Again I say, you know the bible well, its time to get to Know Jesus, you will find Him quiet unlike how you see Him. As for Love, well teh enemy has quiet perverted that idea, and ours is quiet unlike His.
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Jesus is not the Sabbath! He is Lord of what the Sabbath represents, but this truth is once again lost on you for fear of abandoning a "work", which you believe can save you in that day.Raeneske said:
You are wrong.
The Law of the Sabbath belongs to Israel alone.
When one surveys Isarael's history we find in places like Lam 1:7 that her adversaries "mocked at her Sabbaths".
The issue for Raeneske is they can only demonstrate a keeping of a day and all it's observance from Law. Whereever it is found it is always traced back to the Mosiac code. And its is only ever a Bible instituation which in principle will be reinstututed in the Kingdom age when the blessing will fill the whole earth and the spiritual principles found within the Sabbath will become a universal institution for human life; yes, it will be "under the law of Grace" that will go forth from Mount Zion to willing and obedient nations (Isa. 66:23; 2:3).
Until such time everyday is the Sabbath for those who have this Kingdom growing in thier hearts.
TGG.
Jesus did not say, He is Lord of what the Sabbath represents. He said, He is Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath Day is His day. This is an echo of what is found in the 58th Chapter of Isaiah:Thegoodground said:
Isaiah 58:13-14 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
John the Revelator was found keeping the Sabbath day. For merit, or salvation? No, but because he loved the Lord of the Sabbath.
Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
If you intend on keeping the 9 other commandments, then you are require to keep all 10. If you break one, you break them all.
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Thus, Revelation reveals who are the Saints of the Lord.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
It is impossible for every single day to be the Sabbath Day. The Sabbath Day prevents all manner of secular business to be done, and requires you to lay aside all your selfish interests. In the Spirit, you are allowed to do sacred work, and only things in harmony with healing souls. Where does scripture declare that every single day is the Sabbath?
Some say Saturday is the Sabbath
Some say Sunday is the Sabbath
Some argue all thier lives about it
Not me
I observe both Saturday and Sunday
I love two days off a week
And it saves a lot of unproductive Sabbath debates
But if my oxen is hungry on the Sabbath I will feed him
Just like jesus said I could
My oxen loves the two days off too
Some say Sunday is the Sabbath
Some argue all thier lives about it
Not me
I observe both Saturday and Sunday
I love two days off a week
And it saves a lot of unproductive Sabbath debates
But if my oxen is hungry on the Sabbath I will feed him
Just like jesus said I could
My oxen loves the two days off too
Arnie,
Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
While I encourage Sabbath observance, I must also make a point. While choosing to observe Sunday, it may seem like a little undecided. Soon the test will come, in which you shall be required by law to observe the false sabbath. Then the decision must be made. One or the other.
And this, though may be a surprise to others, is not really a surprise. Satan's method of forcing people against their will to worship him is always through the law. It happened in Daniel's day, and Ester's Day, and I'm sure there's another time. But this is common, and that's what he will do. America will both speak and cause people to observe the false sabbath.
Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
While I encourage Sabbath observance, I must also make a point. While choosing to observe Sunday, it may seem like a little undecided. Soon the test will come, in which you shall be required by law to observe the false sabbath. Then the decision must be made. One or the other.
And this, though may be a surprise to others, is not really a surprise. Satan's method of forcing people against their will to worship him is always through the law. It happened in Daniel's day, and Ester's Day, and I'm sure there's another time. But this is common, and that's what he will do. America will both speak and cause people to observe the false sabbath.
Show us where in the Scritpures are such things taught?Raeneske said:
Actually, why not show us where "your" supernatural being is taught anywhere in the Torah? Did God warn of such a being? Did He teach them on the Mount their enemy was some make believe demonic being?
The spiritual principles are there if you care to open your eyes and ears.Raeneske said:
This is truely woeful exposition on your part.Raeneske said:
"On the Lord's day" This is not Sunday, but "the day of the Lord."
That is a day when the Lord will be manifested in power, and is referred to in Malachi 4:1-2; Isa. 2:12; Acts 17:31;
You simply do not know your Bible that is plainly clear for all to see.
