Saying you are without sin verses in 1 John
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amigo de christo
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You can bet it was not LUKE warm either . The lambs indeed look out for one another . THus allow me some parting words , for i say
them out of great love . Let no man , woman , or child follow this pope francis . nor his protestant daughters who do his will of unity .
Behold, what do you think the warning of Paul means when He commanded "Do not quench the Spirit." Who can quench the Spirit, other than someone who already has the Holy Spirit, which is a born again Spirit-filled Christian.
ScottA
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No...that would only be true of one who has not passed from death to life. That is not salvation. That is the misunderstanding of those who have not rightly divided the word of truth, and a lie of Satan.
What you quoted was Jesus telling those who had not yet been born again of the Spirit to endure until that time, which had not yet come.
Act_2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
1 Peter 4:6
1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
J.
One thing here we do agree on which shocked me at the time I realized it, was that I had been in Christianity for 30 years attending church, and believing I was saved, but I wasn't. It wasn't until I was filled with the Holy Spirit when I was 30 that I became born again.
How about you? Do you know for sure you are born again. Did your life change? Did you receive gifts of the Spirit? Could you hear God voice in a personal relationship with Him? Did you have power not to sin? Did you continually grow in the Spirit after that? My life changed 180 degrees on the evening of Wed. Feb. 9, 1977. It was a sobbering thought to realize if I had died I would have been one of those in Matthew 7:21-23. Yikes! I'd like to hear your testimony. If you'd rather PM me, that's fine.
Are you available to quote the verse you are talking about? Or are you at work. Tell me if you need to do it later. We can't have a good discussion without foundations to stand on.
Behold
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And Paul says to "pray without ceasing".....yet, that would be 24/7, and no sleep in between.
So, verses, if you try to make them all extremely LITERAL to fit some doctrine you are creating, then you turn yourself into a theological pretzel.
"quench the Spirit"......is not to get it out of you, 1stcenturylady.
Jesus said he will never leave you.....and that is Christ in you, the hope of Glory.
He's not going anywhere, because you behaved badly, or lost your faith, for a few years.
The next part, or verse says what not to do with Prophecies..
So, this is a person who is either become faith broken and has lost their spiritual eye.. In other words, cant discern, can't hear the Spirit's leading.
They can also kill (quench) the "spirit" in a Church that is spirit filled by causing chaos in the membership by spreading cult theology.
It can be that a person , who is born again, who is "fallen from Grace", and is now a self saving Legalist, will become so deceived that they get a carnal fleshly adrenaline type RUSH, in their body, and their mind becomes excited when they teach lies from a Pulpit and on a Forum.
They have so quenched the spirit in themselves, that they now believe that the feeling they get by teaching lies, is the spirit.
Praying is communication, and half of that is listening.
The point in 2 Peter 2 is that person became entangled in sin, not that he was ever freed again. What do you believe about a person like that?
Behold
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You say i have fake holiness, while you are here trying to ruin peoples faith with your self saving legalism that pretends to be faith in Christ.
Listen.....I dont "fight holiness", and i am not under the law, so, i also dont fight sinning.
Christ is the end of the law for my Righteousness., since the day i first believed, and that was a while back
I live here in my discipleship.. "Christ always gives me the Victory".
I didn't say you do. That was a statement about the Church. That is why I teach pastors, they are the ones who have the platform. I only write books they can use.
Do you know the ramifications of why Jesus is the end of the Law? How does that affect sin, as the law was to show us our sin. Does God no longer condemn sin for Christians who are suppose to be following Him? Is that why we are no longer under the law? Sin no longer matters to God?
Behold
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read the verse.
"pray WITHOUT CEASING"...>without ever stopping..
So, if you read that LITERALLY,= that means, you never stop, even to sleep.
This means you have to carefuly look at the verses, and discern not only if they are symbolic, but if they are literal......then how literal based on comparing scripture with scripture.?
The TRADEMARK of a heretic, is they that have their one verse, or 2, and they try to bend and contradict the bible with them, according to what they have decided., or based on what their cult has led them to believe.
And, Demas is your answer.
Paul never said he was not born again, and Paul never said he was not going to heaven.
Paul would know., and Paul has a good vocabulary, and there are a few good translations of the Greek, and nowhere in any real bible does Paul say you can lose the Holy Spirt, or that Jesus will leave you.
