The Barrd said:
I dunno about you, PM, but I find myself leaning toward choking him....
Rom 7:21-25 NIV So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25Thanks be to God,
who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
Phoneman777 said:
ATP, you refuse to make Jesus your Lord. Do you actually think that those who do that will be granted eternal life?
Phoneman, you refuse to accept Jesus into your heart. Do you actually think that those who do not do that will be granted eternal life?
Phoneman777 said:
LOL, Have you ever met someone so confused? He claims to have Living Faith which is "faith which works by love", but in the same breath argues that works have nothing to do with saving faith...incredible!
He refuses to see that Living Faith is faith that is evidenced by God's works in us and conversely claims that the absence of works is evidence of Living Faith.
Once we believe we have eternal life. Either you believe or you don't...John 3:14-16 NIV, John 3:36 NIV, John 4:13-14 NIV, John 5:24 NIV, John 5:39-43 NIV, John 6:40 NIV, John 6:47 NIV, John 6:54 NIV, John 10:25-30 NIV, John 17:1-3 NIV, Acts 13:46-48 NIV, Rom 5:21 NIV, Rom 6:22-23 NIV, Eph 1:13-14 NIV, 2 Thess 2:16-17 NIV, 1 Tim 1:15-16 NIV, Tit 1:1-3 NIV, Tit 3:7 NIV, Heb 9:12 NIV, Heb 9:15 NIV, 1 John 1:1-4 NIV, 1 John 5:9-14 NIV, 1 John 5:20 NIV
We who believe in the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints in no way profess a dead faith, nor are we antinomians...yet when it comes to soteriology we do believe we are saved through the belief of the death of Jesus Christ for our sins and His resurrection. This is the entirety of the gospel for salvation.
What we believe about works is it is the natural progression and out working of being born again. These works do nothing to secure or maintain our salvation. These works are accredited to God as working in and through us.
We do not believe that sin will disqualify any born again believer for the free gift of salvation. All sin is deliberate, yet repentance is the natural working of God in us through the conviction He places on us. We believe as His children we are chastised but not condemned.