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Yes, without water.

Like this..

"Abraham BELIEVED GOD, and it "IT", (his Faith)., was credited to Him as Righteousness".

See that?

We give, Faith in CHRIST....., and God responds with "the gift of Salvation".

No water pours out of Heaven.
Notice?
He's not in the fish tank.

Jesus is the LIVING Water, who lives IN the Born again.

So, "Abraham is the Father of OUR Faith"......because the born again have given God "Like faith".....the same.....and God accepts it.

Result?

"Faith is counted"
"Justification by Faith".
"without faith, its impossible to please God"

And someone who is confused by JAMES says...>"but can faith save us"?

And the answer is.....NO......because Faith is not the SAVIOR.
Jesus is the MEANS....by which God SAVES us.
"blood atonement" "Gift of Righteousness".

God is the SAVIOR... He saves us THROUGH our Faith......

See, many are trusting in Faith......as if Faith hung on the Cross.

I hear confused believers all the time say to me...>"well, as long as i hold unto my faith, i stay saved, i'll go to Heaven".

No you wont. As FAITH is not your savior.... You're trusting in FAITH, and that is not literally to trust in Christ.
This misunderstanding is generally a confused CHRISTian, as most unbelievers have no idea what "faith in Christ" even means.... to begin with, or why God requires faith.

Jesus said, "you must be born again"....

See, Its God who holds unto us by Spiritual Birth,.....:"born again".... because we gave Him our faith in Christ ONE TIME, and then He performs this, forever.

Philippians 1:6
 
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Yes, without water.

Like this..

"Abraham BELIEVED GOD, and it "IT", (his Faith)., was credited to Him as Righteousness".

See that?

We give, Faith in CHRIST....., and God responds with "the gift of Salvation".

No water pours out of Heaven.
Notice?
He's not in the fish tank.

Jesus is the LIVING Water, who lives IN the Born again.

So, "Abraham is the Father of OUR Faith"......because the born again have given God "Like faith".....the same.....and God accepts it.

Result?

"Faith is counted"
"Justification by Faith".
"without faith, its impossible to please God"

And someone who is confused by JAMES says...>"but can faith save us"?

And the answer is.....NO......because Faith is not the SAVIOR.
Jesus is the MEANS....by which God SAVES us.
"blood atonement" "Gift of Righteousness".

God is the SAVIOR... He saves us THROUGH our Faith......

See, many are trusting in Faith......as if Faith hung on the Cross.

I hear confused believers all the time say to me...>"well, as long as i hold unto my faith, i stay saved, i'll go to Heaven".

No you wont. As FAITH is not your savior.... You're trusting in FAITH, and that is not literally to trust in Christ.
This misunderstanding is generally a confused CHRISTian, as most unbelievers have no idea what "faith in Christ" even means.... to begin with, or why God requires faith.

Jesus said, "you must be born again"....

See, Its God who holds unto us by Spiritual Birth,.....:"born again".... because we gave Him our faith in Christ ONE TIME, and then He performs this, forever.

Philippians 1:6


You wrote: "We give, Faith in CHRIST....., and God responds with "the gift of Salvation"." That is making faith something you gave to merit the gift of salvation. WRONG! Faith itself is God's gift to the elect.

"For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake," (Phil 1:29, RSV)

"And when he wished to cross to Acha′ia, the brethren encouraged him, and wrote to the disciples to receive him. When he arrived, he greatly helped those who through grace had believed," (Acts 18:27, RSV)

"His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, that through these you may escape from the corruption that is in the world because of passion, and become partakers of the divine nature." (2Pet 1:3-4, RSV)
 
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You wrote: "We give, Faith in CHRIST....., and God responds with "the gift of Salvation"." That is making faith something you gave to merit the gift of salvation.


No, its simply meeting the requirement that God accepts.

Its this..

"without faith its IMPOSSIBLE to please God"..

= "All that BELIEVE"

A.) BELIEVE

This does not "merit" God's Salvation, as we can't merit forgiveness, as Grace is the "unmerited favor of God".

However, God requires our FAITH, that He accepts, as "Faith is counted as (Christ's) Righteousness'"

Notice : 'Abraham BELIEVED GOD - (gave God his Faith), and it was counted to Him as Righteousness".

"Abraham is the FATHER of our Faith" = all the born again
 
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Acts 22:16

16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Yes, it was salsa he was baptized in not water.
 

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If water bsptism saves you then who needs Jesus?? THINK!!

Bullseye.

A.) Jesus could have stayed in Heaven if any of this LIST could save us..

1.) Water Baptism
2.) Sacraments
3.) Commandments
4.) The Law
5.) Holding unto faith
6.). Enduring to the end of the Great Tribulation.... Matthew 24:13
7.) Trying to Be like Christ
8.) Self Effort
9.) Mary's prayers
10.) Being a Martyr


Here is Your Salvation, and Thank God for it.


