Russia and Gog: Ukraine Today, Israel Tomorrow?

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Obviously that isn't sufficient at all. Romans 1:19-32 explains why.

Why do you say 'a coming asteroid?
Haven't I posted enough to show that the Lord will use the sun to carry out His vengeance and wrath on His enemies?
Something like a mountain hitting the sea, something similar striking the land. The imagery is right out of the book of the Revelation and either one would be called a planet killer by astrophysicist. Don't you ever watch popular science fiction? Ever see Deep Impact, Armageddon, or the latest "Don't look up." Those films are all secular, but all three have some biblical allusions. The latest has the darkest story line, making corporate greed and control by the wealthy the ultimate cause of destruction, while the first two are more about salvation.
I really enjoy such films, but Hollywood distorts absolutely everything, even the Bible itself.
 

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Obviously that isn't sufficient at all. Romans 1:19-32 explains why.

Why do you say 'a coming asteroid?
Haven't I posted enough to show that the Lord will use the sun to carry out His vengeance and wrath on His enemies?

I used "asteroid" as an example of sensationalistic forecasting of the "end of the world." Some predict a great asteroid, some predict a tremendous EMP, as you do. I just like to watch movies about catastrophes--it's much safer. ;)
 
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Something like a mountain hitting the sea, something similar striking the land. The imagery is right out of the book of the Revelation and either one would be called a planet killer by astrophysicist. Don't you ever watch popular science fiction? Ever see Deep Impact, Armageddon, or the latest "Don't look up." Those films are all secular, but all three have some biblical allusions. The latest has the darkest story line, making corporate greed and control by the wealthy the ultimate cause of destruction, while the first two are more about salvation.
I really enjoy such films, but Hollywood distorts absolutely everything, even the Bible itself.

It's one of my favorites movie genres. My wife and I have watched probably 90% of all of the major disaster films. And yes, the world has an intuition concerning God's judgment, even if they don't openly acknowledge it. It's no surprise to me that many of these disaster films open with people playing with levity on the beaches, getting drunk, and acting like they're about to engage in orgies.

They're setting themselves up for divine judgment. It shows us that the world will get what it deserves.
 
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It's one of my favorites movie genres. My wife and I have watched probably 90% of all of the major disaster films. And yes, the world has an intuition concerning God's judgment, even if they don't openly acknowledge it. It's no surprise to me that many of these disaster films open with people playing with levity on the beaches, getting drunk, and acting like they're about to engage in orgies.

They're setting themselves up for divine judgment. It shows us that the world will get what it deserves.
I feel sorry for the lost, but I get what you mean. Judgment is necessary to put away the rampant violence caused by sin. My alltime favorite dystopian film is " the book of Eli" starring Denzel Washington, a professing Christian with a memory of when he first believed that is pretty common among the born again. His characters are frequently violent, but in the Book of Eli, his character is led by an unheard voice to carry the last copy of the Bible to a place out west where it's really needed. Great film.
 

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I used "asteroid" as an example of sensationalistic forecasting of the "end of the world." Some predict a great asteroid, some predict a tremendous EMP, as you do. I just like to watch movies about catastrophes--it's much safer. ;)
In the movie '2012', all the disasters are caused by a solar flare.
Of course they hype it up, but the huge tsunamis are pretty much as Prophesied;
Amos 9:6, Habakkuk 3:10, Nahum 1:8, Jeremiah 51:55
Caused by the hit of a multi billion ton CME making the earth shudder and shake. The water in the oceans and lakes will slosh from side to side, destroying most inhabited places close to water.

I believe we will experience this terrible event. Best to know about it, don't you think?
 
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I feel sorry for the lost, but I get what you mean. Judgment is necessary to put away the rampant violence caused by sin. My alltime favorite dystopian film is " the book of Eli" starring Denzel Washington, a professing Christian with a memory of when he first believed that is pretty common among the born again. His characters are frequently violent, but in the Book of Eli, his character is led by an unheard voice to carry the last copy of the Bible to a place out west where it's really needed. Great film.

