Romans 8

[Preacher4Truth]

@CoreIssue, ever become concerned and ask yourself why what you believe and say is in scripture really isn't in Scripture?

 

[SovereignGrace]

most everything you posted was not found in the chapter, but rather in your misguided post. Why is that?

A la Dr. Leighton Flowers in that Romans 9 debate vs Dr. James White.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Well, @CoreIssue got quiet when asked to provide where we loved God and therefore God chose us in the text of Scripture. He cannot, for it is not in Scripture.

To conclude the matter and close the issue, @CoreIssue teaches for his religion and gospel that which is not found anywhere in Scripture.

Not that he's going to recant in light of Scripture, he'll continue to eisegete, many others will go along willingly ignorant, accepting his unbiblical religion.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Well, @CoreIssue got quiet when asked to provide where we loved God and therefore God chose us in the text of Scripture. He cannot, for it is not in Scripture.

To conclude the matter and close the issue, @CoreIssue teaches for his religion and gospel that which is not found anywhere in Scripture.

Not that he's going to recant in light of Scripture, he'll continue to eisegete, many others will go along willingly ignorant, accepting his unbiblical religion.

To be fair to him, he’s not been on here since 12:02 last night, according to his profile.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

To be fair to him, he’s not been on here since 12:02 last night, according to his profile.

He's had ample opportunity to answer this, not only in this thread, but in a few others.

 

[Mjh29]

Challenge Accepted.


Part 1


Romans 8:1 -- There is no condemnation for those who walk after Christ. If a person walks after Christ, it is the result of the Spirit, not of the person themselve


John 3:5-7

John 1:12-13

Genesis 6:5

Genesis 8:21

John 8:44

Ephesians 2:1-2


Romans 8:2 -- The Law of the Spirit of Life has freed, further expounding the point above. The law was to you sin and death, until the Spirit worked in your life. Notice how it does not say the “Law of My Correct Choice.”


Acts 5:31

Acts 11:18

Acts 13:48

Ephesians 2:8-9

Philippians 1:29


Romans 8:3 -- The reason is given here why the law of God is ineffective; the weakness of the flesh. This same weakness prevents man from doing anything morally good without the operation of the Spirit; this includes the mythical “free-will choice”


Job 14:4

Jeremiah 13:23

Matthew 7:16-18

Matthew 12:33

John 6:44

John 6:65


Romans 8:4 -- When the Spirit changes changes the heart of men, they do not walk after the flesh, and begin walking after the Spirit. Again, men in and of themselves cannot bring about this change [see Romans 8:3 verse list]


Romans 8:5 -- Those who are after the flesh cannot pull themselves out of the flesh. It is impossible, because they are drawn to the things of the flesh, and “savor” them. When the Spirit changes the heart of a person, then they walk after the things of the Spirit which changed them.


Philippians 1:29

2 Timothy 2:25-26

Acts 18:27

 

[Mjh29]

Part 2


Romans 8:6 -- The wisdom of the flesh brings nothing but death; this again puts to rest the mythological “Free-will choice”. The flesh produces nothing but death, and cannot please God.


Ephesians 2:1-3

Colossians 2:13

Mark 7:21-23

John 3:19

Romans 8:7-8

1 Corinthians 2:14


Romans 8:7 -- Again we see that there is no salvation in the power of the flesh. The flesh is worthless when it comes to moral transactions. It is against God, and cannot be for Him without the Spirit. There is no amount of “Free will choice” that could save a man, because it is not neutral; it is in enmity against Him.


John 8:44

Ephesians 2:1-2

1 John 3:10

1 John 5:19

John 8:34

Romans 6:20


Romans 8:8 -- Without the Spirit, you cannot please God. The “free-will choice”; that fantasy that we in and of ourselves can please and accept God, is yet again decimated; They cannot please God. Does it please God when a sinner comes to Him? Then they cannot do it in and of themselves


Titus 3:3

Job 15:14-16

Psalm 130:3

Psalm 143:2

Proverbs 20:9

 

[SovereignGrace]

 

[Mjh29]

Part 3


Romans 8:9 -- If the Spirit of God has not changed a man, he cannot claim any of the good things that follow. Yet again we see that this fictional “free-will choice” would do a man no good even if it did exist. If men, of the flesh, try in and of themselves to please God, they will fail.


