Second Beast Of Revelation 13

[veteran]

The following Scripture is the main witness of the second beast given in Rev. being a specific entity or person...

Rev 13:11-18
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

That is the Antichrist trying to deceive with appearing like a lamb. He will appear on earth "like a lamb", but he speaks "as a dragon". That "dragon" title per God's Word in Rev.12:9 and 20:2 is another title for Satan himself. Doesn't matter who others claim that "dragon" is, for God's Word is supreme authority on that "dragon" title applied to Satan.


12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

This second beast, a person that will appear like a lamb, but speak as a dragon, will use all the power of the FIRST BEAST. What was the first beast given in Rev.13? The first beast is the ten horned, ten crowned, seven headed beast KINGDOM over all nations and peoples of the world (Rev.13:1-2 with its definition by Christ in Rev.17:15, and by Christ's comparison to the beast kingdoms in Daniel 7).


13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

This second beast is coming to work great wonders and miracles on the earth in the sight of men, all to deceive the whole world with. Notice that working is not with a literal sword in war. This event is pointing to a time of world peace on the earth, after all wars have stopped.


15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Just as what king Nebuchadnezzar did with a golden image of himself, this second beast will institute an "image of the beast" for bowing in false worship. The whole world will be required to bow in worship to that image of the beast idol abomination. That is about the "abomination of desolation" even Christ warned of from the Book of Daniel. A parallel to it is also given in Ezekiel 8 with false worship inside a temple in Jerusalem. For those who refuse to bow to that image of the beast idol, they are to be killed.


16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

A mark for buying and selling is to be also instituted, which will be for the deceived who fall to bowing to worship that image of the beast.


18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
(KJV)
We are to understand that second beast ("another beast") is about a certain "man". That man is about the 'man of sin' Paul warned of in 2 Thess.2 that is to come to sit in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. That is the same sin Satan did in first rebelling against God in the time of old.

 

[tgwprophet]

When it says.. and he spake "as" the dragon does it not imply that he is not the dragon but the pne preceeding him is? Would this not make him the false prophet? Now when he causes the world to worship the beast would not satan want to be the one to be worshipped and not have others worship someone of lower stature then himself?

We have here the false prophet, the antichrist and Satan to contend with. Included in those three is also the Beast which is manifest in the Image made. So, we have an anti-christ that receives a mortal wound and he is the one that enters the inner-sanctum. When an unclean thing enters the inner-sanctum it causes the Abomination of Desolation. This is when the dragon - satan is cast down and takes over the body of the anti-christ and also makes it necessary for an image of that same anti-christ to be made and means the "life" given to that image is the life of the anti-christ that had received the mortal wound. When satan takes the body of the anti-christ he will glorify it with his beauty, but will retain a certain sufficient simularity of the anti-christ or he would not be recognized as that anti-christ. According to many theologians of whose work I have read... the false prophet is supposed to be the pope, and there is reference to that in the catholic bible, and I will not add my opinion to that except to say that a pope could be athortive enough to obtain permission for the antichrist ( a non-jewish, non-high rabbi ) as a political figure to be allowed access to the inner-sanctum.

The image which now possesses the life of the antichrist will now make the Mark of the beast manditory, although it was developed much earlier and implemented much earlier, it was just not yet manditory. Consider a company in Florida called Digital Angel - their web site was digitalangel.net, however I was unable to access that site it was a secure site and you needed permission to access it. It has a developed mark ready for humans as I was told. Although that identification chip put in animals could just as easily suffice, except when one considers that the mark of the beast must be visible or else people would have a tough time persecuting others without the mark because those with the mark could not tell whether or not the person had the mark. Remember also, one may have the mark in or on their right hand, they may also have it in or their forehead OR they may simply have the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Satan must do his work through man, not to man and so his tool is science. Satan cannot do anything to man unless man has the tools to do it. Satan has never slowed down, but rather, always sped up as man's technology has sped up. He has all the necessary tools to do fulfillment of all the prophecies outlined in God's Word... who would think he is now going to take a nap? As birth pangs increase in tempo and intensity expect also the expedience to Armageddon.

 

[Comm.Arnold]

When it says.. and he spake "as" the dragon does it not imply that he is not the dragon but the pne preceeding him is? Would this not make him the false prophet? Now when he causes the world to worship the beast would not satan want to be the one to be worshipped and not have others worship someone of lower stature then himself?

