Phoneman777 said:
ATP, Jesus said, "he (the Christian) that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved." Jeff has chosen not to endure to the end and if he continues on this course he will be lost.
I think this verse alone is enough to disprove OSAS.
Where does it say "the Christian". Nowhere. In fact, the majority of those translations say "but the one", "but he who", "but the person", "but whoever", "but those".
Matt 24 is about end times events. Jesus is comparing the endurance of false prophets turning away from the faith in Matt 24:4-5 NIV, Matt 24:10-11 NIV vs the endurance of believers, and that is who will endure to the end; true believers in Christ John 17:26 NIV, 1 Cor 1:8-9 NIV, 2 Cor 1:9-10 NIV, 2 Tim 2:13 NIV, Heb 6:19 NIV, Heb 7:25 NIV, Heb 13:5 NIV, 1 Pet 1:23 NIV, 2 John 1:2 NIV, Jude 1:1 NIV, Jude 1:24-25 NIV.
Notice Matt 13:21 NIV and Matt 24:9 NIV both mention persecution, but Matt 13:21 NIV clearly states that apostates fall away because of persecution, not believers. Why? Because they had no root...
Matt 13:21 NIV
But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word,
they quickly fall away.
Matt 24:3-14 NIV As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” 4
Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains. 9“Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.
10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
2 Thess 2:3 KJV Let no man deceive you by any means: for
that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
heretoeternity said:
Read and think about your post..does it make sense to you? It sure does not make Biblical sense!
Well, it does make biblical sense because God is not contradictory. We are sealed until redemption, and by His blood our redemption is secure forever. If I'm wrong you would have to disprove these verses...
Eph 1:13-14 NIV And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation.
When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
Eph 4:30 NIV And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God,
with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Heb 9:12 NLT
With his own blood--not the blood of goats and calves--he entered the Most Holy Place
once for all time and secured our redemption forever.