= God, virgin born.... became one of us to offer His own BLOOD and BODY, for our SIN, ... John 3:16....so that our SIN that is separating us all from HIM< can be forgiven and forgotten, as if we never sinned.

"God hath made JESUS to be SIN for us"... as "the ONE TIME Eternal Sacrifice for our Sin".

Welcome : To Salvaton

Its a : eternal GIFT
 
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Acts 22:16

16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Yes, it was salsa he was baptized in not water.


So, you believe that God uses the city water supply to save you.

Listen,

The same person, Paul.. said...

"Christ sent me not to Water Baptize".

Here is the reality..

"without the Shedding of BLOOD< there is no FORGIVENESS/Remission of Sin".

And God should know, as He Died on the Cross, as Jesus, shedding His Blood.. for our SIN.

Water only gets you wet on the outside.
Its the Holy Blood of Jesus, that is God's eternal Cleansing power of ALL your SIN = that is found on the inside of you where you chose to commit it.
 
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So, you believe that God uses the city water supply to save you.

Listen,

The same person, Paul.. said...

"Christ sent me not to Water Baptize".

Here is the reality..

"without the Shedding of BLOOD< there is no FORGIVENESS/Remission of Sin".

And God should know, as He Died on the Cross, as Jesus, shedding His Blood.. for our SIN.

Water only gets you wet on the outside.
Its the Holy Blood of Jesus, that is God's eternal Cleansing power of ALL your SIN = that is found on the inside of you where you chose to commit it.
No, any water, spring, creek, the Jordan River, etc. You're baptized into Christ. That's the method of becoming part of the body of Christ, by being baptized into it which is the church.
 

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No, any water, spring, creek, the Jordan River, etc. You're baptized into Christ.

You're baptized into water.
Christ is not "earth water."
Didnt you know?

See, there is "ONE Baptism", just like there is "ONE FAITH" that is REAL., regarding becoming a Son/Daughter of God.

God is A Spirit, the Holy Spirit.
He has to baptize us, with HIS Spirit, that is REGENERATION, ..= Spiritual BIRTH.
This is to become : Born again, as a NEW CREATION "in Christ"

Water can't do that for you, as its just Water.
Never Teach that water saves, because that is denying that The Cross of Christ is God's Atonement.

you dont want to continue to be that one, @DJT_47
 
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You're baptized into water.
Christ is not "earth water."
Didnt you know?

See, there is "ONE Baptism", just like there is "ONE FAITH" that is REAL., regarding becoming a Son/Daughter of God.

God is A Spirit, the Holy Spirit.
He has to baptize us, with HIS Spirit, that is REGENERATION, ..= Spiritual BIRTH.
This is to become : Born again, as a NEW CREATION "in Christ"

Water can't do that for you, as its just Water.
Never Teach that water saves, because that is denying that The Cross of Christ is God's Atonement.

you dont want to continue to be that one, @DJT_47
You very obviously don't understand scripture at all.
 

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You very obviously don't understand scripture at all.

The New Covenant.

Is the Cross of Christ that is the "blood atonement".

God became a Man, .. Jesus on the Cross, who shed His Blood for your sin.

For this to be applied to you, you give God your faith in Christ, and He will give you this "REDEMPTION"
This is your SALVATION.

Once you have received it, "the GIFT of Salvation"... you are now "made free from sin"... and you are like the Eunuch in Acts 8, who "believed with all His Heart", = FIRST..... and his "faith is counted by God as (Christ's) righteousness",.... and THEN He was allowed by Philip to get into the Water and be immersed.
 
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Acts 22:16

16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Yes, it was salsa he was baptized in not water.
22:16 "be baptized and wash away your sins"

These are both AORIST MIDDLE IMPERATIVES. This is an OT allusion to the ceremonial ablutions (cf. Lev. 11:25,28,40; 13:6,34,56; 14:8-9; 15:5-13,21-22,27; 16:26,28; 17:15-16; Num. 8:7,21; 19:19; Deut. 23:11). It is used here as a symbol of our spiritual cleansing in Christ (cf. 1 Cor. 6:11; Eph. 5:26; Titus 3:5; Heb. 10:22). Baptism was the early Church's public profession of faith.

Notice that the MIDDLE VOICE refers to both baptism (AORIST MIDDLE IMPERATIVE) and cleansing (AORIST MIDDLE IMPERATIVE). Paul could not wash away his sins, but he could baptize himself (Jewish practice for proselytes).


Often it is said that immersion is the only NT pattern (cf. Romans 6 and Colossians 2), but here baptism is linked to the metaphor of washing (cf. Acts 2:38; 1 Cor. 6:11; Eph. 5:26; Titus 3:5; Heb. 10:22).