We have here the false prophet, the antichrist and Satan to contend with. Included in those three is also the Beast which is manifest in the Image made. So, we have an anti-christ that receives a mortal wound and he is the one that enters the inner-sanctum. When an unclean thing enters the inner-sanctum it causes the Abomination of Desolation. This is when the dragon - satan is cast down and takes over the body of the anti-christ and also makes it necessary for an image of that same anti-christ to be made and means the "life" given to that image is the life of the anti-christ that had received the mortal wound. When satan takes the body of the anti-christ he will glorify it with his beauty, but will retain a certain sufficient simularity of the anti-christ or he would not be recognized as that anti-christ. According to many theologians of whose work I have read... the false prophet is supposed to be the pope, and there is reference to that in the catholic bible, and I will not add my opinion to that except to say that a pope could be athortive enough to obtain permission for the antichrist ( a non-jewish, non-high rabbi ) as a political figure to be allowed access to the inner-sanctum.

The image which now possesses the life of the antichrist will now make the Mark of the beast manditory, although it was developed much earlier and implemented much earlier, it was just not yet manditory. Consider a company in Florida called Digital Angel - their web site was digitalangel.net, however I was unable to access that site it was a secure site and you needed permission to access it. It has a developed mark ready for humans as I was told. Although that identification chip put in animals could just as easily suffice, except when one considers that the mark of the beast must be visible or else people would have a tough time persecuting others without the mark because those with the mark could not tell whether or not the person had the mark. Remember also, one may have the mark in or on their right hand, they may also have it in or their forehead OR they may simply have the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Satan must do his work through man, not to man and so his tool is science. Satan cannot do anything to man unless man has the tools to do it. Satan has never slowed down, but rather, always sped up as man's technology has sped up. He has all the necessary tools to do fulfillment of all the prophecies outlined in God's Word... who would think he is now going to take a nap? As birth pangs increase in tempo and intensity expect also the expedience to Armageddon.

Ive heard that this idea of the mark of the beast is greatly misinterpreted. The confusion is that the original translation of hand and forehead are actually representative of thoughts and actions. For the most part unsaved people are constantly sinning and thinking about sinning. They are possibly already recruited by satan and are controlled by him in their daily lives.

 

[veteran]

When it says.. and he spake "as" the dragon does it not imply that he is not the dragon but the pne preceeding him is? Would this not make him the false prophet? Now when he causes the world to worship the beast would not satan want to be the one to be worshipped and not have others worship someone of lower stature then himself?

When the Scripture points to the "dragon", it is pointing directly to Satan himsellf and not one of his representatives.

We have here the false prophet, the antichrist and Satan to contend with. Included in those three is also the Beast which is manifest in the Image made. So, we have an anti-christ that receives a mortal wound and he is the one that enters the inner-sanctum. When an unclean thing enters the inner-sanctum it causes the Abomination of Desolation. This is when the dragon - satan is cast down and takes over the body of the anti-christ and also makes it necessary for an image of that same anti-christ to be made and means the "life" given to that image is the life of the anti-christ that had received the mortal wound. When satan takes the body of the anti-christ he will glorify it with his beauty, but will retain a certain sufficient simularity of the anti-christ or he would not be recognized as that anti-christ.

That is man's supposition, since most born in the flesh never have yet understood how angels per God's Word have manifested on earth as angels, and not as inhabiting spirits taking over some flesh person's body. Hebrrews 13:2 reminds us to be hospitable to strangers, for some have entertained angels unaware. There's actually tons more Bible proof of Satan having the ability to appear on earth in our earthly dimension as a man, because that proof is given in God's Word about angels that have come to earth without the need of being born through a flesh womb. Gen.18-19 is one such Bible example of several. Moreover, Christ suddenly appearing to His disciples in a closed room right in their midst in His resurrection body also reveals this.

The Rev.12:7-9 event of Satan being cast down to the earth from the heavenly is about his being booted out of the heavenly dimension. This is why that Scriptures states when he is booted down to earth, there's no more a place found in Heaven for him. There's only two different dimensions of existence per God's Word, this earthly dimension we live in, and the heavenly dimension where our Heavenly Father, His Son, and the devil and his angels are. When Judas Iscariot was taken over by Satan, the devil did that while still in the heavenly dimension. He has power to work by his spirit from the heavenly dimension, but when the war in Heaven between Michael and his vs. Satan and his, Satan's dwelling will no longer be in the heavenly. He's coming to this earth in person, and he has the image of man like we do. And God's Word reveals he's going to attempt to covet God's Throne again, the same sin that caused his original fall. But this next time, he's going to do that coveting with walking upon this earth and sitting in the temple in Jerusalem.

