Sabbath-Keeping

[Phoneman777]

The SDA has a problem with what the RCC has done here as well. So, don't you find it strange that the SDA will still use the RCC calendar to find their sabbath every week? They don't even know when the sabbath is. I find that rather hypocritical for a church to know so little about the sabbath when their very name claims that they know all about it. They do not honor the sabbath as they claim, because they can't even find it.
Zeke25

Zeke, SDAs keep the same weekly Sabbath that the Jews keep, the determination of which has nothing to do with the Julian calendar. Please stop spreading misinformation about SDAs.

 

[mjrhealth]

I wish this would end but the wheel goes round and rund no one wants to get off.

Rom_8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

In all His Love, if you might find it one day.

 

[Phoneman777]

Thought so.

Brother, it's nothing personal, but what's the point, seeing that we can't find common ground on things like the origin of the Sabbath, whether sin and the law are intrinsically tied, or whether "breaking commandments" is or is not the same as "acting contrary to them?

 

[zeke25]

It is so complicated. I am a simple Christian, and I don't understand organizational teachings and doctrines what to
follow. I do not want to be part of organizational churches.

We will be judged according to what we have done. We just do what convict us to believe.

God is seeking into our heart if we are sincere in our faith.

As for me, I focus on what Jesus teaches directly.

blessings.

Good idea Joyful,

You don't need the teachings of church businesses, you need your Bible, the Holy Ghost, and prayer. Understanding a particular denomination's theology can help one avoid being caught in a mindtrap. But you can also avoid that mindtrap by staying away from them. That's what the SDA has tried to make this thread all about. They are trolling for trogs, don't be a trog.

For months Uppsala, MJR, myself and others have totally destroyed the SDA theology with Scriptures. But they don't care. They just keep putting their head down in their own mire and push and push and push hoping to snag another trog.

Zeke25

 

[Phoneman777]

It is so complicated. I am a simple Christian, and I don't understand organizational teachings and doctrines what to
follow. I do not want to be part of organizational churches.

We will be judged according to what we have done. We just do what convict us to believe.

God is seeking into our heart if we are sincere in our faith.

As for me, I focus on what Jesus teaches directly.

blessings.

Joyful, please don't be disallusioned with the confusion that abounds with the many varying teachings found in Christianity. We should expect that Satan would target the church regarding this very issue because he knows that true doctrine is a defense against his many "doctrines of devils" - his most effective weapons in his arsenal used to attack and destroy eternally as many souls as he possibly can. Remember, Paul said that we are "despise not prophesyings, prove all things".

Some claim the commandment for weekly Sabbath rest has been done away with, but ask yourself one question before accepting this "irrefutable" fact: If Christians are not at liberty to break any of the other nine commandments, then what is causing so many to argue that we are at liberty to forget the one commandment which begins with the word "Remember"? It is my belief that the most common reason is the failure to exchange their "love for sin" for "love for Jesus", because Jesus Himself said, "If ye love Me, keep My commandments". The satanic vitriol against those who support Sabbath keeping which accompanies their equally satanic disdain for God's Law exposes them for who they truly are, whether they realize it or not. Keep studying and seeking truth for God will surely bless you and all who do so.

 

[Joyful]

Phoneman,

You seem to be SDA and I respect your denomination as one of godly demonization with their fruit in over all. They seem to be striving to be faithful with their action. God will honor everyone who strive to be faithful to Jesus.

But some of the practice I think your organization is compromising which I will not get into.

I found all organization have dogmas. That's why I don't join any organization or denomination. Jesus says come out of Babylon. I think what Jesus is saying that we should not stay in imperfect organization because we cannot aim to be perfect if we are in imperfect organization.

I came to this conclusion by serving several major denominations faithfully for a few years when I was a very new Christian.

blessings.

 

[mjrhealth]

"He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a LIAR and the truth is not in him."

Nice hi lite.

Wasnt it you who said no matter how hard you try you cant do it, does that mean you are a liar and teh truth is not in you??

I really hope you can see why it is called "futility" to try keep the law.

In all His Love

 

[Joyful]

I really hope you can see why it is called "futility" to try keep the law.

Many people use this verse wrongly, IMO, you better watch out, friend.

 

[mjrhealth]

Many people use this verse wrongly, IMO, you better watch out, friend.

please explain, another dozen posts wont hurt.

In all His Love

 

[Joyful]

please explain, another dozen posts wont hurt.

