We can either blindly accept the official story or begin to formulate our own decisions as to what's more plausible. A crazed lone gunman or a contrived plot to bolster national gun control?
Arnie Manitoba said:
I do not doubt there are efforts to control guns , healthcare , people , speech , climate carbons ..... these things are standard fare of the liberal-socialist-communest (sic) manifesto
Glad to see we can agree on some things, Arnie. However, the pertinent question in this thread is not whether the powers that be desires gun control (that's more or less a given) but could it be possible that massacres like Sandy Hook be specifically designed and fabricated in advance to further their liberal-socialist-communist agenda?
1. The 'official' story has the shooter using an AR-15 semi-automatic .223 caliber rifle as the main weapon. The Medical Examiner H. Wayne Carver II testified that he found many bullets in the bodies of the victims. A .223 rifle bullet travels at approximately 3,000 ft/sec and kindergartners don't have much body mass to hinder a projectile's penetration, yet he doesn't see many exit wounds? Later news reports from un-named Federal and state authorities say that FOUR HANDGUNS were removed from the school and NO RIFLE WAS USED. There was a Saiga 12 gauge shotgun with one round chambered which was later found in the trunk of the suspects car.
Arnie Manitoba said:
All the .223's I have ever shot disintegrated within the target ..... this is common knowledge within firearms circles ..... most projectiles mushroom and breakup on impact ..... the steel jacket military rounds are the ones who pass through several objects without breaking up
I'm also very familiar with frangible rounds, however, the laws of physics still apply to .223 bullets, i.e., there must be sufficient resistance to these rounds before significant deformation occurs. Firing high-powered rifles at close range at low mass targets will not result in major breakup of these bullets. Exit wounds would be more common than shrapnel fragmentation.
You also neglected to answer the second half of the above point regarding later revised reports that ONLY HANDGUNS were used in the attack. So the whole frangible .223 bullet argument is a moot point. Why does Coroner Carver say he “knows more about firearms than the average man” and "has removed more bullets from the small victim's bodies than he can count" yet he can't apparently tell the difference between 9mm, 10mm and .223 rounds. Why aren't there more exit wounds in such small mass targets?
2. Who was the guy the police arrested dressed in camo pants in the woods? And why did they put him in the front of the police car? There was also another man running away from the police into the woods. Who are these guys? The guy in the front seat must have had official credentials but he still ran from the police? One report has it that this guy is a tactical officer from another area but they never explain WHY he was at the scene and why does he run from the police!
Arnie Manitoba said:
unfriggin beleivable ... an emergency situation with reports of shooting in in or around a school and you wonder why people are running away ....
Perhaps your expert experience in LEO matters can explain why a tactical police officer would run away and flee from other policemen? Is this considered common practice for LEO tactical officers? And what is he doing there so soon in the first place?
3. Newtown, CT is the recruitment headquarters of Anton Lavey's Church of Satan. In several photos the Parker girls, Grace McDonnell and another adult pictured with Vitoria Soto are seen flashing the two-horned finger hand signs.
Arnie Manitoba said:
You've got to be kidding ..... try putting that info in front of an investigative hearing
This is a Christian Bible Study forum, Arnie, not some formal investigative hearing. We deal with the topic of satanic influences upon humans on a regular basis. As a regular poster in this Christian forum do you doubt the existence of Satan and his minions? Do you think it's just a coincidence that there were quite of number of horned hand signs were being flashed by several Sandy Hook participants?
4. Robbie Parker's interview looked like a staged performance of a smiling actor 'getting into character' before giving an emotional scene. (and he happens to work for a multi-national security firm). Another later photo shows him with a new haircut smirking in a limo at his daughter's funeral.
Arnie Manitoba said:
Not familiar with the photo .... most interviews are "staged" ... even by honest everyday people .... something overcomes people when they are on camera or on microphone .... stage fright is the biggest phobia in the world ..... very few people can be themselves in those situation .... none of this gives cause for conspiracy.
You don't find it a bit odd that there was not a single visible tear shed by any of the grieving parents? Stage fright? You've got to be joking. These smiling 'parents' all seem completely composed and able to articulate stories of their lost loved ones with the greatest of ease mere hours after their murder? There was little time to “stage” these interviews IF this was an actual REAL shooting incident.
