Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2

[MostlyConfused]

You claim that one can be saved without being in Christ. That is not scripture as the early church did not teach it.

How does that tie in to the book sealed until the end times, when knowledge will be increased?

 

[Lizbeth]

...and David didn't???

Paul sinned, grievously.....and thankfully repented when He came to Christ. David also sinned grievously and finally repented after God sent a prophet to show him his sin....it woke him up to the REALITY of what he had done. His sin was a lot worse than just getting "mixed up in what he considered to be things of lesser importance" and "not loving Uriah as he ought to". And it wasn't because "he forgot (or never knew) how important a basic human righteousness is". Seriously?? This is all politically correct nonsense.....and Epi trying to frame things to support his doctrines. David succumbed to temptation and no doubt justified himself, like most people when they sin.....that's it and that's all. Praise the Lord that he repented.

 

[Lizbeth]

We need to lower the estrogen levels here. You are not quoting what I said...you are reading it with a propensity for drama.

Did I mention that the churches are WAY too feminized today? Women don't know their place anymore. (That should get the estrogen going)

Your feminist nonsense is just another diversion, your usual ploy to pick a fight when you don't like how things are going for you. And you are following type-cast men in accusing women here of hysteria essentially. "Don't believe those women, nothing to see here." LOL. That's what the disciples thought of the women who came to testify of nothing less than the ressurection of Jesus. God didn't give us eyes to see for nothing. Have a nice day.

P.S. It is your framing of David's sin that is feminized and typical of feminized gospels.

 

[MostlyConfused]

I think too often people will make rules or steps that might in fact work for an individual or a specific group...but doesn't track well over time.

This reminds me of Teresa of Avila, who gave instructions to help people and then much further on said something like, now forget all those instructions because you have reached a place where they won’t help you but will instead hinder you and frustrate grace, a place you do not know and cannot use these crutches in, no matter how much they helped you in the past, because He will begin to take you by a way you do not know and that others cant copiously help you in or help you to progress in because only God can take you now.

She, and others, give pretty strict instructions on how you will know you have neared that place and on NOT trying to somehow work your way into it and that unless you see the signs they give that you are there you must not cease your former labors. But people, being people, always think they are further than they really are.

 

[Lizbeth]

They confuse righteousness with holiness because they don’t understand righteousness is not holiness and that righteous men can (and do) stumble, crash, wreck, fall, become arrogant after blessings. They seem to have in mind that a righteous man cant stumble, (and even BADLY) and get back up.
David has his entire life recorded for our benefit and if any of our lives and every stumble were recorded, we would be so horrified we Couldn’t show our face, let alone condemn David.

That is the problem with political correctness.........it is a spirit that makes people very stupid (spirit of stupor) so that they can't distinguish between a simple statement of fact and condemnation.

 

[MostlyConfused]

Ah I see, her 8 squares are on edge

Yes. Hers look more like side by side ladders…or a circular staircase. Pretty amazing.

 

[ProDeo]

That's your estrogen need of drama talking here. You and the crows here need to be vigourously rebuked for insulting the Spirit of grace.

So that's what holiness looks like?

 

[MostlyConfused]

Well it led me into the kingdom in which I lived for 18 months, then later for a few months. Now not.

Are you certain? I ask because I wondered at first if this place of peace I found myself in was “having arrived” but soon saw and experienced that it’s a second place of instruction and practice, an “in-between” place, for lack of better wording. And the peace is a gift, but it’s still not His face. And it’s okay to rest in that peace (I think He wants you to and that’s why He granted it after your decades long struggle to trust and surrender the prisoner who is keeping you prisoner) but you can never think it is your possession or that you're in a state of sinlessness or He will painfully show you your mistake and all will be lost. The least bit of possessiveness or presumption or trying to take over takes you out of it.

 

[MostlyConfused]

You claim that one can be saved without being in Christ. That is not scripture as the early church did not teach it.

Rahab teaches it.

 

[marks]

But people, being people, always think they are further than they really are.

Do you apply this to yourself? Do you consider it true of epi?

 

[MostlyConfused]

Do you apply this to yourself? Do you consider it true of epi?

I have had to apply it to myself so many times it’s embarrassing.
No, not of episkopos. He went to the Zion above. How much further can you get than the holy city…?

 

[marks]

I have had to apply it to myself so many times it’s embarrassing.
No, not of episkopos. He went to the Zion above. How much further can you get than the holy city…?

Do you apply it to yourself now?

What is it that makes you believe epi went to "Zion"? Because he said so?

I've learned to look at someone's character, the way they act towards others, to show whether they know God or not. But that's just me. Well, actually, that's Bible.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Rahab teaches it.

Rahab in Jericho?

There is a verse that many seem to ignore:

Acts 17:30 LITV
Truly, then, God overlooking the times of ignorance, now strictly commands all men everywhere to repent,

So you see that something changed. Hebrews has a great deal to say about that.

Much love!

 

[MostlyConfused]

Do you apply it to yourself now?

Now? Right this moment? No. I have remained in His peace for 3 whole days without trying to take over.
But we are not talking about where episkopos went. Not the same place. At ALL.

 

[MostlyConfused]

Rahab in Jericho?

There is a verse that many seem to ignore:

Acts 17:30 LITV
Truly, then, God overlooking the times of ignorance, now strictly commands all men everywhere to repent,

So you see that something changed. Hebrews has a great deal to say about that.

Much love!

Have no idea what you’re even trying to say. She protected men that God sent out. As a reward, she was knit into the very genealogy of Jesus/God with us. She became one of them. She turned from the way of her people and to God the moment she protected them.

 

[marks]

Have no idea what you’re even trying to say. She protected men that God sent out. As a reward, she was knit into the very genealogy of Jesus/God with us. She became one of them. She turned from the way of her people and to God the moment she protected them.

The cross changed things. There was a time God overlooked the fact that they had sinned, that they had not offered sacrifice. There is another passage I suggest you study:

Romans 5:10-14 LITV
10) For if while being enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life;
11) and not only so, but also glorying in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we now received the reconciliation.
12) Because of this, even as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death passed to all men, inasmuch as all sinned.
13) For sin was in the world until Law, but sin is not charged where there is no law;
14) but death reigned from Adam until Moses, even on those who had not sinned in the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a type of the coming One.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Now? Right this moment? No. I have remained in His peace for 3 whole days without trying to take over.
But we are not talking about where episkopos went. Not the same place. At ALL.

The point I'm attempting to make is that overgeneralizing isn't accurate.

Much love!

 

[MostlyConfused]

The cross changed things. There was a time God overlooked the fact that they had sinned, that they had not offered sacrifice. There is another passage I suggest you study:

Romans 5:10-14 LITV
10) For if while being enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life;
11) and not only so, but also glorying in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we now received the reconciliation.
12) Because of this, even as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death passed to all men, inasmuch as all sinned.
13) For sin was in the world until Law, but sin is not charged where there is no law;
14) but death reigned from Adam until Moses, even on those who had not sinned in the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a type of the coming One.

Much love!

Once again, no idea what you’re even are trying to say or thinking you are saying. Rahab lived AFTER the law was given.

 

[MostlyConfused]

The point I'm attempting to make is that overgeneralizing isn't accurate.

Much love!

Episkopos is so far from overgeneralizing anything in what he teaches that he is in a different country than the one where overgeneralizing lives!

 

[ProDeo]

You deny Jesus and hate His teaching. But you can't have a salvation that contradicts Jesus. So you are lost.

Speaking on behalf of the apostle Paul ?