Go and read 1 Thess. 5:2; 2 Thess. 2:2; 2 Sam. 23:4. also
To that day true Israelites were always taught to look. The Tabernacle and Altar always faced east - towards the rising sun (Christ); the Passover was celebrated
at night, anticipating the deliverance of the coming day (Deut. 16:1-4).
In Exod. 31:13, 17, we read, "My Sabbaths ye shall keep; for it is a sign between me and you... that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you. Ye shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you; every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death".Raeneske said:
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Again, by Ezekiel, 800 years afterwards, God said, "I gave them also my sabbaths ... And I said... Hallow my sabbaths, and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God" (Ezek. 20:12, 20).
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Because of Jesus, every day is the Sabbath Day for me for I have ceased from my own works. I am enjoying His rest every Day because I am enjoying Him.Arnie Manitoba said:
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Luk 5:36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
Luk 5:37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
Luk 5:38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
Luk 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better..
Some are still trying to hold onto the old .
In all His Love
Luk 5:37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
Luk 5:38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
Luk 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better..
Some are still trying to hold onto the old .
In all His Love
In regards to Satan using government authority to force people to go against their will, have you not heard what Jesus said? When you shall be brought in front of kings sake? Have you not read the book of Esther, where Haman tried to use his authority, to get Mordecai to bow to himself? Or when he used his authority, to prepare a slaughter for the jews? Or what about the book of Daniel? Where it was set up by the king, that all must bow and worship at golden statue. Or when Daniel was thrown in the Lions den, because of the law?Thegoodground said:
The spiritual principles are there TGG, and Jesus also explained what was not able to be seen. However, Secular work is not done on the Sabbath Day, so it is literally impossible for you to keep the Sabbath every day of the week.
TGG, that is not referring to, "The Day of the Lord". That would be an event which is in the future. How could he have been in the spirit on the day of the Lord, when such an event is prophecied to take place in the future. John said he was in the spirit on the Lord's Day, which is the holy Sabbath. That is why Jesus said He is the Lord of the Sabbath, he echoed Isaiah 58:13.
We are to keep the Lord's Sabbath, this I am aware of. It is a sign of who in fact sanctifies me. I do not spend Sundays trying to keep a false sabbath, or falsely claim every day as the Sabbath Day.
If you do any secular labor, then it is impossible for you to keep the Sabbath every single day. And yes, that is the Spirit of the law. The letter would be someone trying to stop all manner of work, or even preventing picking simple corn, or an apple while taking a walk.Axehead said:
I have absolutely no reason to be kidding. This is a guaranteed fact, that it is coming. If it wasn't, my question to all is, "Why are they doing exactly as prophecy said they would do"? Prophecy has been confirmed, such laws are coming in this country.Arnie Manitoba said:
Please show me what the jots and tittles that have been changed in the 4th Commandment.mjrhealth said:
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For the Jew pre-Cross, the Sabbath represented a dedication to God's holiness and His cessation from the works of creation (Exo 20:8, 11). This was a foreshadow to the Christian to rest (rely) in God and not in self, which many did not do, "because of unbelief" (Heb 3:19).
"For he that is entered into His rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His" (Heb 4:10). Our "own works" is in reference to that which is done out of our old nature. The more we rest from and not in them, the more the Spirit works in us by the new nature.
God's blessings to all!
"For he that is entered into His rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His" (Heb 4:10). Our "own works" is in reference to that which is done out of our old nature. The more we rest from and not in them, the more the Spirit works in us by the new nature.
God's blessings to all!
Well show us what he said!Raeneske said:
And there is no Satan here either!Raeneske said:
You are having a hard time of it arn't you?
You have run a number of books together of which not one mentions the word devil or satan.Raeneske said:
I doubt you even know the words mean.
I am laughing now; not at you, but at your ignorance of the truth of Rev 1:10 and in fact the whole chapter.Raeneske said:
No the truth is your eyes are focused on keeping a law (only) and you saw these words in Rev 1:10 thinking they spoke of the Sabbath, when in fact they refer to a future vision of Christ with his saints.