I realize that certain people react differently in stressful situations but this doesn't explain how ALL of the interviews were utterly devoid of how most people react in times of great bereavement. No tears, no inability to formulate cogent sentences because of being overwhelmed with grief, no swollen eyes, no apparent loss of sleep, no hysterics. They ALL appear to be emotionally detached actors playing a part in a play.
5. The emotional Jew Gene Rosen's conflicting performances: The unnamed 'bus driver' is sometimes a man and sometimes a woman. Why didn't the bus driver just simply walk the children to the fire station next door rather than leave them with a stranger? One time Gene says he took the kids to the fire station, then he says the parents come to his house to be reunited with their parents.
6. Gene Rosen says he saw the casualty list two days before it's posted. He also happens to be an executive for a Cable TV company on which he created a program called "Fairy Tale Theater", there's photos of him at FEMA events and many of the "parents" also just happen to have theatrical backgrounds.
Arnie Manitoba said:
Your kidding right ??? ..... even the best "staged" movie scene requires endless rehearsals and multiple "takes" , plus lots of film splicing .... and you are saying that some cable guy did all this in one shot ????
I'm simply saying Gene Rosen's story: DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! As a LEO you are supposed to be trained to detect when someone is lying or fabricating fairy tales. If someone is telling the truth the statements they make should remain relatively consistent and dovetail nicely together with other known facts and coincide with the general timeline of events. Their basic story should remain relatively consistent even if they retell their story many times. Gene's facts and descriptions change regularly and therefore appear highly suspect. He's obviously lying or just plain too stupid to remember his lines.
7. Where is the video of the shooter approaching the school grounds? New security measures were supposedly installed at the school. Several news reports claim that Adam was buzzed into the school, Lt. Vance claims that he was not voluntarily let into the school.
Arnie Manitoba said:
Where is all the video of you the last time you walked into a school ??
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ere were MANY reports that the security measures at Sandy Hook were recently upgraded. They have security cameras everywhere these days (except apparently at the Pentagon on 9/11) and they are not all that expensive. Newtown is an affluent community and surveillance cameras are common to most secure locations. Where's the video footage?
8. How did the shooter(s) enter the building? No photos of the front door to the building, bullet holes, victims receiving triage or on stretchers? I've seen exactly ONE elderly woman who didn't appear to be severely wounded and ONE adult sized body covered on a stretcher. That's IT!
Arnie Manitoba said:
Are you expecting they should have lined everything up for a perfect photo shoot just for you ??? ..... that is no different than me saying you are not inside a building at this very moment because the news media did not give me a picture of your door , and video of you walking through that door ....
I'm not asking for perfection here, Arnie. Just SOME plausible evidence to validate the implausible claims made by the official story and there's precious little verification available. No blood, no bodies, no police/EMT's losing their cookies, no frantic commotion, no tears and no realistic scenes of human grief anywhere.
9. There are MULTIPLE accounts of Sandy Hook Memorial Funds being posted days BEFORE the shooting. OK, maybe there's a legitimate reason for one or possibly two instances but there are about a half a dozen wrong dates posted associated with Sandy Hook victims.
10. Obama's fake tears (wiped away appropriately with his middle finger).
Arnie Manitoba said:
He learned that from Clinton .... whenever Bill was at a state funeral he would pull the "tear in the eye" routine whenever the cameras pointed his way
Hey, I despise most politicians, democrats OR republicans. You neglected to offer any explanation for all the pre-dated ready-to-roll contribution web sites. Time is $ and we musn't let any tragedy go to waste?
11. 'Sandy Hook' appearing in a screen shot of the latest Batman movie. The prop director for that movie just recently died in a car accident.
Arnie Manitoba said:
You've got to be kidding right ???? ..... what if your picture was caught at the end of the batman movie .... does that make you the killer ?? And if one of your buddies died in a car accident recently , that proves you are the sandy hook killer right !!!! this is beyond bizarre
I'm sure
you're aware of the massive coincidental body count in the Clinton administration? Many coincidences in politics aren't 'accidents'. What I'm saying is, that having the words “Sandy Hook” and “Aurora” appear in the same movie in which another mass shooting occurs and then having the prop director die soon after-wards in a traffic accident does IMO merit some serious inquiry.
