Saved to perish?

[Joseph77]

I'm working on it in my style, or are you going to gripe about my M.O.?

I think I like it actually -
everything is tested before being accepted still....

 

[Joseph77]

The Gospel doesn't contain the word 'could'.

Quote the Gospel you are referring to.

 

[Joseph77]

I am sinning and in danger of going to hell."

Note: this is not the Gospel , not even paraphrased.

It could be real - it is subject to testing before being accepted.

 

[prism]

Quote the Gospel you are referring to.

Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
(1Co 15:1-4)

Which is a summary of Romans 1-3...esp 3

 

[prism]

Note: this is not the Gospel , not even paraphrased.

It could be real - it is subject to testing before being accepted.

I never claimed it to be the Gospel.

 

[Joseph77]

I never claimed it to be the Gospel.

The Gospel doesn't contain the word 'could'.

......

 

[Joseph77]

Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
(1Co 15:1-4)
Which is a summary of Romans 1-3...esp 3

The Gospel preached to you, which you received, COULD be in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, IF YOU HOLD FAST TO THE WORD I PREACHED TO YOU

unless you believed in vain...

i.e. it COULD be of no good effect

 

[prism]

The Gospel preached to you, which you received, COULD be in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, IF YOU HOLD FAST TO THE WORD I PREACHED TO YOU

unless you believed in vain...

i.e. it COULD be of no good effect

Ok, so you are saying we must add 'our holding fast' to what Christ has done in order to be saved?
IOW, faith in the Gospel.

 

[Joseph77]

Ok, so you are saying we must add 'our holding fast' to what Christ has done in order to be saved?
IOW, faith in the Gospel.

Who said "IF YOU ENDURE TO THE END ?"
Jesus ....
I agree with Jesus.

 

[Joseph77]

(Jesus does NOT take away your free will before you physically die - so you can choose who you will follow until then... up to a point... , all as detailed in the Gospel.)

 

[prism]

Who said "IF YOU ENDURE TO THE END ?"
Jesus ....
I agree with Jesus.

But not with Paul?

 

[Joseph77]

But not with Paul?

Non sequitur, so you may have to
quote Scripture ,
or explain what you mean.

 

[prism]

(Jesus does NOT take away your free will before you physically die - so you can choose who you will follow until then... up to a point... , all as detailed in the Gospel.)

Let's not get into free will...For it is God who works in us both to will and do
of His good pleasure.

 

[prism]

Non sequitur, so you may have to
quote Scripture ,
or explain what you mean.

We were referring to Paul in 1Cor 11 and you slipped in Jesus speaking to the Jews about the Tribulation, not the Gospel.

 

[Joseph77]

Let's not get into free will...For it is God who works in us both to will and do
of His good pleasure.

If you do not have free will, then it is or will be no use to have any discussion with you - it would mean you cannot be saved at all.... or being saved are just a bot (as noted in the last week - bots can and do carry on conversations, like the well known alexa, et al, and many of the bots are every day more in number than the members signed in )

 

[Joseph77]

We were referring to Paul in 1Cor 11 and you slipped in Jesus speaking to the Jews about the Tribulation, not the Gospel.

What ?
(quote in context)
What you are saying is not correct as far as I can tell from this post and a few others...

 

[prism]

If you do not have free will, then it is or will be no use to have any discussion with you - it would mean you cannot be saved at all.... or being saved are just a bot (as noted in the last week - bots can and do carry on conversations, like the well known alexa, et al, and many of the bots are every day more in number than the members signed in )

Do you turn every thread into a free-will (Arminian/Calvin) debate? No thanks.

 

[Joseph77]

Do you turn every thread into a free-will (Arminian/Calvin) debate? No thanks.

Never even thought of it - no. If you think or trust one or the other of those two groups, woe to you.

 

[Joseph77]

No matter what policit group, or religious group, or any group you are in ,

If you do not have free will, then it is or will be no use to have any discussion with you - it would mean you cannot be saved at all.... or being saved are just a bot (as noted in the last week - bots can and do carry on conversations, like the well known alexa, et al, and many of the bots are every day more in number than the members signed in )

 

[prism]

What ?
(quote in context)
What you are saying is not correct as far as I can tell from this post and a few others...

We were talking about the Gospel as spelled out by Paul in 1Cor 11:1-4 and now you switched gears to Jesus speaking about the Great Trib. And now you say, "What you are saying is not correct as far as I can tell ". Adios amigo.