Yes, I love Denzel Washington, and I particularly liked the Book of Eli! Great actor and a great film!

There is a fine line between Disaster Films, Sci-Fis, Thrillers, Dystopian Films, and semi-Horror Films. I don't like anything excessively violent, pornographic, or occultic. If the film majors on the crude parts, I turn it off. If there is only the occasion crude parts, I watch it.

A lot of the movies we have yet to watch are garbage. But we're movie enthusiasts, and hope they continue to make interesting stories, instead of just display raw sex and violence, or the occult.

And I hope their idea of a 4 star movie is not Joe becoming Joy, or something entirely progressive and manipulative. I also thought 2012 was great, War of the Worlds--both versions, San Andreas, etc.

Yea, I'm not anxiously waiting for the ungodly to burn. But it would be nice to see this planet peopled only by those who love the Lord. One day.....
 
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Yes, I love Denzel Washington, and I particularly liked the Book of Eli! Great actor and a great film!

There is a fine line between Disaster Films, Sci-Fis, Thrillers, Dystopian Films, and semi-Horror Films. I don't like anything excessively violent, pornographic, or occultic. If the film majors on the crude parts, I turn it off. If there is only the occasion crude parts, I watch it.

A lot of the movies we have yet to watch are garbage. But we're movie enthusiasts, and hope they continue to make interesting stories, instead of just display raw sex and violence, or the occult.

And I hope their idea of a 4 star movie is not Joe becoming Joy, or something entirely progressive and manipulative. I also thought 2012 was great, War of the Worlds--both versions, San Andreas, etc.

Yea, I'm not anxiously waiting for the ungodly to burn. But it would be nice to see this planet peopled only by those who love the Lord. One day.....
The first time I saw the film Independence day about the UFO invasion of Earth, I was also struck by the biblical imagery of the ships breaking the clouds and the invaders intent to exterminate the human race. "Knowing" was pretty cool with the imagery of wheels within wheels of the craft that came to pick up chosen children before a massive CME. I thought for sure that Keraz would've caught that one.
 

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In the movie '2012', all the disasters are caused by a solar flare.
Of course they hype it up, but the huge tsunamis are pretty much as Prophesied;
Amos 9:6, Habakkuk 3:10, Nahum 1:8, Jeremiah 51:55
Caused by the hit of a multi billion ton CME making the earth shudder and shake. The water in the oceans and lakes will slosh from side to side, destroying most inhabited places close to water.

I believe we will experience this terrible event. Best to know about it, don't you think?

Of course it is. And I think some of these things will happen. I'm just trying to calibrate it to organize this information properly. The message of salvation first. And then the thought of bringing all of the excess to an end.

I'm rejoicing that all of us will get there, and also pleased to not have a bunch of people there that are unworthy. I do think God wants us to focus on judgment in the proper way--not like selling newspapers, but more, like a stern warning to repent now, or else.
 
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The first time I saw the film Independence day about the UFO invasion of Earth, I was also struck by the biblical imagery of the ships breaking the clouds and the invaders intent to exterminate the human race. "Knowing" was pretty cool with the imagery of wheels within wheels of the craft that came to pick up chosen children before a massive CME. I thought for sure that Keraz would've caught that one.

A favorite of mine, as well. Sometimes movies that are done in a less serious way come out perfect. This was like that. I could laugh and yet stay completely engaged.

Yes, from the start, I knew Keraz had likely seen a number of these kinds of films. I've certainly seen them! :)
 
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Yes, from the start, I knew Keraz had likely seen a number of these kinds of films.
Actually; not many. Very few Hollywood movies interest me.
But I do read a lot. Here is part of one:

Excerpts from a novel - Solar Flare, by Larry Burkett. Published 1995

The solar winds striking earth carried billions of tons of supercharged electrical particles. The sheer mass of this flare ripped through the magnetic shield that normally protected Earth, bending and displacing the magnetosphere until it collapsed.

