Seeing the Day Approaching.

[Randy Kluth]

The Oluvetduscourse is the test case for preterism, your believe Matthew 24:15 was fulfilled in 70AD, your in the partial preterist camp it's that simple

Randy you aren't going to silence my opinion on the subject, with false claims of name calling etc

Yes, I can see that you're defiling your name "Truth."

 

[Randy Kluth]

Thank you for your explanation. However I do believe we need to post scripture and say what we believe. Then listen to others and check to see if we need adjusting.

I`m not deciphering how God`s word will be fulfilled. I`m believing His word and trusting that the Head of His Body is revealing to His Holy Spirit what he is doing in these days. He who loved us to die that cruel death is the same one who sent His Holy Spirit to `guide us into all truth.` (John 16: 13)

Thus it behoves us to discuss in a humble yet expectant attitude.

Well said! I agree. Let's let the Holy Spirit lead and do what He wills.

 

[Marilyn C]

Agree to disagree

Read the 13th chapter below ,as this is how I see it as well .

revelation13

Will study those notes and get back to you.

 

[Taken]

Actually it is the 10 Kings (emirs) of the Islamic Federation that will do away with the UN`s religion. (Rev. 17: 16)

Rev 17, gets pretty deep, almost needing a chart, to review what is past, present, future...and speculation from signs.

[10] And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. (Roman Empire fell from within, reviving of sorts presently?)

[11] And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. (Ditto, Roman Empire reviving of sorts?)

[12] And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. (10 nations kings, established during Christ’s Millennial reign? Forwarding to Satan’s release, their one hour of Satan’s influence ?)

[13] These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. (Ditto, influenced by Satan, AGAIN, nothing new under the sun.)

[14] These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. (Come Against Christ’s Kingdom, the (10) nations “mortals” kings “under Satan influence” Against Christ King Kingdom. One Hour, and King of kings; [Word (Jesus), Power (Christ)],
Two edge sword, One edge protects, One edge defeats, Swiftly defeated?

[15] And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
(Seemingly 10 kings, Before the millennial reign? Many nations, Islam, Middle East headquarters/ Many nations Catholicism, Vatican City headquarters. ? Seemingly AJOINING? Chrislam?)

[16] And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. (10 kings, discontent? A repeat of sorts? All sounds good to join, but when understanding, “Islam” feels slighted? Repeat of division of sorts...as...Catholicism and Protestants?
Religious Wars ensure among men?)

[17] For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. (Men relenting? Religious war one thing. Physical war another thing, Vatican no army. Islam has sporadic willing armies?)

[18] And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
(Jerusalem city of king David’s ever lasting Throne. Christ Jesus’ Throne. Abrahams’ Promised Land. Christ Jesus’ Kingdom...
Islam, Catholicism, Doctrines irrelevant? Christ Jesus King, Word, Doctrine, Power prevails.)

Seems to mesh, of history discontent, of what we see now, and a similar thing during Christ Jesus’ reign....Because mortals are present, and mortals are mortals, agreeable and disagreeable, get along, feel slighted, change their minds, and add Satan into the picture and things really get heated up. Christ’s presence (ie the Power of God), acts swiftly.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, I can see that you're defiling your name "Truth."

Thanks for the response, those that believe and teach Matthew 24:15 in Daniel's AOD was fulfilled in 70AD, when Roman Armies surrounded Jerusalem are in the "Preterist Camp" glad to be in God's service showing this "Truth"

 

[Truth7t7]

Rev 17, gets pretty deep, almost needing a chart, to review what is past, present, future...and speculation from signs.

[10] And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. (Roman Empire fell from within, reviving of sorts presently?)

[11] And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. (Ditto, Roman Empire reviving of sorts?)

[12] And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. (10 nations kings, established during Christ’s Millennial reign? Forwarding to Satan’s release, their one hour of Satan’s influence ?)

[13] These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. (Ditto, influenced by Satan, AGAIN, nothing new under the sun.)

[14] These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. (Come Against Christ’s Kingdom, the (10) nations “mortals” kings “under Satan influence” Against Christ King Kingdom. One Hour, and King of kings; [Word (Jesus), Power (Christ)],
Two edge sword, One edge protects, One edge defeats, Swiftly defeated?

[15] And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
(Seemingly 10 kings, Before the millennial reign? Many nations, Islam, Middle East headquarters/ Many nations Catholicism, Vatican City headquarters. ? Seemingly AJOINING? Chrislam?)