In all His Love

You seem to be indicating that phoneman's faith is futility by keeping the law. Jesus is the one judges if he is not right with God with this matter.

 

[Phoneman777]

Phoneman,

You seem to be SDA and I respect your denomination as one of godly demonization with their fruit in over all. They seem to be striving to be faithful with their action. God will honor everyone who strive to be faithful to Jesus.

But some of the practice I think your organization is compromising which I will not get into.

I found all organization have dogmas. That's why I don't join any organization or denomination. Jesus says come out of Babylon. I think what Jesus is saying that we should not stay in imperfect organization because we cannot aim to be perfect if we are in imperfect organization.

I came to this conclusion by serving several major denominations faithfully for a few years when I was a very new Christian.

blessings.

It's true that Jesus told John to tell us to "come out of Babylon, My people that you be not partakers of her sins and receive not of her plagues." But, who is this woman known as "Babylon" with which the kings of the earth are fornicating and by which the merchants of the earth have gained riches? Well, it's written across the forehead of the whorish woman who sits on the seven hill city which was reigning over the earth in John's day.

All this symbolism points to one organization: A woman in prophecy is a "church". What church sits on the city of seven hills, ROME, and is both outwardly and clandestinely intimately involved with international political affairs and intrigue like no other religious organization in history, controls the banking elite through its Jesuit control of secret societies like the Knights of Malta, Freemasons, the Illuminatti, etc., esoterically teaches BABYLONIAN occult sun worship religion and has dragged such teachings right into the midst of the Christian church???

There is only one: the Roman Catholic church. And she has harlot daughter churches - apostate Protestantism - which no longer protests their blasphemous claims that the Pope is "god on earth" and "Jesus Christ, hidden under the veil of flesh" and "there is no salvation outside the RCC" and "there is no salvation for anyone who does not bow to the authority of the Pope". Chief among Rome's doctrines that apostate Protestantism clings to is "Futurism" and its "end time 7-year tribulation Antichrist, which Rome concocted when the Protestants of the Reformation fingered Rome as the Antichrist of prophecy. Yes, the SDA, like all churches, have compromised the truth. We are living in the time of Laodicea, in which God's people are "wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked". If you're looking for a perfect end-time church, you're not looking for the end time church of prophecy. :)

 

[Phoneman777]

Nice hi lite.

Wasnt it you who said no matter how hard you try you cant do it, does that mean you are a liar and teh truth is not in you??

I really hope you can see why it is called "futility" to try keep the law.

In all His Love

No, I said no such thing. What I said was "a just man falleth seven times and riseth up again", not "a just man falls down into it and makes himself at home while rejecting the Lifeline dangling before his face." That is Babylonian sun worship doctrine which has at the core of its works-based atonement system the provision for the "old man" to remain an "old man" and contempt for the idea of a "new man".

A Spotter stands ready to assist the one bench pressing a weight bar. When he comes to the place where he cannot raise the bar any higher no matter how hard he struggles and his strength begins to lose the battle with gravity, he is confident that his Spotter - using only one finger from each hand - will reach out and help him raise that bar all the way to the top rest of the bench.

He doesn't lay there and whine about how he is too weak and how it is impossible to complete the last rep as you and many others do when faced with the choice to either resist temptation or to give in to it, when Jesus, the One you all claim to love so much, stands ready as your Spotter to give you victory over sin.

 

[Phoneman777]

"Ye have not yet resisted unto BLOOD, striving against sin."

I doubt there is a single person among us here that ever resisted the pleasures of sin to the point where he or she painted the ground red from sweating blood as our loving Savior and Hero Jesus Christ did for us in Gethsemane when He struggled with the temptation to turn aside from the path which He knew led to Calvary. So, unless you have such a testimony, please stop with all this "you can't keep the law" business when debating whether the Sabbath should be kept.

 

[Joyful]

It's true that Jesus told John to tell us to "come out of Babylon, My people that you be not partakers of her sins and receive not of her plagues." But, who is this woman known as "Babylon" with which the kings of the earth are fornicating and by which the merchants of the earth have gained riches? Well, it's written across the forehead of the whorish woman who sits on the seven hill city which was reigning over the earth in John's day.