At ground level where the force field was more protective, the consequences of this flare were delayed but not avoided. The first to go were the power grids. As the charged particles hit the power lines, the surge of electricity tripped the breakers off line. Inside the power stations themselves, operators worked frantically to get the grids back on line, but their electronic monitors flashed and burnt as the massive overload destroyed all electronic devices in its path.

Perhaps the flare in 1856 was of a similar magnitude, but then there was not anywhere the same amount of electrical equipment around. This time, generators burned out, transformers exploded, radio and television station transmitters flashed and burned. Domestic appliances, anything plugged into the supply grid, were destroyed with a smell of acrid smoke. Vehicle electronics were disabled, making most modern cars useless.

The scene from space would have appeared like a planet dying, as the lights flashed then went out, across the world, as the earth rotated to face the sun.
The city was in ruins. It was like a scene from Beirut in the seventies. Torched and abandoned vehicles were still smoking. Many buildings were burned out, and shops smashed and looted. Armed individuals and groups roamed the streets, making it very difficult for those holed up in their homes to escape to the countryside.

It was a unique event in history. Man had transformed the planet into an industrialized society, with modern communications, transport and conveniences and now, in a span of little more than a week, all that was just history. Electricity, perhaps mans greatest tool, was destroyed on planet earth and along with it mankind’s modern way of life.

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The Lord will use this means of judgement to destroy His enemies and to bring mankind to a place where everyone must recognize His omnipotence, although not all will give Him due reverence. His enemies, will be that alliance of nations and entities, who – at the moment of their attack against Israel – will be mostly wiped out by this Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath – His Judgement of fire from the sun. Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12

Prophecies describing a Coronal Mass Ejection - Isaiah 30:26-30, Isaiah 66:15-17, Hebrews 10:27, Isaiah 29:5-6, Malachi 4:1, Deuteronomy 32:41-43, Psalms 50:1-6, Psalms 144:5-6.

Prophecies against the attacking nations - Note in Psalm 144:7-8 Rescue me from the power of aliens, whose every word is worthless, every oath is false. The Islamic code of Al Takayya, means they can use any means of deceit against non Muslims. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zechariah 12:1-9, Isaiah 33:10-12, Zephaniah 2:4-7.....at midday, Gaza will be destroyed.

But the Lord’s faithful Christian people have these promises -
Isaiah 30:26...on that Day, I shall save My people.

Ezekiel 28:25-26 When I execute Judgement on all of Israel’s scornful neighbors, then My people, gathered from the nations, will live in the Land, undisturbed.

Isaiah 63:4 I resolved on a Day of vengeance; the year for redeeming My own had come.

Isaiah 52:6-12 On that Day, My people will know My Name....Go out, leave Babylon, keep yourselves pure, the Lord will guard and guide you. [into the holy Land, Isaiah 35:1-10]
 
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In the movie '2012', all the disasters are caused by a solar flare.
Of course they hype it up, but the huge tsunamis are pretty much as Prophesied;
Amos 9:6, Habakkuk 3:10, Nahum 1:8, Jeremiah 51:55
Caused by the hit of a multi billion ton CME making the earth shudder and shake. The water in the oceans and lakes will slosh from side to side, destroying most inhabited places close to water.

I believe we will experience this terrible event. Best to know about it, don't you think?
I've posited a similar hypothesis in that the high energy particles emitted by the sun are mostly cations (positively charged elelemental particles stripped of some or all electrons). As they spiral into the poles this represents a massive electrical charge that the Earth would have to "sink" by releasing up free electrons and generating a huge current flow, like lightning, but on a massive scale. Such current flow generates a magnetic field of its own. That's how electric motors and generators work. They produce rotational torqued and can interfere with the earth's magnetic field.

