Satan As the Final Coming Antichrist

[Davy]

Some might ask, "How can that be, that Satan himself could be the final coming Antichrist at the end of this world?" Once properly understanding The Scriptures of God's Word pointing to Satan, it might surprise many brethren.

The following rules must be followed as per God's written Word:

Rule 1:
It is a Biblical fact that no flesh-born man has yet to be judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire" which only happens after God's Great White Throne Judgment at the end of Revelation 20.
ONLY... Satan and his angels have already been judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire" so far.

Rule 2:
The image of 'man' originates from our Heavenly Father's Own outward image likeness, not with flesh man (Gen.1:26-27). God created all angels with that same image of 'man', even though angels do not have flesh bodies (Genesis 18 & 19).

This means that, just as God's Word reveals that angels can appear here on earth among us without a flesh body, and even eat our food, likewise Satan can also. Satan's servants here on earth are ever busy portraying Lucifer like a ghost, or hidden spirit no one can see, almost as if he has no outward image at all, or as some evil nursery rhyme entity wearing red flannel underwear, with a goatee, and wielding a pitchfork. Men's imagination is just all over the place with how Satan has been portrayed. In God's parable about him in Ezekiel 28, God showed that He originally created Satan "perfect in beauty". That means Satan is actually a beautiful cherub. That programming by Lucifer's servants on earth will help Satan fool the world into seeing him as God having returned.

Rule 3:
The type body of the resurrection and world to come is a "spiritual body", not one of flesh (1 Corinthians 15:45-54).

A. "son of perdition" -- Lord Jesus applied this title to Judas Iscariot who betrayed Him. And in John 6:70 Jesus said Judas "is a devil".

But in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, Apostle Paul also used that "son of perdition" title for the coming "man of sin" that is to exalt himself in Jerusalem as God at the end of this world, even though Judas was already dead by then.

We still do not yet know if Judas will be judged to perish in the future "lake of fire" of Rev.20, because God's GWT Judgment is not yet. But we do... know Satan has already been judged and sentenced to 'perdition' in that future "lake of fire" (Matthew 25:41; Isaiah 30:31-33 with God using "the Assyrian" as a symbolic title for Satan.)
Which one then, Judas or Satan, does that "son of perdition" best apply to?

B. The "beast" that goes into "perdition" --

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

We already know that only Satan and his angels are already judged and sentenced to 'perdition' in the future "lake of fire" of Rev.20. So who is this 'beast' that "shall ascend out of the bottomless pit"? Who is the "angel of the bottomless pit"?

(Continued...)

 

[Davy]

Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
KJV

You do... realize that means a heavenly order entity, and not just some flesh person, right? You should. Who might be 'king' over that "bottomless pit", and what is that "bottomless pit" anyway? That bottomless pit is an expression for Satan's prison house in the heavenly dimension. Revelation 20:1-3 reveals when Jesus returns, Satan will be bound and sealed in that bottomless pit, also called Satan's "prison" in Rev.20:7.

The two titles above is about Satan, and most of the time we are told it simply means, 'the Destroyer'. But in reality, his title "Apollyon" from the Greek reveals a lot more, because Apollyon is from the Greek word for 'perdition', i.e., apollyumi (NT:622). Again, that idea is pointing to Satan himself as already having been judged and sentenced to 'perish' in the future "lake of fire" of Rev.20.

He also is the "eighth" beast king mentioned in Revelation 17...

Rev 17:10-11
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV

Apostle John in the above is outlining the antichrist beast kings of the past, and of his day, and our future. Five kings are already past history; the 6th one was in John's days (Roman emperor Domitian), and the 7th one is still yet to come in our day for the end of this world. That 7th one continues only for "a short space", because that is about the shortened time of the end Christ did for His elect's sake, regarding the future "great tribulation". That 8th beast king is for the end of Rev.20, once Satan is loosed out of his pit prison one final time to tempt the unsaved nations. Notice we are given that phrase "and goeth into perdition" as a hint to know Satan is being pointed to as that 8th beast king, as no flesh-born king has been judged yet.