According to many theologians of whose work I have read... the false prophet is supposed to be the pope, and there is reference to that in the catholic bible, and I will not add my opinion to that except to say that a pope could be athortive enough to obtain permission for the antichrist ( a non-jewish, non-high rabbi ) as a political figure to be allowed access to the inner-sanctum.

The Church reformers treated the pope as the Antichrist because of Rome's persecution of the Protestants back in European history. That theory failed because Christ's second coming should have come to save them from that pope if he truly was the Antichrist. Yet none of that happened to fulfill the Scripture of Christ's return. That whole theory is crazily full of holes. If the "another beast" of Rev.13:11 was the pope like you're inferring, then it would mean the pope would have to be able to work great signs and miracles in the sight of men like the Scripture declares. Nor would the Antichrist recognize Jesus Christ as The Saviour like the popes do.

The image which now possesses the life of the antichrist will now make the Mark of the beast manditory, although it was developed much earlier and implemented much earlier, it was just not yet manditory. Consider a company in Florida called Digital Angel - their web site was digitalangel.net, however I was unable to access that site it was a secure site and you needed permission to access it. It has a developed mark ready for humans as I was told. Although that identification chip put in animals could just as easily suffice, except when one considers that the mark of the beast must be visible or else people would have a tough time persecuting others without the mark because those with the mark could not tell whether or not the person had the mark. Remember also, one may have the mark in or on their right hand, they may also have it in or their forehead OR they may simply have the name of the beast or the number of his name.

The actual meaning of the mark of the beast is a spiritual mark, and it is taken in the mind, for that's what's in... your forehead. The right hand has long been a symbol of righteousness, so spiritually having that mark in the right hand means doing its works. I don't disagree there well may be a mark instituted for buying and selling. But that's not the same idea. The Revelation beast kingdom pattern follows the Babylon pattern. Daniel and his brethren were well protected under the Babylon system until Neb's false prophets got him to institute a golden idol image requiring all to bow in worship to it, or they should be killed. They were not forced to bow, they were given the option to choose to bow. It'll be the same for the last days. One will have to choose to accept that mark for buying and selling.

Satan must do his work through man, not to man and so his tool is science.

That's supposition by men. Because Scripture declares a false messiah to come for the end of days, working great signs and wonders on earth that would almost deceive Christ's own elect (Matt.24), no flesh man could ever fit that slot. But an angel from the bottomless pit with supernatural powers? Yes. This is why Apostle Paul said in 2 Cor.11 that Satan transforms (disguise per the Greek) himself as an angel of light.

Satan cannot do anything to man unless man has the tools to do it.

What Satan is given to do involves God giving him power, not man. When Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness, taking Him upon a high pinnacle and showing Him the kingdoms of the earth, that had nothing to do with man's tools. When the two angels blinded the sodomites outside the door of Lot's house, that had nothing to do with man's tools. Satan doesn't need man's tools to work the supernatural, and neither do God's angelic messengers He has sent to earth at times. Many holes in your bucket already.

Satan has never slowed down, but rather, always sped up as man's technology has sped up. He has all the necessary tools to do fulfillment of all the prophecies outlined in God's Word... who would think he is now going to take a nap? As birth pangs increase in tempo and intensity expect also the expedience to Armageddon.

Now that really is... reaching. And no, Satan does NOT have all the tools to fulfill all Bible prophecy. That idea is way... out there.

 

[popeye]

The 2nd beast of Rev 13 is the False Prophet. And the first beast is not only a man, but also his kingdom. We know this because of Rev 19:20. It's that simple.

As to the "mark" of the beast..... When the Bible tells us that we shall be marked in the forehead, or the right hand, IT MEANS JUST THAT! And don't let anyone try to tell you otherwise. We are warned 7 times in The Rev not to take this mark. Can't be any plainer than that.

BTW, Paul describes 3 heavens, not 2. And Satan is cast down to earth and booted from Heaven, at the finishing of the writing of the New Testament, because Rev 12 is a chronological history of the Jewish nation and people, from the time of Christ, until they are invaded in our future.

The threesome of Satan, AntiChrist and the False Prophet is an unholy trinity. AC & the FP are men, possessed by high ranking demon spirits. And the "image" the FP makes of the AC is nothing more than a television image. It's that simple!

 

[veteran]

The false prophet and beast (2nd beast of Rev.13) are roles for Satan himself. Those roles he will play are destroyed at Christ's coming, but Satan himself (the dragon), is not destroyed yet, but locked in his prison pit for the thousand years of Rev.20.