During the first close fly by of the planet Jupiter, the craft (I think it was a voyager) detected an actual electric current passing between the poles of Jupiter and one of its moons. That moon displayed evidence of powerful volcanic activity, most likely the result of that constant electrical current.

The planets are much further from the sun than Jupiter's moons are from Jupiter, but that doesn't exclude electrical current flow of some finite magnitude caused by the reaction between solar wind and the planets.

Solar flares increase that potential current flow and CMEs are massive flares with solar plasma at high enough velocity to escape the Sun's gravitational field (rotational plasma in the sun's convective cells acts something like a particle accelerator because of the magnetic fields they generate.) This increases potential current flow.

The Earth's magma, molten rock, would also tend to have ionized elemental particles because of the tremendous heat, but the earth itself supplies electrons to sink possible currents. However, the coreolus effect may cause regions of rotating magma (which also moves towards the surface convectively) generating magnetic anomalies and massive electrical current flow.

There does seem to be a correlation between sun spot cycles and geothermal activity supporting the idea of current flow over great distances. These hypotheses are difficult to confirm and I'm not sure that we're even exploring the possibility, though we did launch another solar probe within the last few years.

NASA had a web page for the general public called "ask NASA" and I posited a number of hypotheses to them over the course of a year or two, but didn't receive a single answer in response. Then the site just shut down.

Such things just stimulate my imagination in regard to government conspiracy.

There's been some evidence that "global warming " is actually happening across the solar system and is related to solar activity, but it doesn't support the "man made" contribution to global warming of the public narrative.

The reality is that our governments know that oil is a dwindling resource and our economies have to become independent of its use or face total disruption when the supply is effectively gone, but the oil industry itself is a huge and powerful part of the economy that wants to squeeze as much profit out of the population as possible before switching to other energy sources, so we have opposing narratives about our ecology and most people ignore the influence of God, being practical atheists or deists. Eg: "I believe in God but He doesn't influence the natural world," has become common thinking even among Christians.
 
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Thanks for all of your comments. As far as Russia being "Magog" just look at any map of the world. Spot Israel, and then head straight north. You will run right into Moscow!

The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, turn your face toward Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. Prophesy against him 3 and say: This is what the Lord God says: Look, I am against you, Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws, and bring you out with all your army, including horses and riders, who are all splendidly dressed, a huge company armed with shields and bucklers, all of them brandishing swords. 5 Persia, Cush, and Put are with them, all of them with shields and helmets; 6 Gomer with all its troops; and Beth-togarmah from the remotest parts of the north along with all its troops—many peoples are with you. (Ezekiel 38)
 
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A critical sign pointing to the Rapture is the invasion of Israel, which begins World War 3.

The Rapture is a signless event, meaning that there is nothing that needs to happen before the Rapture occurs. The Rapture is imminent. The invasion of Isreal by Gog and Magog and the rest of the coalition (Eze 38-39) could happen before the Rapture or after the Rapture. As to whether it is world war III, I say no, as it is a regional war and will be over quite quickly once God Himself comes to Israel's aid.
 

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Just another somewhat dark thought and thing to watch for in the current crisis. While I tend to think of "military intelligence " as an oxy moron, if the crisis isn't just a show for the general population to distract from problems out of our control and get our focus on a "fake " crisis aimed at legitimizing a restoration of territories under the dominion of "powers", the most sound tactical plan for actual warfare, would be a withdrawal of defensive forces when the invading force is at full strength, and deployment of "tactical " nukes to obliterate those invading forces, destroying entire armies and equipment.

In military thinking, this minimizes "collateral damage" to specific regions, but would likely lead to large scale retaliation. Consequently such a tactic would require a broader attack on the invaders military structure.