Rev 11:7
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
KJV

Can that beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit be any flesh-born man? NO! of course not! That ascending out of the bottomless pit, which is the heavenly dimension, is a reference directly to Satan himself. That Scripture is a solid pointer to Satan, and no one else. He will kill God's "two witnesses" in Jerusalem, as written above. That also is why the "another beast" of Rev.13:11 which Apostle John pointed to is about Satan ascending out of the bottomless pit, because that "another beast" rises upon out of where? Out of the earth (Rev.13:11). That is the event we were warned about in the Book of Daniel for the end about the coming Antichrist...

Dan 7:20-22
20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
KJV

That's about the "little horn" that comes up among the "ten horns". We are shown that also in Rev.17:12-14. Notice especially that 22nd verse, which shows a time when Christ's coming will have happened, and the time for His saints to possess the kingdom, meaning Christ's future reign over all nations on earth, which is still future to us. Because that is mentioned, it means this "little horn" prophecy is about the final Antichrist at the end of this world.
In Daniel 8 we are given a view about this final Antichrist again, as the "king of fierce countenance" that will persecute the saints at the end of this world, destroying many using peace.

Those prophecies are about Satan himself coming as the final Antichrist at the end of this world. In Matthew 24:23-26 Jesus warned about the great signs and wonders he will do that IF... it were possible, would deceive even His very elect. And Apostle John remarked of that coming "another beast" at the end will work wonders and miracles, raining fire down to the earth in the sight of men, deceiving the whole world.

Rev 13:4-9
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
KJV

Those above Revelation 13:4-8 verses should be a definite eye-opener to the disciple of Jesus Christ, that is, if one recognizes the subjects in the previous Scripture pointing to Satan. In Revelation 12:9 and Revelation 20:2, we are told emphatically that "dragon" title belongs to Satan himself, and not any other. That is what is getting ready to come upon today's world for the end, literal false worship of Satan himself by the majority of this world. The only ones who will refuse... to worship that coming "dragon" will be those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life from the foundation of the world.

Therefore, like Jesus said, "If any man have an ear, let him hear".

 

[No Pre-TB]

Except this:

Rev 19
20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

—The beast of the sea and beast of the earth are in the lake of fire before the GWTJ. Satan is not with them because he is not the Antichrist.

Rev 20
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

—Satan will be in the bottomless pit for 1k years while the beasts of sea and earth are in the lake of fire. Satan doesn’t enter the lake of fire with them till after the 1k years. The man of sin is the beast of the earth, not Satan. Do a compare and contrast with Rev 13:12-15, Daniel 7 and 2 Thess 2:9-11

 

[Davy]

Except this:

Rev 19
20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

—The beast of the sea and beast of the earth are in the lake of fire before the GWTJ. Satan is not with them because he is not the Antichrist.

Rev 20
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

—Satan will be in the bottomless pit for 1k years while the beasts of sea and earth are in the lake of fire. Satan doesn’t enter the lake of fire with them till after the 1k years. The man of sin is the beast of the earth, not Satan. Do a compare and contrast with Rev 13:12-15, Daniel 7 and 2 Thess 2:9-11

There are 2 different 'beasts' described in the Revelation 13 chapter, and also in the Revelation 17 chapter. I find that many cannot distinguish between the two, and are in the deceived habit of miss-assigning the 'beast' title.

The Rev.13:11 "another beast" is about Satan as a 'beast' king over that Rev.13:1 beast kingdom of ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. That "another beast" is also the "false prophet", which again is a ROLE that Satan will play. This is why the ROLES of the 'beast' (both king and kingdom), along with the ROLE of the false prophet, go into the "lake of fire" on the 'day' of Christ's return.

Rule no.1 applies per Scripture, no flesh-born man is judged and sentenced to perish in the "lake of fire" until after Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20. That is why the 'beast' king and false prophet cannot be flesh men, but only ROLES in a play that Satan ("dragon") will fulfill for the end of this world. And note that Rev.19:20 does not show the "dragon" (Satan) going into the "lake of fire" with the beast and false prophet. Instead, Satan ("dragon") will be locked in his pit prison during Christ's future "thousand years" reign over the nations with His elect.