The reality is John was bodily in Patmos, he was mentally in the "day of the Lord," beyond the time of the resurrection of the dead, which will introduce the great and terrible day of Yahweh. John was hence present in spirit at the day of the Lord.
Why do you think he heard the "voice of a trumpet" behind him?
Lets first correct your wrong use of Rev 1:10 and see if we can progress from there, shall we?
What do you mean secular labor? All of our labor is unto the Lord, now that we are His.Raeneske said:
Col_3:23 And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;
To the Christian, all that he does now, he does unto the Lord who enables us to be fruitful in every good work.
Col_1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
We are incapable of judging another's heart as to whether they are resting in the Lord or not.
Not only do you judge your brothers, but you alienate them (set at nought) and you will have no fellowship with them. This is not pleasing to the Lord.
Rom_14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Can you be as big-hearted towards your brethren as the Lord is (who is speaking to us through Paul)? God is able to make those people stand, that you are judging.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Can the liberty that the Holy Spirit is extending to us be any simpler to understand? Seems like the Lord has no problem how we treat the physical days of the week as long as we are walking in faith and trust and rest in Him.
"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. (Rom 14:4-6 )
Axehead
Who was tempting these men, to lead out their rebellion against the people of God? Satan. Who was busy trying to execute his work, in extinguishing the truth of God within the Jewish nation? Satan. Who tempts men, and leads them on their decided decisions, who becomes their leader in exacting homage for themselves? Satan.Thegoodground said:
The entire book of Revelation pens out, and speaks of multiple times throughout the history of the entire Christian church. The message starts out, with John explaining where he was, and what day he was on when he received. No, it was not the day of the Lord. The voice of the trumpet is associated with the speech of God.
Revelation 1:10-11 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Exodus 19:16-17,19 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount. And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.
Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
So, John was in the Spirit (worship God in Spirit and truth) on the Lord's Day (The Sabbath, Isaiah 58:13, Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5). If it meant the day of the Lord, that great and dreadful day, it would have specified so. But that was not what John was getting at. John was keeping the Sabbath, and was in the spirit on the Sabbath day, and then He heard the voice of God.
We are told to do all we do, that we should do it for the Lord. But that is not case when one sits down to watch football, plays videogames, hangs out with friends, goes to parties, etc. This does not mean that all manner of secular work became instantly a manner of sacred work.Axehead said:
Pardon? Are you saying that because I keep the Sabbath, I reject all my brethren? Certainly not, for we keep the Sabbath Day together. But, if you mean that I refuse to go into the church and fellowship with the other churches, you are quite right. I do refuse to do those things. I have been called to come out of fallen churches, not stay in them.
2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Who am I judging? The question is not whether they are resting in the Lord's love. The question is, are they going to reform and keep all 10, instead of picking and choosing 9. Certainly some have not picked and chosen, they have never heard such things before. But other's, must be shown the true position they are walking. You are picking 1-3, 5-10, and rejecting 4. There is no difference between that, and picking to keep 1-6, rejecting 7, and keeping 8-10. You break one, you break all. If you plan to keep any, you must keep them all.
Am I in error for pointing out the sins of the church? She has forsaken the law of God, and I am to stand by and think this is okay? Not so, but I will do as I'm told by God. I will point out that we are to keep the law of God, which she is taking drastic steps to remove, and all the churches are joining together in a group hug. Conformity never comes except the Christians give up their principles, and do as the world would have them do. Such has always been the case. It was so with the Jewish nation, and continued down through the Roman Church, and now the Protestant Churches.
Romans 14:4-6 has nothing to do with the Sabbath day. Romans 14 is about doubtful disputations (Romans 14:1). Keeping the Sabbath Day, is not a doubtful disputation, though Christians today certainly do doubt the absolute validity of the Sabbath Day. Romans 14 has not given you license to change a jot or tittle in the 4th Commandment. It is plain -- The Seventh Day is the Sabbath. Rest, therefore.
Rae,
We should rest in Him everyday. I'm not sure if you will ever see that the days of the week are no longer as important as the One who has come. I hope you see it, but for now it is clear that you don't. I think part of your problem is that your theology is tied to a your denomination and it is hard to give up the traditions handed down to you by your denomination.