The military mind typically sees this as acceptable loss even when large civilian casualties are part of that loss. The goal of military tactics is to "win." This is partly why "nuclear yields" have been greatly scaled back from our cold war weapons.
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The older warheads assured mutual destruction because of their tremendous destructive force. Now it would take about 4 or 5 tactical nukes to turn the island of Manhattan into a sheet of glass, instead of just 1 (which would extend the damage outside the immediate environs of the city.)
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Our modern arsenal is designed for use, not as a deterent, but the sheer number of weapons held by the superpowers is still more than enough to leave the Earth a wasteland if fully deployed.

I'm reasonably sure that the "superpowers " recognize this fact, but use the threat for geopolitical advantage, making "back room" deals to transfer power and authority, This is aligned with the notion that the heavenly host is involved in some manner with governing territories.

The thing is, even such powers can only maneuver people according to our unregenerate nature. They can not influence the Holy Spirit.
I really hope that the church recognizes this, but you don't have to understand the root of the problem in order to address the visible portion of it through prayer. God knows even when we don't.
 
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What would it matter if the State that they call Israel was to cease to exist ?

Why do people look to this so called State ?

The only people who peddle the so called State of Israel are Carnal people who are not truly born again !

One must be void of the Holy Spirit to look to that State for anything.

Why would one who has the Holy Spirit look to any Godless bastards for anything, they are dupes !

Why would one who is truly Saved be looking forward to the Rapture ? If one is truly Saved then one is with God now regardless.

The invasion of the State of Israel ? it just would not happen, not even Russia would bother with such, Why would they be bothered.
It's only Islam that would take on that State, because it's their Land !
Ask any Islamic person, whose Land is it ?
Does Russia want that Land ? No !

My Dad a Jew sure as hell did not want to live in that State, said it was a total s hole, not to mention hated the Islamic people all around their, saying they were all nuts ! He went their in the 50's and 60's and I never heard anyone claim what a wonderful place to live or to bring up a family.

Is the Ukraine worth a blood bath that would take place ? No ! not at all, such would be totally stupid. If Biden wants to keep war mongering on Ukraine, he will end up with egg on his face and the blood bath will be directly on him.
Let the Ukraine PM deal and control the issue not the USA President Biden, the pathetic fool take control with his mates Soros ect Jews and there Nazi dupes.

The Nazis in the Ukraine are just as much lap dogs to the Jews as it was in Germany under Hitler. The Zionist Jews controlled Hitler and they are controlling Ukraine's Nazis with the same BS tactics to dupe them into fighting their wars for them, that's how devils work. They get others to do their dirty work and the story does not matter in whatever situation you want to look at.
The Satanist are Masters in controlling idiots. not to mention anyone who is not truly born again is a idiot in fact. because their are under delusions and deceptions of this world.

When I became a Tradesman I came across the workings of devils all the time, such was in my fact 24/7 always some trash trying to do the wrong thing by you. My Dad was a Tradesman and did I ever see anyone outside of family look out for him or help him up, Never ! They only used and abused him full on and boy did he cop it ! The Devils sure did not like it if you stuck up for yourself. They wanted you as there nigger slave boy and that all. That's how the system worked. They demanded you work 7 days a week and played you just for a joke only to watch you dance to their tune. I know how they think and seen them laugh using good hard working people for a Joke and they were lazy with nothing better to do than play stupid games because that's is what it all becomes to such as them, regardless be it political powers they will abuse their position to walk over fools.
So one has to be on the ball to call them out and try and keep them honest.
 

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What would it matter if the State that they call Israel was to cease to exist ?

It's an invisible reality, not apparent to all. Many are fighting an invisible war. Whatever God has promised by His Word is the thing that Satan automatically opposes. He challenges every word of God if it affects him. He does not recognize God's authority over his life. And so, if God has promised an Israel, then Satan sees that as an imposition of God upon a world that he is trying to supervise as its god.

Why do people look to this so called State ?
The only people who peddle the so called State of Israel are Carnal people who are not truly born again !

That's pretty rude, since it is obviously not true. Many true born again Christians support Israel precisely because they wish to give testimony to what God is going to do with Israel.

