Anthony D'Arienzo
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Yeah, like your failure to answer on romans5, post488 which you still have ignored. No you are not a seeker, but a time waster.
Romans 8
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I have not seen that post but Romans 5 clearly REFUTES Limited Atonement and Unconditional Election.
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. (v 18)
[ALL MEN CAN BE JUSTIFIED BY GOD AND RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE]
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.(V 19)
[NOT ALL WILL BELIEVE THEREFORE NOT ALL WILL BE MADE RIGHTEOUS]
But Jesus told the pharisees he did not die for them, and that is why they did not believe. (John 10:ff).
Preacher4Truth
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Their heads explode when their traditions get kicked to the curb and they find out God is God.
Preacher4Truth
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You haven't refuted one truth presented you yet, no need to congratulate yourself prematurely. Actually, it is you who have been refuted.
Your misinterpretation above would logically have to be Universalism. That's its only end.
All men will be saved, or, all the world will be saved, which means not just Jews, it means from every tribe and nation. But you don't believe Scripture or use 2 Timothy 2:15, you believe in your Finneyism and the heretic Jacobus Arminius, with a large scoop of Robert Sandeman and Pelagius.
Anthony D'Arienzo
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It looks like you read without comprehension.
It looks like you have not quoted any verse that means what you think it does.
Anthony D'Arienzo
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It is as scripture declares,he cannot seem to welcome any truth at anytime.
He needs to examine himself.2cor13:5
Anthony D'Arienzo
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The thread topic is only Romans 8.
If you want to discuss Romans 5, please start another thread.
Anthony D'Arienzo
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You started that thread and could not answer, now you want to do it with Romans 8? Do you realize inability to comprehend divine truth is a bad sign.
So let's read it very slowly to prove that that verse REFUTES two dominoes of TULIP.
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation (Rom 5:18a). This corresponds to verse 12: Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
What do we learn from this?
1. Adam was told that the day he sinned he would die, because the wages of sin is death.
2. Adam sinned and died spiritually and later died physical.
3. But this one man's sin brought the curse of sin and death upon THE WHOLE HUMAN RACE -- "ALL MEN".
4. The end result of sin is both physical death and eternal separation from God (the second death).
Next we have this truth: even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. (Rom 5:18b)
What do we learn from this?
1. The righteousness of Christ -- the one and only Savior and the last Adam -- was necessary to reverse the curse brought about by Adam.
2. Christ was the only Man who obeyed the Law perfectly.
3. Christ was the only Man who took the curse of the Law upon Himself, since "cursed is everyone that hangs upon a tree" (that tree being the cross).
4. But because Christ was the sinless Lamb of God (without spot and without blemish) He paid the penalty for THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD.
5. As a result, God offers the GIFT of eternal life freely to ALL MANKIND -- "ALL MEN".
6. However, as we know from the next verse not all but "many" are saved, because only those who repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ receive the gift of eternal life.
THEREFORE THIS VERSE TOTALLY REFUTES LIMITED ATONEMENT AND UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION.
So who is the one who does not comprehend the meaning of this verse?
And what happens when one domino falls? They all fall down.
Distraction and the deflection.
This thread is about Romans 8.
Why don't you guys give links to what you're talking about so others can find it?
I don't think you wanted it found, you just want to bloviate.
I hope you realize giving them an avenue to avoid dealing with Romans 8.
Notice they failed to give a link to what they are talking about?
Romans 8 New International Version (NIV)
Life Through the Spirit
8 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set youa]">[a] free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,b]">[b] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.c]">[c] And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.
9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives lifed]">[d] because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because ofe]">[e] his Spirit who lives in you.
12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. 15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship.f]">[f] And by him we cry, “Abba,g]">[g] Father.” 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
Present Suffering and Future Glory
18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 thath]">[h] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.
28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, whoi]">[i] have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
More Than Conquerors
31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:
“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”j]">[j]
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,k]">[k] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Life Through the Spirit
8 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set youa]">[a] free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,b]">[b] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.c]">[c] And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.
9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives lifed]">[d] because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because ofe]">[e] his Spirit who lives in you.
12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. 15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship.f]">[f] And by him we cry, “Abba,g]">[g] Father.” 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
Present Suffering and Future Glory
18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 thath]">[h] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.
28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, whoi]">[i] have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
More Than Conquerors
31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:
“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”j]">[j]
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,k]">[k] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Anthony D'Arienzo
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This shows you have no grasp of truth whatsoever. Watch and learn.
The first all men...
are spiritually dead in Adam....
The second all men..
Are spiritually alive in Christ by new birth
They are born again.
Hint;
Not all who were physically and spiritually dead in Adam (all humanity who are physically born)
Not all are born again...only the elect..got it my spiritually blind friend?
In Adam all die.
In Christ all live.
All men die in Adam
Not all men who were physically born in Adam, are spiritually alive In Christ.
Election makes the difference, you know, the teaching you fight and oppose.
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Anthony D'Arienzo
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Look clown ,you were unable to answer then or now. Look it up you had all week to answer...in fact you cannot answer if you take all year
Everything you post shows your not interested in truth.I think people like you are called Internet trolls.
Waiting on him
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To the OP, since Paul is the writer of the chapter in question,(Romans 8
did Paul love Christ or was he seeking Christ prior to being slapped off his horse?
did Paul love Christ or was he seeking Christ prior to being slapped off his horse?
Preacher4Truth
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Exactly, he plays this game incessantly. He offers false accusations which are baseless, then cannot answer, yet says he has and adds to Scripture. Same thing, different thread.
Preacher4Truth
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Preacher4Truth
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This happens because @Enoch111 and @CoreIssue have thought in their minds what they think the Gospel is, what they think happened, then they read these ideas into Scripture. In other words, they've made up their own gospel and wrest Scripture out of context to support it.
When presented with God in all his glory, and the true Gospel, they are offended.
Take note all: They fight against giving God all the glory, are opposed to it, and their gospel is always pointing to self and their ability. This is the force of all their postings. Note John 6:44; John 1:13; 2 Peter 1:1; 1 Corinthians 1:26-31; John 6:29; John 6:63; John 6:65.
If their gospel had to live outside of themselves, it would die, as they are its only source of existence. It is not found in the pages of Scripture and is parasitic in nature.
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