Rev 19:20
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
(KJV)

Who is it that is to work great signs, wonders, and miracles per the 2nd beast prophecy? The one in Rev.13:11 that speaks as a dragon. The dragon title is a title for Satan himself. Who is it in Matt.24:24 that is called pseudochristos in the Greek that is to work great signs and wonders? Not just a false prophet, but a false messiah, a fake Christ. Same thing in 2 Thess.2 with Paul's warning of a false one coming to sit in the temple of God showing himself that he is God. It's about Satan himself.

 

[popeye]

The false prophet and beast (2nd beast of Rev.13) are roles for Satan himself. Those roles he will play are destroyed at Christ's coming, but Satan himself (the dragon), is not destroyed yet, but locked in his prison pit for the thousand years of Rev.20.

Rev 19:20
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
(KJV)

Who is it that is to work great signs, wonders, and miracles per the 2nd beast prophecy? The one in Rev.13:11 that speaks as a dragon. The dragon title is a title for Satan himself. Who is it in Matt.24:24 that is called pseudochristos in the Greek that is to work great signs and wonders? Not just a false prophet, but a false messiah, a fake Christ. Same thing in 2 Thess.2 with Paul's warning of a false one coming to sit in the temple of God showing himself that he is God. It's about Satan himself.

Even Satan can't be in two places at once. Satan doesn't "play roles", he empowers the beast and the False Prophet.
Speaking of the AC, Dan 8:24 - "And his power shall be mighty, BUT NOT BY HIS OWN POWER,...", And also, Dan 11:38 & 9 - " But in his estate shall he honor the god of forces,....thus he shall do in the most strongholds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory....".

"speaking AS A Dragon" is totally different than "speaking as THE Dragon". In this case, it just means the FP willl speak similarly as the beast, or as a ( oops, there's that "as a" again! ) beastly person opposed to God.

I love it when someone needs to provide "proof" of their position, they pull out the ol' original Greek justification. This is an underhanded tactic of no-nothing scholars. If ya can't use English to justify your stances, don't bother with the Greek...it certainly doesn't impress me...just as many of the "scholars" out there don't impress me.

 

[veteran]

Even Satan can't be in two places at once. Satan doesn't "play roles", he empowers the beast and the False Prophet.
Speaking of the AC, Dan 8:24 - "And his power shall be mighty, BUT NOT BY HIS OWN POWER,...", And also, Dan 11:38 & 9 - " But in his estate shall he honor the god of forces,....thus he shall do in the most strongholds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory....".

Satan plays MANY ROLES. That's WHY he has so many symbolic titles per God's Word, like the adversary, dragon, devil, tempter, false rock, false morning star, prince of the power of the air, vile person, little horn, destroyer, death, the Assyrian, etc. The one who will work miracles on earth in the sight of men to deceive the whole world is that 2nd beast, the beast king of Rev.17. It's a role reserved for Satan himself coming to this earth. That's why so many are going to be deceived, including many of my Christian brethren.

The following is about that 2nd beast of Rev.13:11 forward... the one you call the false prophet of Rev.16, 19 & 20 while pointing to someone totally different like an ordinary flesh man...

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
(KJV)

That's about the 2nd beast of Rev.13:11 forward, the "another beast" that will have two horns like a lamb, but speak as a dragon (Satan). How is it that 2nd beast ASCENDS OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT if the false prophet is just some flesh human born through woman?

"speaking AS A Dragon" is totally different than "speaking as THE Dragon". In this case, it just means the FP willl speak similarly as the beast, or as a ( oops, there's that "as a" again! ) beastly person opposed to God.

That KJV phrase "a dragon" is simply the Greek word 'drakon', the translators could have just as well put the article 'the' in front of it instead the article 'a' for clarification in English. So literally, 'as the dragon' per the Greek hos drakon. What's the old saying? if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it probably is a duck?

I love it when someone needs to provide "proof" of their position, they pull out the ol' original Greek justification. This is an underhanded tactic of no-nothing scholars. If ya can't use English to justify your stances, don't bother with the Greek...it certainly doesn't impress me...just as many of the "scholars" out there don't impress me.

Getting way ahead of yourself, for you would have to disprove the Matt.24:24, and 2 Thess.2 association with that dragon's working of great signs and wonders per Rev.13:11 forward to disprove what I've declared about that being Satan himself. The Rev.17:8 verse is already more than enough Scripture evidence to prove that false prophet is a role for Satan himself, for it is Satan we are told in Rev.9 that is the angel of the bottomless pit!

Would you like to show us how a flesh man can ascend out of that bottomless pit for the end times?