Theologically 1 Pet. 3:21 shows that it is a symbol, not a sacrament!


Modern interpreters must be careful of basing too much on the MIDDLE or PASSIVE VOICE because these were merging into the PASSIVE form in Koine Greek.

Paul is said to have been baptized (PASSIVE) in Acts 9:18. The mode of Paul's baptism is not the issue, but his baptism itself is!

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


And be baptized every one of you (kai baptisthētō hekastos hūmōn). Rather, “And let each one of you be baptized.” Change of number from plural to singular and of person from second to third. This change marks a break in the thought here that the English translation does not preserve. The first thing to do is make a radical and complete change of heart and life. Then let each one be baptized after this change has taken place, and the act of baptism be performed “in the name of Jesus Christ” (en tōi onomati Iēsou Christou). In accordance with the command of Jesus in Mat_28:19 (eis to onoma). No distinction is to be insisted on between eis to onoma and en tōi onomati with baptizō since eis and en are really the same word in origin. In Act_10:48 en tōi onomati Iēsou Christou occurs, but eis to onoma in Act_8:16; Act_19:5. The use of onoma means in the name or with the authority of one as eis onoma prophētou (Mat_10:41) as a prophet, in the name of a prophet. In the Acts the full name of the Trinity does not occur in baptism as in Mat_28:19, but this does not show that it was not used. The name of Jesus Christ is the distinctive one in Christian baptism and really involves the Father and the Spirit. See note on Mat_28:19 for discussion of this point. “Luke does not give the form of words used in baptism by the Apostles, but merely states the fact that they baptized those who acknowledged Jesus as Messiah or as Lord” (Page).


Unto the remission of your sins (eis aphesin tōn hamartiōn hūmōn). This phrase is the subject of endless controversy as men look at it from the standpoint of sacramental or of evangelical theology.

In themselves the words can express aim or purpose for that use of eis does exist as in 1Co_2:7 eis doxan hēmōn (for our glory). But then another usage exists which is just as good Greek as the use of eis for aim or purpose. It is seen in Mat_10:41 in three examples eis onoma prophētou, dikaiou, mathētou where it cannot be purpose or aim, but rather the basis or ground, on the basis of the name of prophet, righteous man, disciple, because one is, etc. It is seen again in Mat_12:41 about the preaching of Jonah (eis to kērugma Iōna). They repented because of (or at) the preaching of Jonah. The illustrations of both usages are numerous in the N.T. and the Koiné[28928]š generally (Robertson, Grammar, p. 592). One will decide the use here according as he believes that baptism is essential to the remission of sins or not. My view is decidedly against the idea that Peter, Paul, or any one in the New Testament taught baptism as essential to the remission of sins or the means of securing such remission. So I understand Peter to be urging baptism on each of them who had already turned (repented) and for it to be done in the name of Jesus Christ on the basis of the forgiveness of sins which they had already received.
A.T. Robertson

Jam packed with information.
J.
 
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The New Covenant.

Is the Cross of Christ that is the "blood atonement".

God became a Man, .. Jesus on the Cross, who shed His Blood for your sin.

For this to be applied to you, you give God your faith in Christ, and He will give you this "REDEMPTION"
This is your SALVATION.

Once you have received it, "the GIFT of Salvation"... you are now "made free from sin"... and you are like the Eunuch in Acts 8, who "believed with all His Heart", = FIRST..... and his "faith is counted by God as (Christ's) righteousness",.... and THEN He was allowed by Philip to get into the Water and be immersed.
Acts 8:26-39 the facts

- The eunuch was preached Christ
- The eunuch asked about baptism in water because they were near water and what would hinder him from being baptized, so obviously, Philip also told him about baptism and its necessity to be saved
- Philip told him if believed he could be baptized
- the eunuch confessed his belief in Christ
- Philip baptized the eunuch

Pretty simple and straightforward. I suggest you read the text
 

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22:16 "be baptized and wash away your sins"

These are both AORIST MIDDLE IMPERATIVES. This is an OT allusion to the ceremonial ablutions (cf. Lev. 11:25,28,40; 13:6,34,56; 14:8-9; 15:5-13,21-22,27; 16:26,28; 17:15-16; Num. 8:7,21; 19:19; Deut. 23:11). It is used here as a symbol of our spiritual cleansing in Christ (cf. 1 Cor. 6:11; Eph. 5:26; Titus 3:5; Heb. 10:22). Baptism was the early Church's public profession of faith.

Notice that the MIDDLE VOICE refers to both baptism (AORIST MIDDLE IMPERATIVE) and cleansing (AORIST MIDDLE IMPERATIVE). Paul could not wash away his sins, but he could baptize himself (Jewish practice for proselytes).