[16] And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. (10 kings, discontent? A repeat of sorts? All sounds good to join, but when understanding, “Islam” feels slighted? Repeat of division of sorts...as...Catholicism and Protestants?
Religious Wars ensure among men?)

[17] For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. (Men relenting? Religious war one thing. Physical war another thing, Vatican no army. Islam has sporadic willing armies?)

[18] And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
(Jerusalem city of king David’s ever lasting Throne. Christ Jesus’ Throne. Abrahams’ Promised Land. Christ Jesus’ Kingdom...
Islam, Catholicism, Doctrines irrelevant? Christ Jesus King, Word, Doctrine, Power prevails.)

Seems to mesh, of history discontent, of what we see now, and a similar thing during Christ Jesus’ reign....Because mortals are present, and mortals are mortals, agreeable and disagreeable, get along, feel slighted, change their minds, and add Satan into the picture and things really get heated up. Christ’s presence (ie the Power of God), acts swiftly.

Glory to God,
Taken

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Truth7t7]

Rev 17, gets pretty deep, almost needing a chart, to review what is past, present, future...and speculation from signs.

[10] And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. (Roman Empire fell from within, reviving of sorts presently?)

[11] And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. (Ditto, Roman Empire reviving of sorts?)

[12] And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. (10 nations kings, established during Christ’s Millennial reign? Forwarding to Satan’s release, their one hour of Satan’s influence ?)

[13] These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. (Ditto, influenced by Satan, AGAIN, nothing new under the sun.)

[14] These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. (Come Against Christ’s Kingdom, the (10) nations “mortals” kings “under Satan influence” Against Christ King Kingdom. One Hour, and King of kings; [Word (Jesus), Power (Christ)],
Two edge sword, One edge protects, One edge defeats, Swiftly defeated?

[15] And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
(Seemingly 10 kings, Before the millennial reign? Many nations, Islam, Middle East headquarters/ Many nations Catholicism, Vatican City headquarters. ? Seemingly AJOINING? Chrislam?)

[16] And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. (10 kings, discontent? A repeat of sorts? All sounds good to join, but when understanding, “Islam” feels slighted? Repeat of division of sorts...as...Catholicism and Protestants?
Religious Wars ensure among men?)

[17] For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. (Men relenting? Religious war one thing. Physical war another thing, Vatican no army. Islam has sporadic willing armies?)

[18] And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
(Jerusalem city of king David’s ever lasting Throne. Christ Jesus’ Throne. Abrahams’ Promised Land. Christ Jesus’ Kingdom...
Islam, Catholicism, Doctrines irrelevant? Christ Jesus King, Word, Doctrine, Power prevails.)

Seems to mesh, of history discontent, of what we see now, and a similar thing during Christ Jesus’ reign....Because mortals are present, and mortals are mortals, agreeable and disagreeable, get along, feel slighted, change their minds, and add Satan into the picture and things really get heated up. Christ’s presence (ie the Power of God), acts swiftly.

Glory to God,
Taken

(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

Revelation 17:18AKJV
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Revelation 11:8AKJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

Revelation 18:19AKJV
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

 

[ScottA]

So all the `let us` `s of Hebrew 10 give us good direction as to what we should be doing in these momentous times.


What are your thoughts?

My wife wonders if we did the right thing in moving where we now live. But I am reminded daily that when we put the matter before God, even asking for a sign and looking up the symbols in the stained glass by the front door--there is not one sign, but seven signs in Hebrew and Greek, confirming that we are exactly where we are to be.

We are in the best of hands.

 

[Davy]

Seeing the Day approaching.
....
What are your thoughts?

My thoughts of coming events, per God's Word as written:

1. the Church is to be prepared to go through the "great tribulation" -- this was the main purpose Lord Jesus gave us the 7 main Signs for the end of this world leading up to His future return, and His Book of Revelation. He gave those signs in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. Those Signs were actually hinted at firstly in The Old Testament Books of His prophets. Revelation was our Lord's final warning of those Signs in more detail.

2. the Revelation 13 'beast' is about a one-world kingdom, essentially the plan for "one world government" that has been working behind the scenes for centuries (at least 21 centuries past). This movement was begun by Satan and his workers in ancient times. It was attempted many times per Bible history. God is going to finally allow it to come to pass, again, at the very END of this world.