1 Corinthians 2:14

1 Corinthians 4:7

2 Corinthians 3:5

John 6:44


Romans 8:10 -- Again this passage stresses that of the Spirit comes life. Notice how it does not say that “Of the free-will choice” comes life.


Isaiah 55:11

John 3:27

John 17:2

Romans 9:16

1 Corinthians 3:6-7


Romans 8:11 -- The Spirit will not only quicken our bodies, but as stated previously it will quicken our souls to Him.


Matthew 11:25-27

Luke 10:21

Matthew 13:10-11

Matthew 13:16

1 Corinthians 2:14


Romans 8:12 -- Again we see that this passage celebrates liberation from the flesh, rather than ability through it.


Proverbs 20:9

Ecclesiastes 7:20

Ecclesiastes 7:29

Isaiah 64:6

 

[Dave L]

You just love false doctrine.

Not so, it would be easier to agree with you and let things lay.

 

[Mjh29]

Part 4


Romans 8:13 -- Again, the flesh is condemned. If you trust in the ability of the flesh, you shall die. But, if you trust in the ability of the Spirit, it shall give you life.


Ephesians 1:17-18

John 10:3-6

John 10:16

John 10:26-29


Romans 8:14 -- If you are lead by the Spirit, you know that you are a Son of God. But, if you are lead by the flesh, or lead by and trust in this “free-will choice”, you know that you are not. The flesh breeds nothing but corruption.


[See verses mentioned beforehand]


Romans 8:15 -- Through the Spirit, not through “free will choice”, we cry ‘Abba, Father’.


Romans 9:23-24

1 Corinthians 1:1-2

1 Corinthians 1:9

1 Corinthians 1:23-31


Romans 8:16 -- The Spirit of of God, who changed our hearts and minds, is the same Spirit which will then convince the children of God of their heritage.


Ephesians 4:4

2 Timothy 1:9

Hebrews 9:15

Jude 1

1 Peter 1:15

 

[Mjh29]

Part 5


Romans 8:17-19 -- The entirety of creation will also be restored with the elect.


Romans 8:20 -- The creature is subject to its own will, and the evil within it. The will is and never was [save Adam in the garden] free; it is in bondage to Sin and to Satan. Yet another reason why this fictional “free will choice” cannot exist; because free will does not exist.


John 8:44

Ephesians 2:1-2

2 Timothy 2:25-26

1 John 3:10

1 John 5:19

John 8:34

Romans 6:20


Romans 8:21 -- We do not need to trust in out “free will”, we need to be freed from our sinful will. Yet again Romans 8 shows that the flesh profits nothing, which is includes the will


Romans 3:9-12

James 3:2

James 3:8

1 John 1:8

1 John 1:10


Romans 8:22 -- The flesh brings sin and pain, not salvation and life.


1 Corinthians 2:14

Ephesians 4:17-19

Ephesians 5:8

Titus 1:15


Romans 8:23 -- Even the elect groan about the sins and weakness of the flesh. Those who are in the Spirit truly see the weakness and inability of the flesh; they do not puff it up as the author and finisher of their salvation, but see it as Paul did here; weak and worthy of despise.


Jeremiah 17:9

Mark 7:21-23

John 3:19

1 Corinthians 2:14

 

[Mjh29]

Part 6


Romans 8:24-25 -- We do not put our trust in ourselves, or anything we do, or any “free-will coice”; our hope is in the Spirit and His power, and in Christ Jesus who we cannot see, we will patiently wait for and trust in Him.


John 1:12-13

John 3:3-8

Titus 3:5

1 Peter 1:3

1 Peter 1:23

1 John 5:4


Romans 8:26 -- Even our best prayers are not enough. Even the best attempts of our flesh and “free will” is enough; only intercession by Christ through the Spirit can please God.


Isaiah 55:11

John 3:27

John 17:2

Romans 9:16

1 Corinthians 3:6-7

1 Corinthians 4:7


Romans 8:27 -- The Spirit changes hearts, and only the Spirit can discern it. The Spirit makes request for the Saints; it is the Spirit that intercedes for sinner, not the sinners that intercede for themselves.


1 Corinthians 1:1-2

1 Corinthians 1:9

1 Corinthians 1:23-31

Galatians 1:15-16


Romans 8:28 -- All things are planned before the foundation of the world to work for the ultimate good of them that are the elect of God.