Often it is said that immersion is the only NT pattern (cf. Romans 6 and Colossians 2), but here baptism is linked to the metaphor of washing (cf. Acts 2:38; 1 Cor. 6:11; Eph. 5:26; Titus 3:5; Heb. 10:22).

Theologically 1 Pet. 3:21 shows that it is a symbol, not a sacrament!


Modern interpreters must be careful of basing too much on the MIDDLE or PASSIVE VOICE because these were merging into the PASSIVE form in Koine Greek.

Paul is said to have been baptized (PASSIVE) in Acts 9:18. The mode of Paul's baptism is not the issue, but his baptism itself is!
The gospel is simple as God intended, so simple that the people in biblical times could understand it.

You've complicated and distorted it.
 

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The gospel is simple as God intended, so simple that the people in biblical times could understand it.

You've complicated and distorted it.
Acts 8:26-39 the facts

- The eunuch was preached Christ
- The eunuch asked about baptism in water because they were near water and what would hinder him from being baptized, so obviously, Philip also told him about baptism and its necessity to be saved
- Philip told him if believed he could be baptized
- the eunuch confessed his belief in Christ
- Philip baptized the eunuch


Yet I agree with your Scripture quotation.
J.
 
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Yes, without water.

Like this..

"Abraham BELIEVED GOD, and it "IT", (his Faith)., was credited to Him as Righteousness".

See that?

We give, Faith in CHRIST....., and God responds with "the gift of Salvation".

No water pours out of Heaven.
Notice?
He's not in the fish tank.

Jesus is the LIVING Water, who lives IN the Born again.

So, "Abraham is the Father of OUR Faith"......because the born again have given God "Like faith".....the same.....and God accepts it.

Result?

"Faith is counted"
"Justification by Faith".
"without faith, its impossible to please God"

And someone who is confused by JAMES says...>"but can faith save us"?

And the answer is.....NO......because Faith is not the SAVIOR.
Jesus is the MEANS....by which God SAVES us.
"blood atonement" "Gift of Righteousness".

God is the SAVIOR... He saves us THROUGH our Faith......

See, many are trusting in Faith......as if Faith hung on the Cross.

I hear confused believers all the time say to me...>"well, as long as i hold unto my faith, i stay saved, i'll go to Heaven".

No you wont. As FAITH is not your savior.... You're trusting in FAITH, and that is not literally to trust in Christ.
This misunderstanding is generally a confused CHRISTian, as most unbelievers have no idea what "faith in Christ" even means.... to begin with, or why God requires faith.

Jesus said, "you must be born again"....

See, Its God who holds unto us by Spiritual Birth,.....:"born again".... because we gave Him our faith in Christ ONE TIME, and then He performs this, forever.

Philippians 1:6
Right. Nobody should trust in "faith"--they should trust in Christ. But to do that they *must* have faith.

Nobody gets to heaven by being perfectly lawful. But they *must* be lawful, if they are truly choosing Christ.

It isn't our "choice" that saves us--Christ saves us. But we *must* choose.

To think that Paul taught that our righteousness is unnecessary in the scope of our Salvation is beyond ludicrous. In this he would not mean that we are earning our Salvation. It is simply *necessary* that we be lawful as a byproduct of our choosing Christ, of our choosing to put our faith in Christ. He has saved us, and to access that Salvation we exercise our faith in it--we choose him.

If you are to avoid Antinomianism you should acknowledge these things. It does no good to try to be "cute" about it.
 

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If water baptism saves you then who needs Jesus?? THINK!!
Those who believe that water baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation can't think past a handful of pet verses taken out of context and are unable to see anything beyond their biased church doctrine. If water baptism was absolutely required for salvation, then Jesus would have mentioned it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). Yet what is the 1 requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
 

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The gospel is simple as God intended, so simple that the people in biblical times could understand it.

You've complicated and distorted it.
The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the AL-sufficient means of our salvation. Simple! It's your watered-down gospel that is distorted.
 
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Nobody gets to heaven by being perfectly lawful. But they *must* be lawful, if they are truly choosing Christ.

WE are not saved by "choosing Christ" so, your cult commentary is wrong again , Randy.

We are saved by God, because we gave our Faith in Christ to God, and the BELIEVERS faith is "counted as righteousness".

So, Christianity has nothing to do with being "lawful".
Have you ever wondered why those who are "fallen from Grace", or not born again.... worry about law and real believers give God praise for His amazing Grace?
See....
"Christ is the end of the Law, for everyone who believes"
And, The Born again are "not under the Law, but under Grace".

Christianity is to be become a "new creation" in Christ.... and this is without the law, and not by works.
 
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