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Salvation

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by baller91, Jul 28, 2006.

  1. baller91

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    Most Christians believe that salvation from sin and death is available through belief in the person and work of Jesus as savior (John 3:16; Romans 10:9). It is generally believed that Jesus made an atoning sacrifice, completed with his death on the cross, and thereby paid for the sins of mankind (Romans 5:15). Christians further believe that justification and sanctification are made possible through this sacrifice (Romans 3:23-24). Most Christians consider salvation through Jesus to be an unearned gift from God through his divine grace (Ephesians 2:8-9), though many Christians, particularly Roman Catholics, see good works as important or even as necessary (Romans 2:6).Christian denominations have arrived at several explanations as to exactly how salvation is obtained, normally including a personal acceptance of Jesus as savior.
     
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    Ephesian 2:8 for by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.We don’t get saved by good works.But when we do get saved; we work outwardly the genuine experience of the heart. God BlessLove123
     
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    Romans1 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;Romans 3;20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.EXPLAINS JESUS IS THE WAY TO SALVATION.God BlessLove123
     
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    …………………………………THIS IS IT………………………..Romans 4: But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.DON’T FOCUS ON SELF TO BE RIGHTEOUS… JESUS IS RIGHTEOUS.IT’S NOT BY YOUR WORKS THAT JUSTIFY THE UNGLODLY OUR FAITH IN GOD IS COUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS IS JESUS. *With Jesus in us, the Holy Spirit in us…..We ARE righteous.II Corinthians 5: 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that *We might be made….. the righteousness……. of God in him. SEE IT?*We might be made….. the imputed to you…… the moment you call Him into your heart. Jesus knows a mans heart..........the.... thief on the cross said 9 (nine) words and Christ said today you shall be with me in Paradise.Phil 2:1212 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.THIS MEANS WHAT YOU NOW HAVE INSIDE...........THROUGH SALVATION..............WORK OUTWARDLY......Ephesian 2:8 for by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.We don’t get saved by good works.But when we do get saved; we work outwardly the genuine experience of the heart. God BlessLove123
     
  5. LittleSister

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    Most Christians believe that salvation from sin and death is available through belief in the person and work of Jesus as savior (John 3:16; Romans 10:9). It is generally believed that Jesus made an atoning sacrifice, completed with his death on the cross, and thereby paid for the sins of mankind (Romans 5:15). Christians further believe that justification and sanctification are made possible through this sacrifice (Romans 3:23-24). Most Christians consider salvation through Jesus to be an unearned gift from God through his divine grace (Ephesians 2:8-9), though many Christians, particularly Roman Catholics, see good works as important or even as necessary (Romans 2:6). Christian denominations have arrived at several explanations as to exactly how salvation is obtained, normally including a personal acceptance of Jesus as savior.
    Isaiah 64:6 All our righteousness is as filthy rags.James 2:20 Faith without work is dead.Hebrews 9:27 it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment. (1st death is physical death, the 2nd death is spiritual death in hell.)Rev. 2:11 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit (capital ‘S’ means Holy Spirit) says to the churches. (born again believers, the body of Christ) He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death. Matt 10:28 Do not fear those who kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. [/COLOR] ls
     