We should rest in Him everyday. I'm not sure if you will ever see that the days of the week are no longer as important as the One who has come. I hope you see it, but for now it is clear that you don't. I think part of your problem is that your theology is tied to a your denomination and it is hard to give up the traditions handed down to you by your denomination.
What you said about resting in Him everyday, I believe you mean resting in His love everyday. You are absolutely correct in that regards, I have nothing against that. I pray, read etc. (not boasting) every day, because I like it, and know it is my duty. However, resting in His love never diminished from our obligation to spending those sacred hours with our God. He said, "Every 7th Day, rest from work. Take a walk with me through nature, read my word, spend more time in prayer than normal, keep your mind elevated above earthly things".Axehead said:
As for theology which is tied to a denomination, no. I have searched the scriptures for this. I know we are to keep the Sabbath Day, it is in harmony with the rest of the Bible. James 2:10 is especially fitting, in which it shows the mentality of a lot of Christians today. I have also found John the Revelator keeping the Sabbath. This to me, shows that he understood, we are to keep the day, and what James penned was correct. Keep all 10, and do not pick and choose. If it was a tradition, I never would have found the 7th Day Sabbath within the Word of God. Actually, I found a direct commandment from the Word of God, and I look around and behold, men uphold a tradition of the false Sabbath above that which is plainly written.
I am not ever denying the importance of our Lord, and it grieves me when people say that. The Lord should be ever upon the mind of all of us Christians. However, I do not diminish the importance of keeping the law of God either. And I cannot understand why people will constantly accuse me of trying to work to heaven either (not saying that you are saying such things). It's like, in this world which is so far gone, so far sunken into iniquity, is it bad for a man to do as the Lord commands? If a Christian refuses to be found in a club with the rest of his Christian buddies, are they going to accuse him of being a goody two shoes, or trying to be good to work his way into heaven? Sadly, yes they shall accuse him of even that. I am not doing this because I'm being forced to. I'm doing this because I love the Lord, and I will keep His Commands.
James 2:10 is actually teaching the reason why you should not keep a day.Raeneske said:
Best you read Rom. 2:17-24: Gal. 3:10. As the Law convicted all of having sinned (with the exception of Christ), it made evident the need of grace to establish justification, or righteousness as it is sometimes rendered. How could God proclaim a person to be righteous when, in fact, he was a sinner? Only by forgiving him the sin he had committed.
This was accomplished in Christ alone, so that whereas the Law, rightly considered, had performed the important work of convicting a person of sin, it could not properly blot it out. This needed a Redeemer, and in that regard the Law performed the valuable service of leading to Christ the one whom it had convicted of sin (Gal. 3:24). The Judaisers opposed this concept, and attempted to establish justification (rendered righteousness — Rom. 10:3-5) by strictly observing the ceremonials of the Law. But as Paul and James clearly show, to offend, or stumble, in one point of the Law defeated the objective, and brought the sinner under its curse. They taught that the principles of the Law should be observed as a guidance for moral conduct; but because it was beyond the ability of normal man to keep it in its entirety, the grace of God as exhibited in the forgiveness of sins, is necessary for justification. In stating that the person who offended in one point of the law is "guilty of all", James means that he is guilty of violating the Law as a whole, and, therefore, he has made it impossible to be justified, or saved, by it. This does not mean that the person who sinned in one particular is neld as guilty as if he had violated every ordinance of it, or that all sinners are of equal grade because all have violated one or more of the laws of God, but rather that he has been convicted of sin, and needs forgiveness therefrom to be justified before God. It was grace not law that granted the sinner such a privilege. It is said that the Jews taught that "he who transgresses all the precepts of the law has broken the yoke, dissolved the covenant, and exposed the law to contempt; and so has he done who has only broken one precept;" They also taught, "that he who observed any principal command was equal to him who kept the whole law," and gave for an example the forsaking of idolatry. James' comments corrected this false teaching.
Raeneske said:
Verses please.
You have posted some very relevant verses.Raeneske said:
The Trumpet was used to gather the people together (Num. 10:3). It here speaks in Rev 1:10 of the gathering of the people together for judgment prior to the manifestation of the great day of the Lord when all nations will be brought into subjection to the Son of God (See 1 Thess. 4:16).