Romans 5:8-10

1 Corinthians 1:7-9

1 Corinthians 10:13

2 Corinthians 4:14

2 Corinthians 4:17

 

[CoreIssue]

most everything you posted was not found in the chapter, but rather in your misguided post. Why is that?

Then explain the chapter and show where I am wrong.

 

[CoreIssue]

Part 5


Romans 8:17-19 -- The entirety of creation will also be restored with the elect.


Romans 8:20 -- The creature is subject to its own will, and the evil within it. The will is and never was [save Adam in the garden] free; it is in bondage to Sin and to Satan. Yet another reason why this fictional “free will choice” cannot exist; because free will does not exist.


John 8:44

Ephesians 2:1-2

2 Timothy 2:25-26

1 John 3:10

1 John 5:19

John 8:34

Romans 6:20


Romans 8:21 -- We do not need to trust in out “free will”, we need to be freed from our sinful will. Yet again Romans 8 shows that the flesh profits nothing, which is includes the will


Romans 3:9-12

James 3:2

James 3:8

1 John 1:8

1 John 1:10


Romans 8:22 -- The flesh brings sin and pain, not salvation and life.


1 Corinthians 2:14

Ephesians 4:17-19

Ephesians 5:8

Titus 1:15


Romans 8:23 -- Even the elect groan about the sins and weakness of the flesh. Those who are in the Spirit truly see the weakness and inability of the flesh; they do not puff it up as the author and finisher of their salvation, but see it as Paul did here; weak and worthy of despise.


Jeremiah 17:9

Mark 7:21-23

John 3:19

1 Corinthians 2:14

The thread is about Romans 8. What does it say.

 

[Mjh29]

The thread is about Romans 8. What does it say.

Yep. And i quoted each verse individually. And explained what they said. I may have quoted a few more verses from the actually passage than in the OP, but still. You asked, and said we could not answer. So I showed that what you were trying to make Romans 8 say was not there. At all.

 

[CoreIssue]

Yep. And i quoted each verse individually. And explained what they said. I may have quoted a few more verses from the actually passage than in the OP, but still. You asked, and said we could not answer. So I showed that what you were trying to make Romans 8 say was not there. At all.

No you did not.

I will deal with that post.

 

[Mjh29]

No you did not.

I will deal with that post.

There's actually 6 and more to come.

 

[CoreIssue]

="Mjh29, post: 542093, member: 7465"]Part 3

Romans 8:9 -- If the Spirit of God has not changed a man, he cannot claim any of the good things that follow. Yet again we see that this fictional “free-will choice” would do a man no good even if it did exist. If men, of the flesh, try in and of themselves to please God, they will fail.

You did not deal with the verse, you attacked freewill.

9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

If born again the Holy Spirit lives in you. If not, do not belong to Christ.
It does not cover salvation.

Romans 8:10 -- Again this passage stresses that of the Spirit comes life. Notice how it does not say that “Of the free-will choice” comes life.

10 But if Christ is in you, even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness.

Again, if you are born again you have life. It does not cover how one gains the Holy Spirit.
Romans 8:11 -- The Spirit will not only quicken our bodies, but as stated previously it will quicken our souls to Him.

11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because o his Spirit who lives in you.

Life comes from being born again.

Romans 8:12 -- Again we see that this passage celebrates liberation from the flesh, rather than ability through it.

Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it.

Personal obligation, not a pre-programmed demand. Freewill.

What about the rest of the chapter? The parts you can't get around?

 

[Mjh29]

Part 7


Romans 8:29-30 -- If God foreknew everyone, then He predestined everyone, and justified everyone, and everyone would be glorified. God only foreknows the elect, and them he calls, justifies, and glorifies. God is the one who predestined the elect to be saved, and be called the sons of God. Salvation is of Him from beginning to end.


Mark 13:20

1 Thessalonians 1:4

2 Thessalonians 2:13

Ephesians 1:4

2 Timothy 1:9


Romans 8:31 -- God is not on everyone’s side; He is against the sinful and unsaved. This is why our “free will choice” means nothing. God is against sinners as much as sinners are against God.


Romans 8:32-39 -- The rest of these passages explain the power of the blood of Christ, and that nothing can separate the elect [which is the ‘us’; not all mankind.] from God.


I have gone through every verse in the chapter of Romans, and found none of what you were trying to make it say.