3. the one-world beast kingdom of Revelation 13 was NOT the first ten horned one that Satan established. Per the Revelation 12:3-4 verses about the 'dragon' drawing a third of the stars to earth, we are shown that was timed with a ten horn, seven head, but only seven crown beast kingdom. That event of his drawing a third of the stars (angels) is about his drawing one third of angels into rebellion with him in that time 'of old' (previous world earth age). That was when Satan first rebelled in coveting God's throne, wanting to be GOD (Ezekiel 28). (There was a previous world earth age between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.)

The beast kingdom in Rev.13 for the end is to have ten crowns instead. That Revelation 12 Scripture, along with parables about Satan in the old world which God put in the Old Testament Books of the prophets like Ezekiel, it reveals that Satan originally rebelled against God with a one-world beast kingdom on earth, i.e., one that had only "seven crowns". That happened in the old world, before Adam and Eve. And that old beast system has been the pattern for all the past beast kingdom attempts, and will be for the last one to happen in our day also per Rev.13. This is why God symbolically uses the titles "prince of Tyrus", "king of Tyrus", "the Assyrian", and "king of Babylon" to also refer to Satan at times.

4. the Main Event For The End -- deception to the coming false-Messiah, THE Antichrist. All those still alive on earth will be subject to that coming deception by that coming false one working great signs and miracles in the sight of men. It was one of Lord Jesus' strongest warnings to His Church for the time of "great tribulation". Let no man deceive you, Jesus said. Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 11 warned about that "another Jesus" too, and said he wanted to present us to Christ as "a chaste virgin". Paul used that metaphor about us in Christ meaning that we are to remain faithful to Jesus Christ when going through that 'hour of temptation' by the coming false-Messiah who will play Christ for the tribulation. Paul in that same 2 Corinthians 11 chapter with the "another Jesus" hinted that Satan himself is who that coming false-Messiah will be, working miracles on earth, as he said Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

5. deceived brethren will have 'sealed' brethren delivered up -- in Christ's Olivet discourse (Mark 13), Jesus revealed that in the tribulation time at the end, families will be divided, brother betraying brother, father betraying son, children against their parents. Examples in history of that was in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. Christ's elect are to be delivered up to councils and synagogues to give a TESTIMONY FOR JESUS.

6. the two witnesses of Rev.11 are two specific men, but also are represented by two "candlesticks". Jesus said the candlesticks are the seven Churches. Only TWO of the seven Churches were given NO rebuke by Jesus. Those two represent the two candlesticks of Rev.11, and that's who those delivered up to give a Testimony for Jesus Christ by The Holy Spirit is about. It will be those future events 'during'... the "great tribulation", that will really tick Satan and his host off at the end, and likely will be why... Satan will lead the great army out of the northern quarters against God's people on the day Jesus returns.

 

[Taken]

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

Are you asking a question or making a statement?
(“Satan is” ~ period/statement / “Is Satan” ~ question mark/question)

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

The “non-literal 1,000 Years” are literally taking place now,
Because you say so? And you say so, Because?

 

[Taken]

My thoughts of coming events, per God's Word as written:

1. the Church is to be prepared to go through the "great tribulation" --

Why?

 

[Truth7t7]

My thoughts of coming events, per God's Word as written:

1. the Church is to be prepared to go through the "great tribulation" -- this was the main purpose Lord Jesus gave us the 7 main Signs for the end of this world leading up to His future return, and His Book of Revelation. He gave those signs in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. Those Signs were actually hinted at firstly in The Old Testament Books of His prophets. Revelation was our Lord's final warning of those Signs in more detail.

2. the Revelation 13 'beast' is about a one-world kingdom, essentially the plan for "one world government" that has been working behind the scenes for centuries (at least 21 centuries past). This movement was begun by Satan and his workers in ancient times. It was attempted many times per Bible history. God is going to finally allow it to come to pass, again, at the very END of this world.

3. the one-world beast kingdom of Revelation 13 was NOT the first ten horned one that Satan established. Per the Revelation 12:3-4 verses about the 'dragon' drawing a third of the stars to earth, we are shown that was timed with a ten horn, seven head, but only seven crown beast kingdom. That event of his drawing a third of the stars (angels) is about his drawing one third of angels into rebellion with him in that time 'of old' (previous world earth age). That was when Satan first rebelled in coveting God's throne, wanting to be GOD (Ezekiel 28). (There was a previous world earth age between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.)