One must be void of the Holy Spirit to look to that State for anything.

Why would one who has the Holy Spirit look to any Godless bastards for anything, they are dupes !

The use of words like "bastards" I wouldn't judge you for. But in this context it betrays a certain judgmentalism that is not in character with being a good, practicing Christian. So while you judge other Christians as illegitimate, you are yourself presenting an inconsistent Christian witness.

Why would one who is truly Saved be looking forward to the Rapture ? If one is truly Saved then one is with God now regardless.

Why wouldn't you or any other Christian look forward to the Rapture, or whatever term you wish to use for it? It represents the event at which time faithful Christians will be rewarded with new immortal bodies! Their life's problems will then be at an end. This is the hope we are looking for! I'm not sure, at this point, what your own hope is?

The invasion of the State of Israel ? it just would not happen, not even Russia would bother with such, Why would they be bothered.
It's only Islam that would take on that State, because it's their Land !
Ask any Islamic person, whose Land is it ?
Does Russia want that Land ? No !

Again, it is an invisible war. And among European powers Russia has been the first to completely apostacize by turning to atheistic Communism. And so, they've adopted, as a State, the wrong side, and like Satan, oppose anything that God is for. They oppose Christianity as well as the Jewish State. And despite the fact the Jewish State does not yet exemplify God's People, it does represent God's love and grace, and His determination to fulfill their hope.

Muslims are Middle Eastern adversaries of both Christians and Jews as well, because their religion was one of the 1st great antichrists in history. They probably don't even know why they feel so threatened by a tiny Jewish State?

My Dad a Jew sure as hell did not want to live in that State, said it was a total s hole, not to mention hated the Islamic people all around their, saying they were all nuts ! He went their in the 50's and 60's and I never heard anyone claim what a wonderful place to live or to bring up a family.

Oh boy--another Jew hates his own! And yes, even though it's your father who's Jewish, and not your Mom, I still see you as ethnically Jewish. You should support Jews who God has promised will one day be vindicated as God's People. It is important because it is God's model of grace for the whole world.

Is the Ukraine worth a blood bath that would take place ? No ! not at all, such would be totally stupid. If Biden wants to keep war mongering on Ukraine, he will end up with egg on his face and the blood bath will be directly on him.
Let the Ukraine PM deal and control the issue not the USA President Biden, the pathetic fool take control with his mates Soros ect Jews and there Nazi dupes.

Jews of course are going to be involved in what some call "conspiracies," if only because Christian politics has been a terrible experience for them in history. However, it's not just the Jews. It's also liberal Democrats in the US! Yes.

I partly agree with Tucker Carlson and partly not. He's right that we don't need to commit to defending Ukraine. But on the other hand, our intention to protect NATO countries should be a big part of this, as well as a rejection of trade and energy agreements with adventurous states.
 

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It's an invisible reality, not apparent to all. Many are fighting an invisible war. Whatever God has promised by His Word is the thing that Satan automatically opposes. He challenges every word of God if it affects him. He does not recognize God's authority over his life. And so, if God has promised an Israel, then Satan sees that as an imposition of God upon a world that he is trying to supervise as its god.



That's pretty rude, since it is obviously not true. Many true born again Christians support Israel precisely because they wish to give testimony to what God is going to do with Israel.



The use of words like "bastards" I wouldn't judge you for. But in this context it betrays a certain judgmentalism that is not in character with being a good, practicing Christian. So while you judge other Christians as illegitimate, you are yourself presenting an inconsistent Christian witness.



Why wouldn't you or any other Christian look forward to the Rapture, or whatever term you wish to use for it? It represents the event at which time faithful Christians will be rewarded with new immortal bodies! Their life's problems will then be at an end. This is the hope we are looking for! I'm not sure, at this point, what your own hope is?



