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Same old Ad hominems, never can address the issue? and ill still be praying for people like this!!
ok man!!
nice chatting!!
Worry about your own salvation, your lying judging attitude betrays you.
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Same old Ad hominems, never can address the issue? and ill still be praying for people like this!!
ok man!!
nice chatting!!
hmm, I rarely disagree with you Deborah, But I have to here; Disobeying is not a sin, particularly when the “law” is not understood yet, imoEven very small children sin: as soon as they are physically and mentally capable of disobeying their parents, they disobey. And thus they break the fifth commandment.
Nice, imo. Nowhere does scripture say that babies are sinners, that’s pure crapMany people in churches today especially the cultic denominations like the catholic church and the watch tower group think that people are born sinners and not only that but even think they have a sinful nature that they can nether eradicate and that all they can do is just (strive) along and hope for the best and if they sin weather wilfully or unwilfully they can just ask God for forgiveness each time and it will be ok. This is wats been taught in most churches 2day people.
Catholics think that babies are born sinners!! Its why they sprinkle babies with water, if that’s the case den why does jesus say in matthew 18:3 you must become like a little child to enter into heaven, in other words babies are innocent.
How can a baby be a sinner? They barely have the capacity to even think let alone even move and yet their supposed have the understanding of wat sin is. Sin is not innate, its not done on impulse, sin is a choice acted out upon our free will which requires an understanding to begin with.
Sin is a premeditated thing which also has to be thought out, its deciding to or not 2 do something iver way the person doing it has an understanding of wat their doing. Yes we have inherited the carnal nature and incorruptible flesh from our ancestors but that’s not a licence. Sin is a choice, we can always choose to or not to regardless of our canal nature!!
Jesus said to the adulterer (Go and sin no more) john 8:5-11 was he commanding the impossible? Not according 2 deu 30:11 my commandments are not far from you. Not according 2 1 corith 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you that is not (common to man). God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability.
Phil 4:13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Our obligations nether exceed our abilities if so then It would be unfair for God to command something that could nether be achieve.
His wife changed him, he follow her thoughts
He heard a lie, it entered into his ears and went into his heart.Ha, your making a general statement talking about sin, can you narrow it down to what caused sin to enter in. We understand Adam, but what was the cause.
sin implies law, right?Nice, imo. Nowhere does scripture say that babies are sinners, that’s pure crap
If we're all born sinners then u might as well open all the prison gates and let the convicts go FREE!! they can't help it, they were born that way!! #@@%!!! if u was 2 be consistent, somebody will reply with circular reasoning I can assure you!!
If we're all born sinners then u might as well open all the prison gates and let the convicts go FREE!! they can't help it, they were born that way!! #@@%!!! if u was 2 be consistent, somebody will reply with circular reasoning I can assure you!!
hmm, I rarely disagree with you Deborah, But I have to here; Disobeying is not a sin, particularly when the “law” is not understood yet, imo
ah, they didnt?We shall have to disagree, then. For to me, disobedience appears to be the most fundamental sin - the sin of Adam and Eve. And they didn't have a law, either...
Thanks for your reply!Jesus called Peter Satan, which is the Hebrew word phonetically pronounced SAW-TAWN and it means ADVERSARY. Jesus calls Peter an adversary BECAUSE he had IN MIND the things OF MEN, he was carnally minded, like that of a SERPENT, deaf and blind to God's word.
Adam and Eve were created CAPABLE of sinning as they had a human spirit that was not perfect but full of ignorance.
Scripture tells you exactly where sin comes from, the imagination within man's heart.
When mortality was added to the flesh that placed the human spirit in bondage to the flesh where it had to be served now in order to live.
Actually, adam and Eve were created being innocent.
The had not yet eaten of the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
They were niether good nor evil.
---All physically die as a consequence of Adam sinning not because all inherit Adam's sin.We are told that IN Adam all die, Adam brought forth mortality. Adam transgressed when he did not have weak flesh, when weak flesh/mortality and the need to serve the flesh in order to live passed to all men, sin occurred according to different means, out of bondage from a weak body. The Israelites just didn't receive the law, they also received blessing and cursing according to how they kept the law. Certain sins had certain punishments, some of those punishment equated to being put to death, and we read blessings being given equating to a prolonged life. With or without the law however we all die because by Adam's punishment we were made mortal, which means God placed us in bondage where no man could escape, through his own self sin because his flesh was made weak. The very reason why God forgives us of our sins by one man. Think about it, it is by God's Spirit that we have self control, it is one of the mercies, one of the fruits that God gives to man. Likewise there are other fruits, but God only gives these according to measure, except for Jesus, He was the only mortal to receive of the Spirit not by measure, by such he was obedient to God and went to the cross like a lamb without spot or blemish. Man can do nothing of himself, only God is good, for a man to be perfect he must receive the full measure of the Spirit, and by that perfection he is deserving of eternal life. Jesus is our example our proof of the works of God's Spirit unto a man. If we have faith in this operation of God unto Jesus, we are promised to be made perfect, become a joint heir with Christ being an heir of God, having the fullness of His anointing Spirit.
I think we are missing something just focusing on the word sin or sinner here, as if that is the only word that equates to identifying missing God's mark/ going the wrong way, which is what sin means. For instance people who don't have the law are indeed called wicked/evil/bad, they are called that because they are going the wrong way, which is the same thing as being a sinner.
---All physically die as a consequence of Adam sinning not because all inherit Adam's sin.
---I see that all accountable people are under God's law whether they know it or not or like it or not. One transgression of law makes one a sinner.
---Romans 5:19 "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." Some want the first part of this verse to say the many are UNCONDITIONALLY made sinners...which it does not say. Nor does it say many are UNCONDITIONALLY made righteous. Men are conditionally made sinners when they choose to sin as when men conditionally have faith then they are made righteous. If the first part of this verse has all men UNCONDITIONALLY made sinners then the second part has that same all men UNCONDITIONALLY made righteous which would be Universalism.
Thanks for your reply!
Yes, I agree with you.
Peter for example had not yet recieved the Holy Spirit, and therefore being still only "the natural man, satan could not enter him at anytime or any longer.
Even in his denial of Christ three times, we see that he was still of his natural mind.
However, on Pentecost, Peter did recieve the Holy Spirit (born again), and satan could no longer gain entrance because now God the Father and the Son took up permanent residence with in him.
Thanks for your reply!
Yes, I agree with you.
Peter for example had not yet recieved the Holy Spirit, and therefore being still only "the natural man, satan could not enter him at anytime or any longer.
Even in his denial of Christ three times, we see that he was still of his natural mind.
However, on Pentecost, Peter did recieve the Holy Spirit (born again), and satan could no longer gain entrance because now God the Father and the Son took up permanent residence with in him.