(His By Grace;42874)
Look at the thread that says "Luther 100% correct..." or something similar to that and you'll see a whole discussion about the difference between the 2 Bibles.
(waynemlj;42891)
Hi kriss,I know that you have a lot of Bible knowledge, for I've read many of your Posts and Replies. I also know that you love Jesus as your Savior, and I rejoice to know that! That's what really counts, isn't it?Having said that, I would like to add that God commands us to get knowledge, get understanding: Psalm 119:34, Proverbs 3:5, and you know that I could list a dozen more. You know them all, too.The reason why that is so important is that the more understanding we get about who God really is the better we can love Him, adore Him, and give Him the glory He deserves.I do ask you to follow that command of God, and, just one more time, read the Scripture I gave you in my previous Reply to you (Romans 9:22-24). Study it, meditate upon it, pray over it . . . just that one Scripture. That's all!Then, would you do me a favor and answer one question for me (your brother in Christ) when you get a chance?Since we know that Jesus made a covenant with the Father to come to earth as a man, to do only the Father's Will which was to save those the Father gave Him, do you honestly believe it gives glory to our Savior for Him to die for those He knew beforehand were not the Father's elect and were predestined to damnation?If you will do that with a prayerful heart, I will accept whatever answer you give me.waynemlj
Romans 9:22-24What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?I know this wasn't addressed to me but I would like to try and answer it.Sounds like God was patient with many evil people "People fitted (predestined) to destruction (hell). Patient because He also has vessels of mercy, which He had prepared (something done in the past) for glory (heaven), these will recieve the riches of His glory.
Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Even us? Paul obviously is writing (speaking) to Christians, it's obvious by using the word "us".
whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
He must be writing to a mostly "non-Jewish" people, Also in a sense to Jews also, To the gentiles "they are now included", to the Jews, "salvation is no longer just for them" (explaining a point), The point: God does the choosing!, of not only the Jews but, also the gentiles. So....salvation is no longer just for the Jews, but the whole world, from among every tribe, tongue and nation, and of which, God chooses the final destination.It sound to me in this passage, God is in control, it is His world, His creation and He can do what He so chooses, whether we like it or not. And if one is a "vessel of mercy" be thankful. And remember it was not by your own choice and free will, but, by God choice to have mercy on you.Pretty powerful stuff indeed! I don't see any way of denying it. Is there any more passages supporting this, or any that deny this?