And why doesn't Paul say that anywhere in the NT?
Because it can't ever happen.
Listen, God saved you when you were ungoldly......so, the blood of Jesus and the new birth in the Spirit that changed a believer to born again SAINT can't be undone.
The born again Spirit, is in Christ, and there is no sin there..
Your body is dead because of sin, and you mind is not born again.
So, the "sin" issue, is not related to a Christian, as you think.......and that is why Romans 4:8, says that God does not charge sin to you, if you are born again.
He can't.
Why? Its because Jesus has paid for them all, and the born again exit in God, and there is no sin found there and there is no Moses Law found there.
= That's the KOG.....where the born again exist., Spiritually.... waiting for the new body while living in the old one.
Thats a mystery, that is a revelation, that is the Truth.
You are repeating a question/accusation that I already responded to, but did tell me if you keep that command yourself or even if you try? Personally, I think you do, and God will correct your thinking of any wrong doctrines if you stay open to Him as I do. I learn things new all the time.
List of sins
As Dr. John MacArthur, points out, we are living in a generation of self lovers who consider that sin to be a virtue…
We live in a culture of self love, to put it simply, a culture that is consumed with self love, ego building, self esteem, feeling good about yourself, thinking you’re important, thinking you’re valuable, thinking you’re a hero, thinking you’ve achieved something, thinking you’re worthy of honor. We’re drowning in awards for everything imaginable and unimaginable. Parents are consumed with boosting the egos of their children with every imaginable means, as well as boosting their own sense of self value. This is the generation of self lovers.
And just by way of reminder, in 2 Timothy chapter 3 the apostle Paul classified “love of self” as a sin—in fact, a dominating sin. In one of his familiar lists of iniquities—there are numbers of them in his letters—he begins the list of iniquities in 2 Timothy chapter 3 with “lovers of self,” and then “lovers of money,” and then goes through the rest of his list. This describes deceivers, unbelievers, those outside the kingdom of God, those who do not know the truth. Self love is at the top of the list in terms of normal human attitude. Sinners are consumed with pride. They’re consumed with themselves. We have made that into the prominent, dominant virtue in our society. —Dr. John F. MacArthur, Litt.D., D.D., The Master’s Seminary and Grace Community Church
DIVINE COMMANDS UNIQUE TO THE HEBREWS—There were various specific commands and ceremonial laws given uniquely to the Hebrews, as a set apart people in Old Testament times. It was a sin for a Hebrew to break these laws.
For example, they were prohibited from using as food certain animal substances (unclean). The chief design of these regulations seems to have been to establish a system of regimen which would distinguish the Hebrews from all other nations.
Regarding the design and the abolition of these regulations, the reader will find all the details in Leviticus 20:24-26; Acts 10:9-16; 11:1-10; Hebrews 9:9-14. The laws about uncleanness were removed during New Testament times. Jesus Christ explained what truly defiles a person in Mark 7:18-23:
“…whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled? …What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within…come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. …” (ESV)
As Dr. John MacArthur, points out, we are living in a generation of self lovers who consider that sin to be a virtue…
We live in a culture of self love, to put it simply, a culture that is consumed with self love, ego building, self esteem, feeling good about yourself, thinking you’re important, thinking you’re valuable, thinking you’re a hero, thinking you’ve achieved something, thinking you’re worthy of honor. We’re drowning in awards for everything imaginable and unimaginable. Parents are consumed with boosting the egos of their children with every imaginable means, as well as boosting their own sense of self value. This is the generation of self lovers.