 

[Davy]

—Satan will be in the bottomless pit for 1k years while the beasts of sea and earth are in the lake of fire. Satan doesn’t enter the lake of fire with them till after the 1k years. The man of sin is the beast of the earth, not Satan. Do a compare and contrast with Rev 13:12-15, Daniel 7 and 2 Thess 2:9-11

Satan is... the "man of sin" of 2 Thess.2:3-4. That role of coming to exalt himself as God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshipped, like Apostle Paul said there, is the specific first sin that Satan did in coveting God's throne for himself. Couple that with the signs of working wonders and miracles that Paul also pointed to there in 2 Thess.2, and it points directly to Satan himself here on earth in plain sight, deceiving the whole world playing God. Paul even pointed to Satan with the phrase, "that Wicked" one, which the KJV translators obviously picked up on with capitalizing that word wicked into a pronoun name.

And who was guilty of the very first sin, ever? Satan, when he coveted God's Throne that was his job to guard. This is not really all that difficult to grasp in God's written Word if one stops listening to Satan's host that throw out junk Bible teachings to deceive the gullible.

The "another beast" that comes up out of the "earth" is a reference to Satan as the "angel of the bottomless pit". And Rev.11 points to Satan as that 'beast' that ascends from the bottomless pit to kill God's two witnesses in Jerusalem. I'm surprised at so many brethren that miss that point in Rev.11, because one ascending from the bottomless pit can never... mean a flesh person.

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

 

[Davy]

Another point about that one of Rev.11 that ascends out of the bottomless pit, is that it mentions how he will "make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them", meaning God's "two witnesses" in Jerusalem that prophesy against the 'beast' at the end of for 1260 days.

Where else were we told about the final Antichrist coming to make war against the saints at the end of this world? ...

Rev 13:4-9
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
KJV

That Rev.13:4-9 Scripture even reveals who that is which will 'make war with the saints, and to overcome them'. It is the "dragon", which is Satan himself those will worship in place of Christ. That is who that above is pointing to that will overcome the saints at the end. Thus that working will not only... be against God's "two witnesses" that appear in Jerusalem for the end, but upon all the saints during the coming "great tribulation".

Likewise in the Book of Daniel we were warned about that Antichrist for the end making war with the saints...

Dan 7:20-22
20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
KJV

Dan 7:24-25
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
KJV

Dan 8:24
24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
KJV

Rev 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV

That above Rev.12:17 verse is specifically... pointing to Christ's Church of BOTH believing Israelite, and believing Gentile. Notice it shows "the dragon" (Satan) himself making that war against the Church at the end of this world. (The Rev.12:14-16 verses point to the latter half of Daniel's symbolic "one week", i.e. the latter 1260 days.)

I hate to sound like I'm belittling brethren for not grasping these things in God's written Word, but it's not my fault many listen to men's traditions instead of becoming a disciplined disciple in Christ Jesus with keeping His Word, and not man's word. How many times must Lord Jesus reveal the coming false one is going to be Satan ("dragon") himself making war with the saints at the end of this world?

 

[No Pre-TB]

Satan is... the "man of sin"

Was Judas Satan? Who was called the son of perdition or destruction. I don’t believe so and neither will the man of sin be Satan, but a “man” of sin just like Judas.

13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Satan as the dragon is separate from the false prophet. Scripture in this context makes it clear.

The false prophet is a man that will be in the lake of fire before the GWTJ.

 

[Timtofly]

Was Judas Satan? Who was called the son of perdition or destruction. I don’t believe so and neither will the man of sin be Satan, but a “man” of sin just like Judas.

13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Satan as the dragon is separate from the false prophet. Scripture in this context makes it clear.

The false prophet is a man that will be in the lake of fire before the GWTJ.

All three are seperate. But all will look like human males. You don't think Satan will look like a dragon, do you?

"And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

Do you think a human male can also look normal with two Lamb horns? Can a man sound like a dragon? I doubt he will have the torso of a man and a body of a horse, but Satan will look like a human and will be a beast that commands respect and authority. How Satan looks may or may not be the symbolism John used. I don't think that John is implying that Satan will be a literal dragon.

