Brakelite
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But? What do you mean, but? Is it a bad thing that God made the Sabbath for man? Why did God do that, making the Sabbath for man?But the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath
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But? What do you mean, but? Is it a bad thing that God made the Sabbath for man? Why did God do that, making the Sabbath for man?But the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath
I think I've answered that as best I can but the question doesn't really make sense to me any more than "what does American Christianity look like?"Modern Jewish-Christians....I believe it is a misnomer.
So my questions are about if you believe it exists? And if so....how? What does it look like in motion?
I think I've answered that as best I can but the question doesn't really make sense to me any more than "what does American Christianity look like?"
Errr. No. It's a very good thing. Why?But? What do you mean, but? Is it a bad thing that God made the Sabbath for man? Why did God do that, making the Sabbath for man?
ceremonial? Can you explain that please?but the Jewish ceremonial sabbath
Okay. If it's such a good thing why are so many ignoring it, or deliberately casting it aside in favor of a day dedicated to a sun god?Errr. No. It's a very good thing. Why?
Interesting. Yet in Revelation Christians are described as keeping God commandments. Revelation 12:17;14:12...but a Gentile believer does not have to adopt the Jewish ceremonies and ways in order to be an authentic Christian (this is a strong message in Acts). Those elders in Jerusalem in Acts 21 were seriously misled. Look indeed what happened next; Paul did not even get to finish his offering in the temple before events took their course which showed just how vast was the difference between the lawkeepers and Paul as a pilgrim believer in Christ under grace.
(Here's a good quote: )
As far as lawkeeping and Sabbath-keeping and even the outwardly correct form of a past system are concerned, I belong with the carcasses of dead animals good only to be burned on the trash heap, out of sight and out of mind.
I would again emphasize that I belong with the carcasses of dead animals good only to be burned on the trash heap, out of sight and out of mind.
This is where the Lord Jesus is.
"For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name." (Hebrews 13.11-15)
So only Israelites were required not to steal?The Ten Commandments were given to the Israelites, not to us.
I don't know. You'll need to ask them that.Okay. If it's such a good thing why are so many ignoring it, or deliberately casting it aside in favor of a day dedicated to a sun god?
Is it possible to steal and love your neighbour?So only Israelites were required not to steal?
FWIW.....farouk is correct.....the Sabbath was not incumbent upon Christians. It was part of the Law given to Israel exclusively, so it was never required of the Gentiles who became disciples of Christ. Jesus and all the first Christians were Jewish, and required under the law to keep Sabbath. It is important to remember that Jesus was Jewish....he was not a Christian....but a Gentile believer does not have to adopt the Jewish ceremonies and ways in order to be an authentic Christian (this is a strong message in Acts).
If we call the Sabbath Jewish we must call Marriage Jewish as well because they were both instituted in Eden.FWIW.....farouk is correct.....the Sabbath was not incumbent upon Christians. It was part of the Law given to Israel exclusively, so it was never required of the Gentiles who became disciples of Christ. Jesus and all the first Christians were Jewish, and required under the law to keep Sabbath. It is important to remember that Jesus was Jewish....he was not a Christian.
Christ's death ended the Law (Romans 10:4) and introduced a new covenant with different rules to the old one. Jeremiah prophesied about it.....
“Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will make with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant. 32 It will not be like the covenant that I made with their forefathers on the day I took hold of their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, ‘my covenant that they broke, although I was their true master,’ declares Jehovah.”
33 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares Jehovah. “I will put my law within them, and in their heart I will write it. And I will become their God, and they will become my people.” (Jeremiah 31:31-33)
Deuteronomy 5:15....
"Remember that you became a slave in the land of Egypt and that Jehovah your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. That is why Jehovah your God commanded you to observe the Sabbath day."
That the Sabbath was not enjoined upon any of God’s servants until after the Exodus is evident from the testimony of Deuteronomy 5:2, 3 and Exodus 31:16, 17: “It was not with our forefathers that Jehovah concluded this covenant, but with us.” “The sons of Israel must keep the sabbath . . . during their generations. . . . Between me and the sons of Israel it is a sign to time indefinite.” If Israel had already been observing the Sabbath, it could not have served as a reminder of their deliverance from Egypt.
So unless you are Jewish and consider the old covenant to still be in force, there is no command to keep Sabbath for Christ's disciples.
When issues arose over the Jewish Christians wanting the Gentile brothers to be circumcised, it was creating dissension in the congregations, so it was taken to the elders in Jerusalem to give a final verdict. After much discussion of the scriptures and prayerful consideration in holy spirit, this was the admonition given to all the congregations....
Acts 15:28-29...
"For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”
What was missing from these "necessary things"...? Circumcision and Sabbath keeping. These were not requirements for Christians. Even Jewish Christians were no longer required to adhere to these Jewish Laws.....they could still observe them if they wished....but they were not to impose them on others or to judge them.
It is the scriptures that call the Sabbath “Jewish”.If we call the Sabbath Jewish we must call Marriage Jewish as well because they were both instituted in Eden.
That makes no sense at all. Marriage has slowly gone out the window since the sexual revolution of the sixties. Why bother getting hitched when you can have what you want without it. No one wants to live by God’s rules anymore. They see them as restrictive and outdated. Commitment has all but disappeared as well. If it doesn’t work, you don’t fix it....you throw it away and get a new one.Having the Law done away with in the sense of disregarding the Commandments because they are deemed Jewish is probably why the secular world cares less and less about marriage. 'Christians' set the precedent by their rumbustious claims of liberty from law.
God has already had his say....but who is listening?I wonder whether God will have something to say about those claims?
By that measure we can nullify marriage as well.The Law covenant was made only with the nation of Israel. Who had knowledge of the things written in the Genesis creation account, because it was penned by Moses.....after the liberation from Egypt.
God has yet to have his say, you can be assured of that....and who is listening? ...There are 7000 over the hill that have not bowed their knee to Baal.God has already had his say....but who is listening?
What has the Sabbath law got to do with marriage?By that measure we can nullify marriage as well.
That is just a bit too cryptic for me....sorry.God has yet to have his say, you can be assured of that....and who is listening? ...There are 7000 over the hill that have not bowed their knee to Baal.
1...Both were implemented in Eden, both were reinforced by Moses.What has the Sabbath law got to do with marriage?
That is just a bit too cryptic for me....sorry.
FYI That is the only thing I disagree with in everything you've written here so far.What I post is my opinion only
Saturday 12-25-21 Tevet 20, 5782 7th. day of the weekly cycle, 5th. Winter Day
I Posted this 6-11-19
Is there anyone that keeps The Sabbath Day Holy, from Sunset on the 6th.Day/Friday until The ending of The 7th. Day at Sunset, on Saturday by The Gregorian Calendar.
LOL, Walter and Debbie
LOL....I know my Bible....I just don’t understand you some of the time....1...Both were implemented in Eden, both were reinforced by Moses.
2...I thought you said you knew your bible?
Do me a solid and just pop into this thread real quick and let them know that this is possible....and if you think it does....you are severed from Christ and have fallen from grace.