Again, it is an invisible war. And among European powers Russia has been the first to completely apostacize by turning to atheistic Communism. And so, they've adopted, as a State, the wrong side, and like Satan, oppose anything that God is for. They oppose Christianity as well as the Jewish State. And despite the fact the Jewish State does not yet exemplify God's People, it does represent God's love and grace, and His determination to fulfill their hope.

Muslims are Middle Eastern adversaries of both Christians and Jews as well, because their religion was one of the 1st great antichrists in history. They probably don't even know why they feel so threatened by a tiny Jewish State?



Oh boy--another Jew hates his own! And yes, even though it's your father who's Jewish, and not your Mom, I still see you as ethnically Jewish. You should support Jews who God has promised will one day be vindicated as God's People. It is important because it is God's model of grace for the whole world.



Jews of course are going to be involved in what some call "conspiracies," if only because Christian politics has been a terrible experience for them in history. However, it's not just the Jews. It's also liberal Democrats in the US! Yes.

I partly agree with Tucker Carlson and partly not. He's right that we don't need to commit to defending Ukraine. But on the other hand, our intention to protect NATO countries should be a big part of this, as well as a rejection of trade and energy agreements with adventurous states.
1 The Struggle is what it's called, to a Truly born again Christian.

2 No truly born again Christian supports the State that claims to be Israel at all. why is that ? well it's because a truly born again Christian knows that they themselves are Israel ! The most devout and educated Jews who live the OT reject that the State is in fact Israel, did you not know that fact ? not to mention I have respect for them, being worthy of the OT.
The Jew who claims to be a Jew and does not respect the OT are not worthy, but they have been bastardised by the works of the Talmud whore in fact, so they can not see who Moses truly is, they have had the wool pulled over their eyes, just like back in the days of all the Jews who rejected Jesus ?
Remember not all of the Jews were lead astray as some were worthy of Moses and they had faith in Jesus.

3 A bastard is Biblical fact ! Fatherless ? Lacking God !

4 The rapture ? another bastardised degenerate word for the topic, but the point being that such idiots have no hope ? because they are not Truly born again and that's why they become like moths to the flame ? The point of Christianity is not the rapture, it's that one becomes born again ! once one is born again you are saved ? get it ! we are not looking for the rapture, because we are Saved and that's the whole point of becoming a Christian in fact. it's not the rapture ! that's like wishing for Hitler to come and cause hellfire ! but ok in the end who survives will be born again, well they will have no other avenue ! everything will be burnt up, the delusions and deceptions of this world will be exposed to all and it will be a hard task to live in them days to just survive. Now who wants to do it the hard way ? that's the hard way, of fools ! But they are the ones who kick against the pricks ? understand ! it does not have to be that way, you can put on the Yoke ! now this path is the easy way. The Kingdom of God.
But Goats will be Goats.

6 and 7 well the Satanic Jews created all Communism and Islam in fact.

8 Nothing to do with hate, my dad did not hate the Jews he loved them for many reasons but also understood that there are bad Jews as well, most Jews say the same. not to mention I point many Australians out as bastards as well, because they are in fact just that, it's the same in any Nation or race. Maybe a Nazi would not say anything against their own ? because they are all brainwashed idiots.
So when one bags their own such is just healthy criticism ! but under communism Nazis such is forbidden !

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2 No truly born again Christian supports the State that claims to be Israel at all. why is that ? well it's because a truly born again Christian knows that they themselves are Israel !

I don't subscribe to this theology. I accept the State of Israel just as I would accept any other State on the map. People are free to adopt whatever political system they choose to live under. It is my job to accept that reality, whether it is my favorite place or not.

The most devout and educated Jews who live the OT reject that the State is in fact Israel, did you not know that fact ? not to mention I have respect for them, being worthy of the OT.