My interpretation is that all will look human in many ways, but 2 will be beasts, and only the FP is an actual human. The image that is given life is the beast in Revelation 16. It will look human, because it was built to look like mankind. In Revelation 13, the FP is the mouth or spokesman of the beast out of the sea. The FP is not one of the heads, but the mouth or voice. The beast of the sea represents the governmental empires from Babylon to the 6th head at the time of the Second Coming. It is the same as the 7 headed dragon, and the scarlet beast of Revelation 17.

"And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months."

The mouth is the FP.

 

[Davy]

Was Judas Satan? Who was called the son of perdition or destruction. I don’t believe so and neither will the man of sin be Satan, but a “man” of sin just like Judas.

13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Satan as the dragon is separate from the false prophet. Scripture in this context makes it clear.

The false prophet is a man that will be in the lake of fire before the GWTJ.

No, Judas was not Satan, even though Jesus called Judas the "son of perdition". Jesus called Judas "a devil" in John 6:70 though. So what about that?

When Apostle Paul pointed to the "man of sin" with the "son of perdition" idea, Judas had already been long dead. And the fact that Jesus also called Judas "a devil" points directly to Judas being one of the "many antichrists", with Satan as 'the' "antichrist".

Something you forget, NO FLESH MAN IS SENTENCED to the "lake of fire" until AFTER Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20. God's Great White Throne Judgment must happen first, and that ain't until after... Jesus has returned, and reigned with His elect over the unsaved nations for a 1,000 years. So not even Judas has been sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire" yet today.

Therefore,... IF... the 'beast' and 'false prophet' of Rev.19:20 are flesh men, then HOW is it they perish in the "lake of fire" PRIOR to God's GWT Judgment?

And because Apostle Paul, regarding that "man of sin", pointed to the same works that Jesus did in Matthew 24:23-26 about the coming pseudo-Christ, and is also a link to the works of the "another beast" of Rev.13, that reveals that "man of sin" will be Satan himself, working miracles upon the earth. Is this not what the Rev.16:13-14...

Rev 16:13-14
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
KJV

Is there some reason why you left out that 14th verse above which goes with Rev.16:13, showing Satan as that "dragon" working those miracles? Per Rev.12:9 we are told that "dragon" title is another name for Satan himself.

 

[Davidpt]

Something you forget, NO FLESH MAN IS SENTENCED to the "lake of fire" until AFTER Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20. God's Great White Throne Judgment must happen first, and that ain't until after... Jesus has returned, and reigned with His elect over the unsaved nations for a 1,000 years. So not even Judas has been sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire" yet today.

Speaking for myself, I tend to think Matthew 25 disagrees with you since that judgment is before or at the beginning of the thousand years, and that it indicates that the goats go into everlasting punishment, obviously meaning the LOF. IOW, the goats meant in Matthew 25 won't be at the great white throne judgment after the thousand years because they will already be in the LOF before or at the beginning of the thousand years.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:


This is obviously meaning the 2nd coming in the end of this age. What does it indicate happens at that time?

Matthew 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels :
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

How does it make sense if this judgment is meaning when He initially returns, that it is not until the great white throne judgment a thousand years later that verse 41 and 46 are fulfilled? If they are not in the LOF during the thousand years, where are they then? Does not the text indicate that Jesus tells them at that time, not a thousand years later instead, to depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels? What happens to them at that point then? They obviously won't be among those dwelling on the earth during the millennium if He is telling them to depart from Him.

 

[No Pre-TB]

Rev 19
20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Where is Satan when the false prophet is cast into the Lake of fire?

Rev 20
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Satan is bound for the same duration as when Christ begins to reign. 1,000 years.

Rev 20:7
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison

And when Satan is caught and defeated...

Rev 20
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Satan cannot be the false prophet in the lake of fire before the GWTJ and also bound for 1k years in the bottomless pit. Verse 10 makes it clear, he is thrown into the lake of fire after the 1k years where the beast and the false prophet have been for 1k years.

We can go in circles, but I'll stick with the basic text.