The voice of God metering out the judgements via the trumpets has nothing to do with the Sabbath (Sorry), but has everything to do with bringing the true Sabbath into the earth Rev 19, 20, 21. Best you remain within the context of Rev 1 and its glorious vision than push Sabbath keeping from a verse which is not supportive.
I must say, this is the first time I have witnessed someone pushing the Sabbath from this verse.
Esther 3:2-6 And all the king's servants, that were in the king's gate, bowed, and reverenced Haman: for the king had so commanded concerning him. But Mordecai bowed not, nor did him reverence. Then the king's servants, which were in the king's gate, said unto Mordecai, Why transgressest thou the king's commandment? Now it came to pass, when they spake daily unto him, and he hearkened not unto them, that they told Haman, to see whether Mordecai's matters would stand: for he had told them that he was a Jew. And when Haman saw that Mordecai bowed not, nor did him reverence, then was Haman full of wrath. And he thought scorn to lay hands on Mordecai alone; for they had shewed him the people of Mordecai: wherefore Haman sought to destroy all the Jews that were throughout the whole kingdom of Ahasuerus, even the people of Mordecai.Thegoodground said:
Daniel 3:4-8,12 Then an herald cried aloud, To you it is commanded, O people, nations, and languages, That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up: And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. Therefore at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and all kinds of musick, all the people, the nations, and the languages, fell down and worshipped the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up. Wherefore at that time certain Chaldeans came near, and accused the Jews. There are certain Jews whom thou hast set over the affairs of the province of Babylon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego; these men, O king, have not regarded thee: they serve not thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
Daniel 6:5,7,12 Then said these men, We shall not find any occasion against this Daniel, except we find it against him concerning the law of his God. All the presidents of the kingdom, the governors, and the princes, the counsellors, and the captains, have consulted together to establish a royal statute, and to make a firm decree, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any God or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions. Then they came near, and spake before the king concerning the king's decree; Hast thou not signed a decree, that every man that shall ask a petition of any God or man within thirty days, save of thee, O king, shall be cast into the den of lions? The king answered and said, The thing is true, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not. Then the king commanded, and they brought Daniel, and cast him into the den of lions. Now the king spake and said unto Daniel, Thy God whom thou servest continually, he will deliver thee. And a stone was brought, and laid upon the mouth of the den; and the king sealed it with his own signet, and with the signet of his lords; that the purpose might not be changed concerning Daniel.
And don't think because you don't find the word "Devil" or "Satan" within those verses, that Satan had nothing to do with these things against the Jews. Satan very much so wanted to destroy the Jews, the same way he manifests hatred against the Christian. Satan was very much involved, in moving these men in power, to use their power to slay the people of God.
Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
The voice a trumpet, is the voice of God. It says nothing here about judgment. If he was in the spirit on the day of the Lord, how much sense would it make for God to say, "I will shew thee things which must be hereafter"? Revelation then would be only about hereafter the day of the Lord. The voice of the trumpet is with the voice of God. It is very plain, on the Sabbath Day, John heard the voice of God. Period. That is what that scripture is saying. I said nothing about God giving judgments via trumpets. The subject at hand has to do with, the trumpet, which is attributed to the voice of God.
Exodus 19:16-17,19 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount. And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.
The voice is also found speaking here, getting ready to speak the 10 Commandments. The trumpet in this passage is about the voice of God.
John the Revelator was found keeping the day, so it is evident why we keep the day. You would agree that all the other precepts are righteousness, but surely denounce the keeping of the 4th Commandment. James 2:10 is plain for those who do such a thing. If you agree to keep 9, you agree to keep 10.
I have no disagreement with the fact that the law convinces the sinner they have sinned. I have a disagreement however, with using scripture to justify the breaking of the law.
