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Im not concerned about sheep that were not Christs sheep, He is not their shepherd and not responsible for them
First of all...God is not just if He doesn't send everyone to hell if that's what we deserve.
Second....If God sends a strong delusion...it means it must not be HIM that is doing the choosing!
Why would God need to send a strong delusion?
All the Calvinist God would have to do is not choose those He does not desire to choose for His own good pleasure.
Easy.
Then just reply anew to my same post to make me "un-confused" by your post to mine.
Excuse me BF...
actually, unless a person is aware of your belief system...
you do sound rather confused.
No insult intended...it's just a fact.
Calvinism is just too different and some statements could sound confusing to some Christians.
Okay so he/she is a Calvinist?
I am not brushed up on every teaching out there, but that might be why the reasoning is circular and would leave someone confused.
I'm a SHE myself, and thanks for clarifying that, you never know who you are communicating with and everyones angles on the word of God.
Aunty Jane
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Exactly…..Jesus was a Jew who was sent to preach to Jews exclusively. All of the first Christians were Jewish….They didn’t stop being Jews when they became Christians because they were not gentiles.
And yet Peter was the first of the apostles to be sent to the Gentiles, to the home of Cornelius, opening the way forward for them to fulfill God’s promise to Abraham.....that “all the nations would be blessed” because he obeyed the voice of his Creator.
Paul was not one of the 12 and is not part of the foundations of the Kingdom, like they are said to be in Rev 21:14. He had a special assignment, but it was not more important than that of the 12.
He already did.....as did Paul who said that “ALL SCRIPTURE IS INSPIED OF GOD AND BENEFICIAL FOR TEACHING....” (2 Tim 3:16-17)...please tell me what else we need since Scripture backs up Scripture. All we need to know is in there.....and Adam was instructed about where he would go if death occurred....”back to the dust”. Is that a fiery hell? Sound like the grave to me. But since he was responsible for the death of the entire human race, surely if anyone deserved a severe punishment, it was Adam…..yet he suffered only the penalty that God had stated….death.
LOL.....no matter how many times you repeat something, once you get it wrong, it‘s wrong every time.
What is “the wrath of God” visited on those who “disobey the son”?
Read the Scripture again and ask yourself how God’s wrath was expressed in Bible times? Were his enemies condemned to “hell”…..or death? Was there a single crime committed against God’s Law that was punished with anything but death. No penalty resulted in prolonged torture. Why would it? Does God somehow need to be vindictive? His justice is always fair…the punishment fits the crime. Eternal torture is not justice.
There is no immortal soul, so a ”hell of eternal torment” cannot exist…..Sheol/hades is just the common grave of all mankind.…we all go there. (Eccl 9:10)
“Gehenna” is the “second death” from which no one is resurrected. it’s life or death…not heaven or hell.
Is it? Where were the first humans created to live forever? I’ll give you a clue…it wasn’t heaven. (Gen 3:22-24)
What was God’s purpose in creating us here on this planet? If you don’t have a clue, then you won’t know what he is restoring….and it’s clear that you don’t. What is the only reason for God to take human beings to heaven, and have them “born again” in a new immortal spirit body, in order to be able to dwell there in the presence of God?
in Acts 3:19-21 the apostle Peter said…..
”Therefore repent and turn back, so that your sins may be wiped out, that seasons of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that He may send Jesus, who has been appointed for you as the Messiah. Heaven must welcome Him until the times of the restoration of all things, which God spoke about by the mouth of His holy prophets from the beginning.“ (HCSB)
What is “the restoration of all things”? What is restored?
If you have ever studied the prophesies of Daniel you will see that he foretold a March of world powers who held dominion over his people and their land….from the kings of Babylon, Medo Persia, Greece, Rome, Britain and right up until the Gentile times ended……we are living under the rulership of the last kings….to whom God foretold the end of human rulership under influence from its chosen god and ruler, and the institution of God’s Kingdom which is the means by which he will restore his first purpose (Dan 2:44)…..so what was it Behold…..please tell us what is “the restoration of all things” that was prophesied?
@GodsGrace
Tell Him that at the Judgment ! Because everyone is worthy o hell, yet He was Merciful to save some. And you have this hard speech against that ?
Tell Him that at the Judgment ! Because everyone is worthy o hell, yet He was Merciful to save some. And you have this hard speech against that ?
I have started enough threads here for a person to become acquainted with my beliefs. I haven't hid them
JLB
Well-Known Member
Let me know when you find a scripture that says… “Salvation is Jesus‘s finished work on the cross”.
The truth is this is just a man made phrase to prop up a man made doctrine that Jesus never taught nor did His Apostles.
JLB
Well-Known Member
Here is the truth of how we become saved.
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:9-10
- if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
JLB
Well-Known Member
Yes wherever we are gathered in His name He is there.
What does this have to do with a lost sheep who has strayed away from Jesus and is not gathered together with anyone in His name?
Jesus taught it requires people to go after lost sheep to convince them to return.
“What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.
“Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. Matthew 18:12-17
The step by step process Jesus taught us to follow to go after a lost sheep.
Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’
And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church.
But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
The brother who refuses to hear the church after one, then two brothers have tried to convince the brother who refuses to repent of his sin, is to be considered as an outcast; a sinner, a heathen and no longer a member of the church.
You changed your answer, again.
Let me back it up.
I told you that when Jesus was in His Ministry, there were no Christians found on earth.
So, lets stay there.
By Acts 15 Peter, James, and John were preaching to Jews.
Whereas Paul was the only Apostle who was called to be "the apostle to the gentiles".
Its not a very smart idea to state where Paul talks about "all scripture" and then try to use this as a false pretext, regarding what Adam knew......as when Adam was here, there was no bible, no OT, no Scriptures.
John 3:36
2 Thess 1:8-9
In the OT God judged by death sentence.
This continued into early Acts, when the Holy Spirit killed Ananias and Sapphira.
God still takes lives today......mostly heretics who offend Him , as "God is not mocked".
However, its eternal damnation that is coming for all who died not born again.
John 3:36
For fellowship and relationship and praise, and for His glory.
The Cross of Chrsit is where "God made Jesus to be sin for us"........and if He has not done this for you, then you are still in your sins.
Currently : The Born again are restored.
So, if you look around you'll see a fallen world and the god of this world running it.
This concludes that its not restored.
This is going to change at the end of the Trib when Jesus begins his earthly millennial Reign, here on earth.
At that time, "restoration" has come.
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