 

[Davy]

Speaking for myself, I tend to think Matthew 25 disagrees with you since that judgment is before or at the beginning of the thousand years, and that it indicates that the goats go into everlasting punishment, obviously meaning the LOF. IOW, the goats meant in Matthew 25 won't be at the great white throne judgment after the thousand years because they will already be in the LOF before or at the beginning of the thousand years.

If I were teaching you how to cook, and I first taught you how to properly break an egg, but later deeper into the course I showed you how eggs are used in various recipes, how would that relate to that Matthew 25 prophecy?

It's simple, in Matthew 25 Lord Jesus gave us a short summary about events involving His future return. But in other Bible Chapters, like Revelation 20, He went into much more detail about those events.

So what are you going to do, just stop at having learned how to break the egg (short summary of Matt.25), and not how eggs are used in later recipes (details of Rev.20) ? And I haven't even mentioned that there's also more details of those Matt.25 events written in the Old Testament prophets!

We have to take ALL... of God's Word into account, not select bits and pieces and interpret it how we want.

 

[Timtofly]

It's simple, in Matthew 25 Lord Jesus gave us a short summary about events involving His future return. But in other Bible Chapters, like Revelation 20, He went into much more detail about those events.

Matthew 25 has more detail about a judgment than Revelation 20 gives. Matthew 25 is not either of the two judgments in Revelation 20.

Matthew 25 is about living people alive on the earth at the time of the Second Coming.

Revelation 20:4 is about physically dead people. Those who were beheaded. Revelation 20:11 is about dead people in sheol, death, and the sea.

There is a huge difference between the chapters. One is about people who have yet to physically die. The other is about people who have already physically died.

Matthew 25 gives us 3 summaries of people alive at the time of the Second Coming. Revelation 20:11 is about the dead from all time since Adam and Eve had children. That is the only time those souls waiting in sheol since Adam and Eve are judged.

 

[Davy]

Matthew 25 has more detail about a judgment than Revelation 20 gives. Matthew 25 is not either of the two judgments in Revelation 20.

Now you well know your statement above is not true.

When Rev.20 reveals exactly who reigns with Jesus over those nations, and then after the 1,000 years Satan is loosed to tempt those nations, what does that reveal about His judgment of those nations at His coming, at the beginning of that 1,000 years?

The answer is simple, it reveals those nations are SEPARATED from Him and His elect of the "first resurrection" that will reign with Him OVER... those UNSAVED nations, for the 1,000 years shown there.

And what is shown in the Matthew 25 Scripture about those nations in Christ's summary there? It is shown how at His future return His elect ("sheep") are SEPARATED from those unsaved nations ("goats"). It just doesn't have mention of that "thousand years" period of reign, but the Rev.20 Scripture does, thusly...

... you CANNOT delete the Rev.20 "thousand years" reign by Christ and His elect of the "first resurrection" over the unsaved nations just because Matthew 25 does not mention that detail. And that is exactly what you are trying to do.

 

[Timtofly]

Now you well know your statement above is not true.

When Rev.20 reveals exactly who reigns with Jesus over those nations, and then after the 1,000 years Satan is loosed to tempt those nations, what does that reveal about His judgment of those nations at His coming, at the beginning of that 1,000 years?

The answer is simple, it reveals those nations are SEPARATED from Him and His elect of the "first resurrection" that will reign with Him OVER... those UNSAVED nations, for the 1,000 years shown there.

And what is shown in the Matthew 25 Scripture about those nations in Christ's summary there? It is shown how at His future return His elect ("sheep") are SEPARATED from those unsaved nations ("goats"). It just doesn't have mention of that "thousand years" period of reign, but the Rev.20 Scripture does, thusly...

... you CANNOT delete the Rev.20 "thousand years" reign by Christ and His elect of the "first resurrection" over the unsaved nations just because Matthew 25 does not mention that detail. And that is exactly what you are trying to do.

The goats are cast into the LOF at the Second Coming before the 1,000 years even starts. Only the sheep live during the 1,000 years producing more sheep. Sheep don't beget goat offspring. Sheep beget sheep offspring. There are no goats period, during the Day of the Lord. Matthew 25 declares there will be no goats in the time frame of those thousand years mentioned in Revelation 20. They are not separated after the millennium. They are separated before the millennium even starts.