The Redeemer blots out your sins, and carries away your unrighteousness. What better reason then, for you to turn right around and actually keep the law, then weekly transgressing it's precepts, openly and boldly, without so much of a hint of an attempt to do the will of God. Jesus Christ showed that man could keep the divine law. It is not on his own that He accomplished it, but our unswerving example proved how to do it. It is through faith in God, our Father, and His Father, that He kept every single point and never failed. Likewise, fallen man through faith in God can keep the law of God. Once man becomes aware of his sins, and accepts the Lord, and has faith, He is given the strength to overcome. I am very aware of the plan of salvation. James is an epistle to teach us how to act, and to be cautious of how we act, and what we do. James showed how works blend with faith, though works in themselves save not a single soul. Works are just the fruit of the believer. James also showed how we are judged by the "Law of Liberty" which is the 10 Commandments. Breaking the 10 Commandments is not freedom. It is bondage to the one himself who has problems with the divine claims.
I can understand if you accidentally broke the Sabbath, or even one of the other commandments of God. However I will not justify, nor excuse purposeful and willful desecration of the Commandments of God. Accidents happen. But Hebrews 10:26 shows that while you choose to continue to transgress the Law of God, there shall be a point in which you are crucifying the Son of God afresh, and you shall be without sacrifice.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
So "you" say.Raeneske said:
God's voice is only heard on Sabbath days? Did God speak on the Sabbath? Did he Judge on the Sabbath?Raeneske said:
The shophar was heard at Sinai (Exo. 19:16), on the Day of Atonement (Lev.23:24), at the beginning of the year of jubilee (Lev. 25:9), to announce the new moon (Psa. 81:3). It gave warning of judgment and war (Jos. 6:5; Jud. 3:27; 6:34; 7:16-18). It was used when issuing commands and directions (ISam. 13:3; 2Sam. 2:28); for proclaiming the accession of a king (1 Kgs. 1:34), or to warn of approaching danger (Jer. 4:5; Eze. 33:3; Joel 2:1).Raeneske said:
It was thus the Voice of Authority.
That voice you say is only heard on the Sabbath?
Where?Raeneske said:
You cannot keep a commandment as Law - you are a sinner!Raeneske said:
I will say it again - you are a sinner and Law keeping cannot save you.Raeneske said:
Lets say it again just in case you failed to listen the tenth time.Raeneske said:
You are a sinner you cannot uphold God's commandments by Law as you will fail in one point and therefore are guilty of the whole law.
Your entire language is wrong; you speak as a natural unbelieving Jew.
You cannot jump between Law and Faith - Sorry once more!Raeneske said:
Where does it say the Law of Liberty is the 10 Commandments?Raeneske said:
By those same commandments law breakers were stone to death. Are you saying this Law is what saves?
O, so accidental incidents are ok are they? like 1 Ch 13:9-10Raeneske said:
This stinks of self justification.Raeneske said:
You are one lost soul.
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,Raeneske said:
(Heb 10:26)
Where is the breaking of the Mosiac Law here?
Where does it say we keep a Law?Raeneske said:
Axehead said:
Correct.
And Rae is a stern warning to all would be Christians who think they understand God and His purpose but have taken to themselves lies.
Lies cannot save.
If we do it correctly as the disciples did, we can kill two birds with one Stone(Pardone the pun). Saturday is the seventh day and the seventh day is God's ordained day of rest according to scripture since the beginning of our earth's age was re-created after the flood of the first earth.Arnie Manitoba said:
However the Jewish's seventh day ends Saturday at sundown... but on the Gentile calendar day it is still the seventh day until midnight on Saturday...yet is the dawn of a new day being the FIRST DAY of the week according to the Jews. So if we did as the original followers of Christ did, we could meet at Saturday sundown and be fulfilling both days in one shot.
Acts 20:7 And UPON(sundown) the first DAY(not meaning sunlight) OF THE WEEK, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
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1 Cor 16:1 Now concerning the collection{plate offering} for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
2 UPON(Sundown) the first Day{Not meaning sunlight} OF THE WEEK let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him{tithes of our income}, that there be no gatherings when I come.
3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.
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As we can see, the beginning of the (first) day is sundown Saturday and that is when the tithe aka collection plate is to be passed for the poor saints in Jerusalem not for padded pew seats etc.... as most churches use the tithe money for. Tithes are a 1/10th portion of what God has given to us rather it be produce and cattle as in the old testament or monetary since we work for a living now days and do not farm. All the earth belongs to Him and we are borrowing it to use for income.
Blessings
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