12. One of the deceased children, Natalie Barden, just happened to have previously composed a letter to Obama pleading for more gun control measures and just happened to paint a surreal picture of an owl which was given to the president (owls are prominent in Illuminati symbolism).
Arnie Manitoba said:
This is retarded thinking ..... not investigative evidence whatsoever .... try put that nonsense in front of a jury
Again, this is NOT a trial (and even if it was, your side of the argument doesn't appear to have much support). How many six year old’s do you think care about social issues like gun control (i.e., unless they've been coached by activist adults)? They're usually much more concerned with Barbie dolls, Hanna Montana, cell phones or video games. These kids, IMO, are being used as expendable pawns in this farcical political ploy for public gun confiscation. It's disgusting!
13. No (or very few) wounded victims in a mass shooting? Statistically impossible especially if the shooter is an untrained psycho. Where's the video or testimony of the women with the wounded foot?
Arnie Manitoba said:
The bullets dont care if it is an expert or untrained psycho who pulled the trigger ..... and like the .223 ammo question earlier .... that type of ammo is designed to kill (disintegrate internally) .... not to wound.
Once again, the latest confirmed reports stated that ONLY FOUR HANDGUNS were involved. They don't make semi-automatic .223 handguns. And it would be foolish to ignore the flagrant discrepancies of the kill/wound ratios of ALL other mass shootings. The Sandy Hook numbers don't make sense. Wake up and smell the cordite, Arnie!
14. Ambulances and first responders completely blocked in and NONE prepared to give triage in the school parking lot. They were ALL 300 yards away at the firehouse.
Arnie Manitoba said:
Responders to a shooting like that do not know what is going on in the building or if it will spill out to a parking lot ..... what did you expect .... all the ambulance personnel should just walk into the building like it was a sunday stroll or something ???? .... it takes a long time to search and secure a building like that .... nobody would have any way of knowing if there was one or one hundred shooters in there .... or if students or teachers or janitors were involved ..... they have to suspect everyone until proven otherwise
The fact is, there we no ambulances seen in the school parking lot period. There were dozens and dozens of police mulling around and it didn't take all that long to clear the building (there was no shortage of police/SWAT present). The life signs of the victims are rapidly diminishing and there's no EMT's in sight. The ambulances were boxed in 300 yards away and they were never called to the school. It looks to me like they purposely didn't want many eyewitnesses to their fabricated NON-crime scene.
15. How could Principal Dawn Hochsprung make comments to the Newtown Bee newspaper describing the masked gunman entering the school after the incident and also be a deceased victim? "Sandy Hook School Principal Dawn Hochsprung told The Bee that a masked man entered the school with a rifle and started shooting multiple shows (shots?) – more than she could count – that went "on and on."
It is very rare for media to get anything right at the best of times
I agree with you there. But some reporter miraculously got the name “HOCHSPRUNG” spelled correctly during this supposed interview with a dead woman. Doesn't it strike you as odd that ALL the eyewitnesses to the gunman died? Only two wounded victims who saw nothing? What other mass attack did that occur? Someone appears to be deliberately dumping tons of misinformation. Why? It doesn't add up, Arnie.
...describe a purple van with the rear window blasted out with several occupants wearing ski masks and one dressed as a nun. The van was reported found abandoned but were prints ever run? Were any of these characters ever apprehended and questioned? One tall nun with large feet at the scene appears to constantly clutch something under her habit.
absolutely bizzare (sic)
Yes, you are correct, the official story and the video evidence is quite “bizarre” indeed!
The majority of these speculations are utter rubbish .... no need for me to cover them all .... unfriggin beleivable (sic) you should even slightly beleive (sic) them james ..... unfriggin beleivable
You have apparent difficulty with basic spelling (and can't be bothered to use spell check) , proper capitalization or able to comprehend punctuation rules for the end of sentences, so I'm not expecting much from debunkers of your meager caliber. You won't cover all the enumerated points I've mentioned because you can't explain them all without resorting to flippant retorts, ad hominem attacks or crude schoolyard phraseology.
Good day, Arnie!
