Scriptural Proof of the Pretrib Rapture

[Davy]

Wow!!! Big Boy Johnson quoting strong's numbers! Makes me wonder why you would play so dumb in the Judas thread...maybe it's just a subject you know nothing about?

Yet he is still also deceived about the timing of Christ's coming to gather the Church. He believes in a mid-trib idea, a rapture of the Church immediately after the "man of sin" appears and starts the "great tribulation". That means right after the 1st half of the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week" (7 years). Thing is, that symbolic "one week" involves 2 ea. 1260 day periods, a 1st half, and a 2nd half. ONLY... the 2nd half is the actual time of "great tribulation", not the whole 7 years.

Thus at the mid-point of the symbolic "one week" means the 1st 1260 day period just ended, and that is when Dan.9:27 says, at that middle point, is when the "abomination of desolation" IDOL will be placed. And Lord Jesus showed that placing of the "abomination of desolation" is what kicks off the "great tribulation" (Matthew 24:15 forward).

So to wrongly believe in a rapture even at the mid-point of the "one week" means wrongly believing the rapture happens PRIOR to the "great tribulation", and that is actually still man's Pre-trib Rapture theory. Jesus showed in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 that His coming to gather His Church will be AFTER... the tribulation.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

a mid-trib idea, a rapture of the Church immediately after the "man of sin"

I said some time after the man of sin has been revealed. I never said immediately after

The rapture will occur pre-wrath since the Lord said His faithful are not appointed unto wrath whether it be God's wrath or the devil's wrath.

Now if you believe you are going to be going thru the great tribulation and experience all the wrath coming during that time - then according to your faith may it be done unto you!

Maybe you can get a selfie with the man if sin right before he lops your head off!

 

[David in NJ]

I said some time after the man of sin has been revealed. I never said immediately after

The rapture will occur pre-wrath since the Lord said His faithful are not appointed unto wrath whether it be God's wrath or the devil's wrath.

Now if you believe you are going to be going thru the great tribulation and experience all the wrath coming during that time - then according to your faith may it be done unto you!

Maybe you can get a selfie with the man if sin right before he lops your head off!

the devils wrath does NOT apply to us "being delivered from the Wrath to come"

the Wrath to Come is that which the LORD Jesus Christ brings with HIM

And fear not them which kill the body(wrath), but are not able to kill the soul:
but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell(God's Wrath) - Matt 10:28

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

the devils wrath does NOT apply to us "being delivered from the Wrath to come"

Well then enjoy your time going thru the great tribulation and all the hardships that will entail.

 

[David in NJ]

Well then enjoy your time going thru the great tribulation and all the hardships that will entail.

the only way you and us will escape it is thru death
or
HE 'keeps' us alive unto His Coming = 1 Thess 4:13-18

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

the only way you and us will escape it is thru death
or
HE 'keeps' us alive unto His Coming = 1 Thess 4:13-18

That's just what you think.

You enjoy the great tribulation and let us know how that works out for ya.

 

[David in NJ]

That's just what you think.

You enjoy the great tribulation and let us know how that works out for ya.

That's what the Holy Spirit of Truth SAYS

You should align your mind with the Mind of Christ on this subject

Only One 1st Coming and Only One 2nd Coming = Gospel, OT prophets, Apostles = Hebrews 9:28 & 1 Cor chapter 15

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

That's what the Holy Spirit of Truth SAYS

Correct, the Lord is saying - That's just what you think.

 

[David in NJ]

Correct, the Lord is saying - That's just what you think.

GREAT = align your thoughts with the Word/Holy Spirit and we will think like HIM

The irrevocable Truth here is on the Master of the house and His 2nd Coming

22And He went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”

And He said to them, 24“Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ 28There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. 29They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God. 30And indeed there are last who will be first, and there are first who will be last.”

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

All you have is speculation bud.

Enjoy it while you can because you are going thru the great tribulation

 

[David in NJ]

All you have is speculation bud.

Enjoy it while you can because you are going thru the great tribulation

JESUS was 'speculating' then???

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

JESUS was 'speculating' then???

You are the speculator dictator who claims your view is correct and anybody not agreeing with your view will burn in hell.

You have quite the clown show going on there bro man. This should be pay per view on comedy central

The fact of the matter is the Lord is not going to allow the tribulation to be upon His Body because He will be removing them from this world before the wrath of the anti-christ is unleashed upon the entire world and ALL who are in it. The anti-christ will have a free hand for a time allowed by the Lord to unleash any and all evil the forces of darkness are capable of.

The scripture plainly tells us this tribulation will come upon ALL that are in the world so the Lord will be removing His faithful, but those who chose to not believe there will be a rescue or who are not faithful, they will be left here to go thru the most destructive time there earth has ever seen and will never see again where billions of people will die in nuclear holocaust

So enjoy yourself, get your selfie with the anti-christ before he lops your head off and be happy with your decision!

Like it or not, this is not a salvation critical topic as you are making it out to be so later in the kingdom we can compare notes and I'll let you know how wonderful it was to have been recused and you can tell me of the hardships you endured by rejecting the Lord's rescue

Unless of course you get in to forgiveness towards others for not agreeing with you in which case you'll go to hell and we won't ever compare notes later in the kingdom. (sowing unforgiveness causes people to reap unforgiveness in case you did not know)

At any rate, you want to experience all this mess that will be going on so you will. Congrats!

 

[David in NJ]

You are the speculator dictator who claims your view is correct and anybody not agreeing with your view will burn in hell.

You have quite the clown show going on there pro man. This should be on comedy central

lol my Brother in Christ

There is no speculation in Post 49 and in Luke 13:22-30

22And He went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”

And He said to them, 24“Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ 28There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. 29They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God. 30And indeed there are last who will be first, and there are first who will be last.”

 

[David in NJ]

You are the speculator dictator who claims your view is correct and anybody not agreeing with your view will burn in hell.

You have quite the clown show going on there pro man. This should be on comedy central

anybody not agreeing with your view will burn in hell.

i NEVER , not once ever said that nor implied

A person who casts false accusation on another is because something has been exposed as error to which they hold unto and do not want to SEE, therefore accuse the messenger

 

[David in NJ]

You are the speculator dictator who claims your view is correct and anybody not agreeing with your view will burn in hell.

You have quite the clown show going on there bro man. This should be pay per view on comedy central

The fact of the matter is the Lord is not going to allow the tribulation to be upon His Body because He will be removing them from this world before the wrath of the anti-christ is unleashed upon the entire world and ALL who are in it. The anti-christ will have a free hand for a time allowed by the Lord to unleash any and all evil the forces of darkness are capable of.

The scripture plainly tells us this tribulation will come upon ALL that are in the world so the Lord will be removing His faithful, but those who chose to not believe there will be a rescue or who are not faithful, they will be left here to go thru the most destructive time there earth has ever seen and will never see again where billions of people will die in nuclear holocaust

So enjoy yourself, get your selfie with the anti-christ before he lops your head off and be happy with your decision!

Like it or not, this is not a salvation critical topic as you are making it out to be so later in the kingdom we can compare notes and I'll let you know how wonderful it was to have been recused and you can tell me of the hardships you endured by rejecting the Lord's rescue

Unless of course you get in to forgiveness towards others for not agreeing with you in which case you'll go to hell and we won't ever compare notes later in the kingdom. (sowing unforgiveness causes people to reap unforgiveness in case you did not know)

At any rate, you want to experience all this mess that will be going on so you will. Congrats!

The fact of the matter is the Lord is not going to allow the tribulation to be upon His Body

These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace.
In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance;

strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying,
“We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.”

Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”

And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”

So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.