And just by way of reminder, in 2 Timothy chapter 3 the apostle Paul classified “love of self” as a sin—in fact, a dominating sin. In one of his familiar lists of iniquities—there are numbers of them in his letters—he begins the list of iniquities in 2 Timothy chapter 3 with “lovers of self,” and then “lovers of money,” and then goes through the rest of his list. This describes deceivers, unbelievers, those outside the kingdom of God, those who do not know the truth. Self love is at the top of the list in terms of normal human attitude. Sinners are consumed with pride. They’re consumed with themselves. We have made that into the prominent, dominant virtue in our society. —Dr. John F. MacArthur, Litt.D., D.D., The Master’s Seminary and Grace Community Church
- self-righteousness
- sins of omission—
- failure to do what is good, right, and love
- failure to forgive all who have offended you
- failure to believe God-given truth provided to you
- abortion
- adultery
- anger (if excessive, protracted, or without cause)
- apostasy—abandoning the truth, turning away from God
- astrology
- abominable sins
- backbiting
- bigamy
- blasphemy
- putting a stumblingblock before the blind (Leviticus 19:14)
- coveting
- cursing a parent (Exodus 21:17)cursing God (Leviticus 24:10-16)
- cursing the deaf (Leviticus 19:14)
- cursing the ruler of your people (Exodus 22:28)
- dishonoring parents
- (Exo. 20:12; Eph. 6:2; Deut. 5:16; Matt. 15:4; Matt. 19:19; Mark 7:10; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20)
- divination
- drunkenness
- enchantments
- envy
- evil-speakingevil thoughts—dwelling on them and feeding them
- fornication
- gluttony
- greed
- hatred
- heathen
- heresy
- homosexuality
- hypocrisy
- idolatry
- marriage to idolators
- jealousy
- kidnapping (Exodus 21:16; Deuteronomy 27:16)
- lasciviousness
- not loving God
- lustlying
- magic
- murder
- murmuring
- necromancy
- pornography
- pride (opposite of humility)
- rioting (revelling)
- robbery
- sedition
- slander
- soothsaying
- sorcery
- stealing
- striking a parent (Exodus 21:15)
- taking the name of the LORD God in vain
- theft
- touching the holy Ark of the Covenant
- gluttony
- uncleanness
- worry
- witchcraft
DIVINE COMMANDS UNIQUE TO THE HEBREWS—There were various specific commands and ceremonial laws given uniquely to the Hebrews, as a set apart people in Old Testament times. It was a sin for a Hebrew to break these laws.
For example, they were prohibited from using as food certain animal substances (unclean). The chief design of these regulations seems to have been to establish a system of regimen which would distinguish the Hebrews from all other nations.
Regarding the design and the abolition of these regulations, the reader will find all the details in Leviticus 20:24-26; Acts 10:9-16; 11:1-10; Hebrews 9:9-14. The laws about uncleanness were removed during New Testament times. Jesus Christ explained what truly defiles a person in Mark 7:18-23:
“…whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled? …What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within…come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. …” (ESV)
As posted above can anyone claim they have not committed ANY of those sins?
Scripture says if you commit one of them then you're guilty of all.
Scripture says if you commit one of them then you're guilty of all.
ScottA
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I have told it here a few times...but after a good, hardworking, but wonderful childhood, then marriage, kids in the baby carriage, my own business, followed by being a victim of crime then years of downward spiral, loosing everything, and coming to the end of myself...one night, having no religious background, I thought to cry out to God--if there was such a thing. I didn't know. I just started talking, confessing that I knew I was at that place where people take their own lives, but I wasn't going to do it, and told him if he was listening, he could have my life, he could just take it. That if I didn't get some answers about what life was even for if it all just ended with failure upon failure...I only had one thing left that had not failed me--and I would go live in the woods.
Lo and behold, He answered...and I was caught up in the Spirit above the earth in the clouds above the very spot I had threatened to go. Then He placed me in a great crowd of people, wave upon wave like looking out over the ocean, and they began to stir and press. At my back was a huge wall of ice and I began to beat on it with my fists. Large chunks of ice began to fall down and a massive door opened. In through the door was a narrow stairway going up into the clouds. At the top was my father. Next I was on the stairway looking down and in through the doorway came infants wrapped in little white blankets. I reached out and took the first one and passed it up to my father, turned and did the same over and over and over again.
Then suddenly with a shot, I was back in my body. Startled I shot straight up running and landed at the foot of my bed, where I sat in a cold sweat bewildered. Finally I crawled back up and fell fast to sleep.
When I awoke a strange peace filled me...and everything in my life changed. I was changed.
Then God arranged that I would be staying with my brother in his spare room, where I found a Bible. I began to read and couldn't put it down. I barely stopped too eat or sleep and read it from cover to cover, which confirmed the Author to be the same as that of my encounter, and my encounter also confirmed the words.
I had asked for answers, and they were all given to me.
ScottA
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@Heart2Soul As Romans 3.23 says, 'all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God'.
In the scripture you are referring to in James 2, he was comparing the Old Covenant Commandments to the Law of Liberty, the New Covenant verse 12.
Heart2Soul are you really a fan of John MacArthur?
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