  6. HeisNear

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    Ephesian 2:8 for by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: ... But when we do get saved; we work outwardly the genuine experience of the heart. God BlessLove123
    Greetings,Let's dig for the hidden treasure (Matt. 13:44); perhaps the Good News is better than we think. To rightly discern the verses you quote dear believer, the context becomes clearer with the preceeding ones. Firstly, "For by grace you have been saved through faith" (Eph. 2:8). The verse does not say, "have been saved 'because' of your faith." Many make the mistake of thinking that repentance and faith is of such value as to atone for sin, but that can't be. Grace must be imparted, the atoning sacrifice must avail for man, before he can repent. "But with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption" (Heb. 9:12).Christ Jesus is already the "Savior of all men, especially of those who believe" (1 Tim. 4:10). And has tasted "death for everyone" (Heb. 2:9). Going back to Ephesians 2, examining the contextual layout. "But God, who is rich inmercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Eph. 2:4-6). There is no mention of the believers confession, repentance or faith. It is an act of God, apart from our own personal experience. The verses are referring to the "death and resurrection" of Christ." How do we know this? Because Paul took a great amount of his writings straight out of the Old Testament. In this case, from the book of Hosea. Hosea 6:1,2--"For He has torn, but He will heal us: He has stricken, but He will bind us up. After two days He will revive us [make us alive]; On the third day He will raise us up [He will revive us], That we may live in His sight" Where were you when Christ died on the cross? In Christ! All humanity, past, present, and future were crucified "in Him." Objectively, we "sit together in the heavenly places 'in Christ Jesus.'" "And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist" (Col. 1:17). Hence, Jesus Christ first saves us, then calls us! How do we know this? According to the gospel, the power of God, "has saved us, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began" (2 Tim. 8,9). I'm not talking of Universalism, nor of Calvinism. Sadly, many will refuse the salvation already obtained for all. If any are to be saved at last, it will be because of God's intiatiative. And, if any will be lost at last, it will be because of man's initiative. It is easy to be saved and hard to be lost, IF, one comprehends the love of God's wonderful gospel. (See Eph. 3:14-20). No one will see Jesus for the first time and say, "I did my part" "I did my part." The gospel is God laying the glory of man in the dust. Oh, the poor suffering sinnner, who all their lifetime trying so desperately to live up to God's calling by trying "first" to do something. He already has done something for us! Will we believe? Many think this belief in an already established salvation will encourage people to go on sinning ad infinitum. However, there is one sin that cannot be forgiven, the deliberate, persistant resistance against the Holy Spirit (unbelief). When the Bible states: "For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to ALL men, it goes on to say, "instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age" (Titus 2:11, 12). The covenant of grace has God more actively involved in our salvation, initiating the entire process, "from first to last this has been been the work of God," (2 Cor. 5:18, NEB). Legalists are fearful of lowering obedience, unmindful that only "love is the fulfilling of the law," and that all egocentric motivation produces either lukewarmness or eventual falling-away (Rom. 13:10; only "agape never fails," 1 Cor. 13:8). Blessings in Christ,John S. [email protected]
     
  7. Jenn4God

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    Most Christians believe that salvation from sin and death is available through belief in the person and work of Jesus as savior (John 3:16; Romans 10:9). It is generally believed that Jesus made an atoning sacrifice, completed with his death on the cross, and thereby paid for the sins of mankind (Romans 5:15). Christians further believe that justification and sanctification are made possible through this sacrifice (Romans 3:23-24). Most Christians consider salvation through Jesus to be an unearned gift from God through his divine grace (Ephesians 2:8-9), though many Christians, particularly Roman Catholics, see good works as important or even as necessary (Romans 2:6).Christian denominations have arrived at several explanations as to exactly how salvation is obtained, normally including a personal acceptance of Jesus as savior.
    Roman Catholics aren't Christians. They try to claim they are but even in this post you showed they are not. They do not follow the laws of God. Sure, nobody completely follows the laws because of our sin nature, but the Roman Catholics are a whole seperate religion from Christianity. I'm sure if you were to research this you would find just how different they are. I mean reaaly, they even have their own version of the Bible that is totally against the Word of God. If you want more info I'm sure my husband or I could give it to you, but I will not continue on this subject on your post without your permission.
     
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    Roman Catholics aren't Christians. They try to claim they are but even in this post you showed they are not. They do not follow the laws of God. Sure, nobody completely follows the laws because of our sin nature, but the Roman Catholics are a whole seperate religion from Christianity. I'm sure if you were to research this you would find just how different they are. I mean reaaly, they even have their own version of the Bible that is totally against the Word of God. If you want more info I'm sure my husband or I could give it to you, but I will not continue on this subject on your post without your permission.
    It is certainly true that the orginizational teachings of the Catholic Chruch are opposed to "righteousness by faith" alone. Yet, I speak softly--Isn't this a very broad and sweeping statement you make on all the Roman Catholics? Is it possible for one to be living up to the light they have and have a complete devotion to God? (Romans 1:20). I don't believe it's the knowledge we don't have that will be the destruction of souls, but the knowledge we persistantly, deliberately throw away of the Gospel of Christ. I have studied the teachings of the Roman Catholic church, having contact with them, and attending their church as a young boy. .... However, someone once told me that we need not study error and waste all of our time when we can be studying truth. It's like a three dollar bill. We know it's a counterfeit. By studying truth we will recognize error when thrown our way.Just a thought, not to be right, but something shared with me a few years ago, for I too have studied the error of other "religions."Although, it may be a blessing to get a brief overview of other religions just to know where they are coming from and how to wittness more effectively without offending them immediatetely. I've come full circle, haven't I? The point being, I know some that spend a huge amount of time studying the religions of others, so they can disprove someone, when they can be buried in the word of God and recieve great blessings and witness effectively. Blessings in Christ,John S.
     