 

[popeye]

Ever heard of possession?

"Flesh men" don't ascend from the bottomless pit, the spirits that possess them do. That simple.

Apollyon is NOT Satan. Satan HAS NOT yet been chained into the bottomless pit, and never has been. If the ruler of this world ( Satan - per Christ's statements ) was now locked into the bottomless pit, he obviously could not be the ruler of this world. At some point in the future, Satan IS given the key to the bottomless pit ( Rev 9:1 & 2 ), but not until then will he have any control over those demons, until he looses them.

The ONLY practical answer to Rev 17:8 is that the "king that was, is, and is yet to come" is a high ranking spirit entity who possesses a human soul. The SAME entity that possessed an earlier version. Same with the 2nd beast....both ascend from the bottomless pit ONLY AFTER SATAN IS GIVEN THE KEY TO LOOSE THEM...and not until then. I believe those evil spirit entities locked in the bottomless pit were locked there after Satan's forces was defeated by Michael and booted from Heaven, which took place after the NT was completed, per Rev 12:7-12.

BTW, simply because Satan is referred-to through the use of different names, does not mean he "plays" different roles. Frankly, Satan IS NOT the "little horn", IS NOT the "vile person", IS NOT the "prince of the power of the air", IS NOT the "destroyer, death or the Assyrian". Where in the world did you get that idea? Satan IS CALLED "that old serpent", "The Devil", Satan, and "The Dragon", along with a few others. But, that DOES NOT mean he "plays roles" simply because he's referred-to by different names.

"This ET generation" of people will be ripe for evil spirit possession because they will not be foundationally-equipped to combat any possession because of lacking the foundational truths that would deter any spirit possession. If they don't know the difference between right and wrong, then they will be easy pickin's for a spirit to possess them. AND THAT SIR is the answer to most of the mysteries of The Rev!

 

[popeye]

To clarify my last post...

Would a demon spirit looking to possess a human host spirit choose one with the foundational truths totally imprinted on his soul, or would he choose one that is lacking that foundational truth? If a demon spirit were to try and possess a spirit of God ( true Christian ), he would find a serious struggle trying to totally possess that host soul. However, if the demon spirit were to choose a host spirit / person, who does not have the foundational truths imprinted on his soul, then the demon spirit would find NO RESISTANCE WHATSOEVER to totally possess that soul.

Who do you think a demon spirit would rather possess? A true Christian, or a befuddled soul who has no concept of right and wrong? I think the answer is obvious....

 

[veteran]

Ever heard of possession?

"Flesh men" don't ascend from the bottomless pit, the spirits that possess them do. That simple.

Apollyon is NOT Satan. Satan HAS NOT yet been chained into the bottomless pit, and never has been. If the ruler of this world ( Satan - per Christ's statements ) was now locked into the bottomless pit, he obviously could not be the ruler of this world. At some point in the future, Satan IS given the key to the bottomless pit ( Rev 9:1 & 2 ), but not until then will he have any control over those demons, until he looses them.

That's right, flesh men do not ascend out of the bottomless pit. Satan does.

The name Apollyon and Abaddon in Rev.9 ARE titles for Satan himself. The Greek Apollyon comes from the Greek word apollumi which means 'to destroy fully'. It is the same... word rendered 'perditiion' about the beast king of Rev.17:8 that ascends out of the bottomless pit.

Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
(KJV)

That "king" which is over them, called Apollyon and Abaddon, IS that "angel of the bottomless pit". It is Satan himself.

A simple matter many tend to forget is that NO flesh man has been assigned to perish in the lake of fire yet, only Satan and his angels have. So that's yet another... pointer to that 2nd beast, the beast king of Rev.17:8 being Satan himself, and not a flesh man filling the role of that false prophet. And here's yet another proof of that....


Rev 19:20
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
(KJV)

NO flesh man is cast into the "lake of fire" PRIOR to Christ's Millennium reign, for NO flesh born man is judged to perish in the lake of fire until AFTER Christ's thousand years reign (which is still future to us). Not even Judas Iscariot is sentenced to perish in the lake of fire yet. Yet that beast and false prophet there are. If that false prophet was about some flesh born man cast into that lake of fire PRIOR to the Great White Throne Judgment, that would automatically create a conflict with the Rev.20 Scripture.

Satan himself is not cast into that lake of fire at that point either. That is yet another way how we know the false prophet is a role Satan will play, and that role IS the 2nd beast working of Rev.13:11 forward. That's HOW those beast and false prophet roles are destroyed in the "lake of fire" at Christ's coming on the day of The Lord.