As I said, you seem like yet another Jew who hates his own! The Orthodox tend to favor the State, if I'm not mistaken. More liberal Jews have an assortment of ideas. Idealistic Jews may reject anything short of that which the Messiah brings when he comes. To be fair, I don't believe Jews actually hate their own simply because they disagree with the Jewish State as it presently is. But it seems awfully naïve to oppose a State that exists to protect Jews from holocausts and pogroms.

3 A bastard is Biblical fact ! Fatherless ? Lacking God !

Yes, and we know a "bitch" is a female dog! ;) A term of insult by any other name is still a..............

4 The rapture ? another bastardised degenerate word for the topic, but the point being that such idiots have no hope ?

"Idiots" is another term of ridicule, unless it is truly deserved. In this context, I don't think the term is justified. I wish you would be a little more generous in how you characterize others?

because they are not Truly born again and that's why they become like moths to the flame ? The point of Christianity is not the rapture, it's that one becomes born again ! once one is born again you are saved ? get it ! we are not looking for the rapture, because we are Saved and that's the whole point of becoming a Christian in fact.

No, I'll stick with my statement. It isn't an either/or proposition. It's both! When you're saved you anxiously await the Rapture, however you want to describe it. It is the thing for which we work.

But Goats will be Goats.

I agree. But even goats can be cute. We have to make sure we don't write people off before we show them God's love. If then they reject that love, then we can just turn them over to God's judgment, and leave them alone.

6 and 7 well the Satanic Jews created all Communism and Islam in fact.

Bad characterization. Even though Marx was a Jew, that doesn't mean "the Jews," as a group conspired to create Communism. And even if the Jews influenced Mohammad, that doesn't mean the Jews "as a group," conspired to create Islam. Mohammad borrowed from both Christian and Jewish practices to formulate his own sense of a more advanced religion.

8 Nothing to do with hate, my dad did not hate the Jews he loved them for many reasons but also understood that there are bad Jews as well, most Jews say the same.

Yes, just like any other group. But I wouldn't describe the British as "bastards" and "idiots" in hopes of reaching them for Christ! Nor should we view the Jews, who are a race and a religion combined, be treated as unreachable.

Paul clearly said a small set of Jews would always be open for evangelism. We should testify to the truth in front of all Jews, and expect only some to respond. As to making a Jewish State that is Christian that has to be left for Christ when he comes.

I'm not saying that all you say is wrong. It just lacks a kind Christian spirit. And this could present an obstacle in reaching out to various people groups. Tell them the truth, but keep the door open.
 

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Randy, I support the State and the people to live their and the reason they made the State to save the Jews from such as what happened to the 6 million and on other points as well. on such issues everyone is fine with. but ? to claim such is Israel is blasphemy in fact ! it would be good if it was Israel, in fact I would not mind to do live is such a place as OT real Israel without the ones who killed all of Gods people ? That's explained in the Vineyard story ? and many other Biblical points if you want me to point them out for you. so in fact we can see a Mob working to undermine True Israel, this is expressed all through the Bible. The ones who crept in unawares ! the Golden Calf ! the Point that Stephen made to them all, that they were lead astray and then they killed him ? what does Jesus say of them ? who are they ? well them lot are not worthy of God ! because Jesus said who their Father was and that they were murders from the beginning ? get it ?? I pray for you.

People who are not worthy of Israel are not of Gods people.

All them Jews who were being mislead were not worthy of God, only Jesus disciples were worthy of the Name Israel because they are worthy of God.

Now if one understands the works of such people as they who worked against God, who killed all of Gods prophets and every other story that has the same ends ?
So now do you see what we are up against in all such ? now as to the 6 million, this was the same people that Jesus warned us about. It was they who created the whole thing, because they are as Jesus pointed out.

Such people have the ends to undermine all people regardless but for real Christians who are truly born again. for such as we know their workings.
 

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Russian President Putin is prepared to invade Ukraine. Is Israel next?
No, Israel is not next. There are Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia which are a lot closer and a lot easier to gobble up. However, there will come a time when Gog will lead Magog and many other nations to attack Israel.