All this symbolism points to one organization: A woman in prophecy is a "church". What church sits on the city of seven hills, ROME, and is both outwardly and clandestinely intimately involved with international political affairs and intrigue like no other religious organization in history, controls the banking elite through its Jesuit control of secret societies like the Knights of Malta, Freemasons, the Illuminatti, etc., esoterically teaches BABYLONIAN occult sun worship religion and has dragged such teachings right into the midst of the Christian church???

There is only one: the Roman Catholic church. And she has harlot daughter churches - apostate Protestantism - which no longer protests their blasphemous claims that the Pope is "god on earth" and "Jesus Christ, hidden under the veil of flesh" and "there is no salvation outside the RCC" and "there is no salvation for anyone who does not bow to the authority of the Pope". Chief among Rome's doctrines that apostate Protestantism clings to is "Futurism" and its "end time 7-year tribulation Antichrist, which Rome concocted when the Protestants of the Reformation fingered Rome as the Antichrist of prophecy. Yes, the SDA, like all churches, have compromised the truth. We are living in the time of Laodicea, in which God's people are "wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked". If you're looking for a perfect end-time church, you're not looking for the end time church of prophecy. :)

I don't know much about church history but I can discern from what they preach. And most churches don't seem to realize how we are in wicked state.

God, have mercy on us, sinners.

 

[mjrhealth]

He doesn't lay there and whine about how he is too weak and how it is impossible to complete the last rep as you and many others do when faced with the choice to either resist temptation or to give in to it, when Jesus, the One you all claim to love so much, stands ready as your Spotter to give you victory over sin.

Wined, not just called out to Christ, when I am weak He is strong, to Him be all the glory,never will I be able to boast" look at me look at what I did".

As I said before, you claim to love Christ waht are you willing to give up to have all of Him,?? You sat there is no price to pay.

Luk_14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luk_14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Luk 14:28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
Luk 14:29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
Luk 14:30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
Luk 14:31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
Luk 14:32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
Luk 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

or

Luk_21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
Joh_15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

Are you willing to give it all for all of Him.??

 

[Phoneman777]

I don't know much about church history but I can discern from what they preach. And most churches don't seem to realize how we are in wicked state.

God, have mercy on us, sinners.

Just a casual study of church history is enough to demonstrate that the RCC corrupted Christianity to the nth degree and most Protestant churches can be defined as how much of the RCC they'd cast off and how much they retained.

 

[Phoneman777]

Wined, not just called out to Christ, when I am weak He is strong, to Him be all the glory,never will I be able to boast" look at me look at what I did".

As I said before, you claim to love Christ waht are you willing to give up to have all of Him,?? You sat there is no price to pay.

Luk_14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luk_14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Luk 14:28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
Luk 14:29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
Luk 14:30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
Luk 14:31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
Luk 14:32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
Luk 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

or

Luk_21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
Joh_15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

Are you willing to give it all for all of Him.??

Yes, when we are weak, He is strong. Do you interpret that to mean, "I can't keep the Sabbath, or I"ll lose my job, Lord, so in my weakness I MUST be unjust and break the Sabbath, but by Your strength please go ahead and make me a "just" man anyway"???

Wrong. The person who does this knows nothing about salvation.

The correct interpretation is, "Father, if it be your will, take this cup of unemployment threatening me from me. Nevertheless, Thy will be done." Get it? His will, not your will, be done. Doing your will is a sure fire ticket straight to hell, so take hold of His strength and do His will, and give Him the credit for what you can't do on your own.

"Not everyone that saith unto Me, Lord Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but they that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven." Matthew 7:21 KJV
"I delight to do Thy will, O my God, yea, Thy law is within my heart." Psalms 40:8 KJV

 

[mjrhealth]

Oh phone man why so angry, dont you know its not a sin to be human. Dont you know that you cant add one dot of love from God by your actions, Why are you striving to prove yourself. God finds you approved because of what Christ did, you cannot earn His approval by your actions.

Again what are you willling to give up to have all of Christ,

many are called but few are chosen...

Narrow is the way that leads to life and few shall find it.

I have no problems with God and He has no problems with me, oh if you could only know Him...

In all His Love

 

[Joyful]

you cannot earn His approval by your actions.

Jesus says we will be judged according to what we have done, friend.

 

[Barrd]

I see nothing has changed here during my absence.
It seems so obvious to me...those who love the Lord will keep His commandments. Those who will not keep His commandments do not truly love Him.
The road to life is narrow, and few find it...

There are very few, evidently, who love the Lord enough to keep His Sabbath holy. The Lord of the Sabbath is rejected,