The sheep: Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

The sheep inherit the earth for the Millennium.

The goats: Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

The goats are in the LOF during the Millennium.

Jesus does not take 1,000 years to seperate the goats from the sheep. This judgment is called the time of Jacob's trouble. The sheep are the remnant of Israel, the goats are of Jacob who are rejected by God. You know that period of time you deny Jesus and the angels are on the earth, some call the Great Tribulation. This GT is not for the church. This time is the judgment of Israel where the blindness is removed from the sheep, and a remnant is redeemed. The goats are those of Jacob cast immediately into the LOF. Not all of Jacob will be saved. Only a remnant of Jacob will be saved, and that will be all of Israel, the sheep who inherit their land under King Jesus for the Millennial Kingdom.

Israel inherits the earth. The church inherits the New Jerusalem. But the church waits in Paradise until the end of the Millennium. The sheep and goats are about Jacob and a remnant called Israel. The sheep and goats are not about the church and unbelievers. You cannot replace the church already in Paradise, with the Israel who inherit and live on the earth with their King from the lineage of David. The church is every one from all ages. Israel is only one nation among hundreds of nations.

 

[Davy]

The goats are cast into the LOF at the Second Coming before the 1,000 years even starts. Only the sheep live during the 1,000 years producing more sheep. Sheep don't beget goat offspring. Sheep beget sheep offspring. There are no goats period, during the Day of the Lord. Matthew 25 declares there will be no goats in the time frame of those thousand years mentioned in Revelation 20. They are not separated after the millennium. They are separated before the millennium even starts.

The sheep: Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

The sheep inherit the earth for the Millennium.

The goats: Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

The goats are in the LOF during the Millennium.

Jesus does not take 1,000 years to seperate the goats from the sheep. This judgment is called the time of Jacob's trouble. The sheep are the remnant of Israel, the goats are of Jacob who are rejected by God. You know that period of time you deny Jesus and the angels are on the earth, some call the Great Tribulation. This GT is not for the church. This time is the judgment of Israel where the blindness is removed from the sheep, and a remnant is redeemed. The goats are those of Jacob cast immediately into the LOF. Not all of Jacob will be saved. Only a remnant of Jacob will be saved, and that will be all of Israel, the sheep who inherit their land under King Jesus for the Millennial Kingdom.

Israel inherits the earth. The church inherits the New Jerusalem. But the church waits in Paradise until the end of the Millennium. The sheep and goats are about Jacob and a remnant called Israel. The sheep and goats are not about the church and unbelievers. You cannot replace the church already in Paradise, with the Israel who inherit and live on the earth with their King from the lineage of David. The church is every one from all ages. Israel is only one nation among hundreds of nations.

Mostly hogwash above.

The Matt.25 separation between Christ's "sheep" and the "goats" is a simple judgment when Jesus returns, of dividing the righteous from the wicked. Rev.20, Isaiah 24:21-22, Zech.14; reveal the unsaved nations STILL EXIST! Only after... the future "thousand years" reign by Christ and His elect over those unsaved is when God's GWT Judgment happens that determines who is cast into the "lake of fire".

The casting into the "lake of fire", called the "second death" in Rev.20, ONLY happens AFTER Christ's "thousand years" reign which that reign only begins at His future return on the final day of this present world.

1. Christ's return -- "day of the Lord", last day of this world, resurrection happens.
2. Christ begins His "thousand years" reign over the unsaved nations still subject to the "second death", i.e., the "goats" that He separates from His "sheep".
3. Christ's elect reign with Him for that "thousand years". Everyone else will stand in judgment throughout the "thousand years".
4. Satan is locked in his pit prison for that "thousand years".
5. After the "thousand years", Satan is loosed one final time to go tempt the unsaved nations.
6. A portion of the unsaved nations will follow Satan in going up against the "camp of the saints" ON EARTH. God in Heaven will rain fire down upon Satan and his host, destroyed them; Satan is cast into the "lake of fire".
7. The Books are opened, and the unsaved are judged at God's Great White Throne Judgment. Those who's names are not written in the book of life are cast into the "lake of fire", along with the abode of hell, and death.
8. Then God's new heavens and a new earth time will begin.