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    It is certainly true that the orginizational teachings of the Catholic Chruch are opposed to "righteousness by faith" alone. Yet, I speak softly--Isn't this a very broad and sweeping statement you make on all the Roman Catholics? Is it possible for one to be living up to the light they have and have a complete devotion to God? (Romans 1:20). I don't believe it's the knowledge we don't have that will be the destruction of souls, but the knowledge we persistantly, deliberately throw away of the Gospel of Christ. I have studied the teachings of the Roman Catholic church, having contact with them, and attending their church as a young boy. .... However, someone once told me that we need not study error and waste all of our time when we can be studying truth. It's like a three dollar bill. We know it's a counterfeit. By studying truth we will recognize error when thrown our way.Just a thought, not to be right, but something shared with me a few years ago, for I too have studied the error of other "religions."Although, it may be a blessing to get a brief overview of other religions just to know where they are coming from and how to wittness more effectively without offending them immediatetely. I've come full circle, haven't I? The point being, I know some that spend a huge amount of time studying the religions of others, so they can disprove someone, when they can be buried in the word of God and recieve great blessings and witness effectively. Blessings in Christ,John S.
    John, I was simply pointing out that it was wrong to catogorize Catholics with Christians. I too grew up in a Catholic church. I've read their Bibles and other documents, I've seen first hand their traditions and idolatry, etc. I was blessed that God guided me away from that false religion. I don't waste my time studying things I've already seen to be wrong. In fact I spend my days studing the Word of God and learning all I can. I am closer to Him now than I have ever been and I give witness to everyone I can. I however, will not stand by and allow my brothers and sisters in Christ to be mis-informed. I also will not allow Christianity to be disgraced by the claims of Catholics. I am just one person but I if I can get the Word of God through to even one other person then I am thankful.
     
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    John, I was simply pointing out that it was wrong to catogorize Catholics with Christians. I too grew up in a Catholic church. I've read their Bibles and other documents, I've seen first hand their traditions and idolatry, etc. I was blessed that God guided me away from that false religion. I don't waste my time studying things I've already seen to be wrong. In fact I spend my days studing the Word of God and learning all I can. I am closer to Him now than I have ever been and I give witness to everyone I can. I however, will not stand by and allow my brothers and sisters in Christ to be mis-informed. I also will not allow Christianity to be disgraced by the claims of Catholics. I am just one person but I if I can get the Word of God through to even one other person then I am thankful.
    Hi Jenn,We may be talking semantics. Please forgive if you feel I'm pushing. God has given us freedom of choice in the acceptance of the gospel of Christ. This message must be given, but while it must be given, we should be careful not to thrust and crowd and condemn those who have not the light that we have. We should not go out of our way to make hard thrusts at the Catholics. Among the Catholics there are many who are most conscientious Christians, and who walk in all the light that shines upon them, and God will work in their behalf. I'm not saying that's what you are doing, just making the point, because;"God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved" (John 3:17). Remember, this is not any kind of personal message necessarily just to you, it's a statement of faith to all who may need to know that Christ does not condemn the Catholics, he came to save them. God does not come with outward force, but with "meekness and gentleness." We are to share the "Good News" and we LET God do the heart work.Jenn, I appreciate your fervor for God, it has been lost by many. Blessings in Christ,John S.
     
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    I understand the freedom of choice and I am the last person who wants to force anything on anybody. I just don't want to see people make wrong choices as a result of being uninformed or misled. I disagree with your statement that there are Christians amoung the Catholics. No true Christian would be involved in that institution. If they are then it is because they are being lied to by their leaders and tricked into believing that they are pleasing God. Some of the Catholic Popes have admitted themselves that their church is not following the Word of God. They have publically confessed and asked forgiveness, but never changed their ways. That alone makes them liars and we are not to follow these leaders. I apologize if I am being harsh. As a Christian, God wants me to witness to others, even if it brings death.
     
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    Roman Catholics aren't Christians. They try to claim they are but even in this post you showed they are not. They do not follow the laws of God. Sure, nobody completely follows the laws because of our sin nature, but the Roman Catholics are a whole seperate religion from Christianity. I'm sure if you were to research this you would find just how different they are. I mean reaaly, they even have their own version of the Bible that is totally against the Word of God. If you want more info I'm sure my husband or I could give it to you, but I will not continue on this subject on your post without your permission.
    Jenn, you seem to be a nice person ( and you know there's a but. No, it'll be an and....)And you're writing in that red color...it is very hard to read. Maybe you could try a different colour?Okay, the hard part. I disagree with you about Roman Catholics not being Christians. You know of course, Christ came to save the lost and that he ate with sinners and tax collectors. I was brought up Catholic like so many but I left because of the many traditions of men I didn't agree with but there are Christians that are also Catholics. And don't forget we're not suspose to judge anyone. Even Apostle Paul said he couldn't even judge himself until the time when we all are judged at the Great White Throne Judgement.God can reach out and touch anyone anywhere. It's a miracle (!) and there are actually many Christians that happen to be Catholics. In fact not all of ( any denomination ) are Christians but there are Christians ( I'm sure ) in every denomination. 'nuff said.
     
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