The beast kingdom in Rev.13 for the end is to have ten crowns instead. That Revelation 12 Scripture, along with parables about Satan in the old world which God put in the Old Testament Books of the prophets like Ezekiel, it reveals that Satan originally rebelled against God with a one-world beast kingdom on earth, i.e., one that had only "seven crowns". That happened in the old world, before Adam and Eve. And that old beast system has been the pattern for all the past beast kingdom attempts, and will be for the last one to happen in our day also per Rev.13. This is why God symbolically uses the titles "prince of Tyrus", "king of Tyrus", "the Assyrian", and "king of Babylon" to also refer to Satan at times.

4. the Main Event For The End -- deception to the coming false-Messiah, THE Antichrist. All those still alive on earth will be subject to that coming deception by that coming false one working great signs and miracles in the sight of men. It was one of Lord Jesus' strongest warnings to His Church for the time of "great tribulation". Let no man deceive you, Jesus said. Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 11 warned about that "another Jesus" too, and said he wanted to present us to Christ as "a chaste virgin". Paul used that metaphor about us in Christ meaning that we are to remain faithful to Jesus Christ when going through that 'hour of temptation' by the coming false-Messiah who will play Christ for the tribulation. Paul in that same 2 Corinthians 11 chapter with the "another Jesus" hinted that Satan himself is who that coming false-Messiah will be, working miracles on earth, as he said Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

5. deceived brethren will have 'sealed' brethren delivered up -- in Christ's Olivet discourse (Mark 13), Jesus revealed that in the tribulation time at the end, families will be divided, brother betraying brother, father betraying son, children against their parents. Examples in history of that was in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. Christ's elect are to be delivered up to councils and synagogues to give a TESTIMONY FOR JESUS.

6. the two witnesses of Rev.11 are two specific men, but also are represented by two "candlesticks". Jesus said the candlesticks are the seven Churches. Only TWO of the seven Churches were given NO rebuke by Jesus. Those two represent the two candlesticks of Rev.11, and that's who those delivered up to give a Testimony for Jesus Christ by The Holy Spirit is about. It will be those future events 'during'... the "great tribulation", that will really tick Satan and his host off at the end, and likely will be why... Satan will lead the great army out of the northern quarters against God's people on the day Jesus returns.

I disagree with your claim "The Beast" represents a one world kingdom

Scripture clearly teaches "The Beast" will be a literal individual human man

I disagree with your claim that the (Two Witnesses) in Revelation 11 represents two faithful churches, scripture clearly teaches the (Two Witnesses) will have literal bodies that die, that lay dead in a physical street in Jerusalem, as a literal world watches in celebration

 

[Marilyn C]

Agree to disagree

Read the 13th chapter below ,as this is how I see it as well .

revelation13

I have read those notes. I agree with some of it - the economics (body of a leopard) also Russia, (the `feet of a bear,`), however I do not believe that the Body of Christ will go through the judgments of Almighty God.

Also the UN is the religious arm of the Global Government, with its moral `laws` that is permeating every aspect of society.

The GG at the moment is headed up by the G 7, G 20. And the great powers there are Britain, USA, & Europe. They also control the UN (religious)and NATO, (military) and economics (IMF & world bank etc).

 

[Marilyn C]

I disagree with your claim "The Beast" represents a one world kingdom

Scripture clearly teaches "The Beast" will be a literal individual human man

I disagree with your claim that the (Two Witnesses) in Revelation 11 represents two faithful churches, scripture clearly teaches the (Two Witnesses) will have literal bodies that die, that lay dead in a physical street in Jerusalem, as a literal world watches in celebration

I agree about the 2 witnesses and that the `beast` is a man. As he is the leader of the Global Government it is also described as a beast. The context tells us which is being talked about - the system or the man.

 

[Truth7t7]

I agree about the 2 witnesses and that the `beast` is a man. As he is the leader of the Global Government it is also described as a beast. The context tells us which is being talked about - the system or the man.

Please post scripture concerning a "global government" being designated/described as "Beast"?

 

[Randy Kluth]

Thanks for the response, those that believe and teach Matthew 24:15 in Daniel's AOD was fulfilled in 70AD, when Roman Armies surrounded Jerusalem are in the "Preterist Camp" glad to be in God's service showing this "Truth"

That's only not the truth--it's a lie. And others should know why it's a lie. It's because I told you that Preterism, by definition, is a view that most all of Bible Prophecy was fulfilled in the past, including the Olivet Discourse, the book of Daniel, and the book of Revelation.

And yet you take a single view of Preterism and then claim that all who hold to that view or similar to that view are Preterists. If a person believes that the AoD was the Roman Army, and believes in a future Antichrist, a future salvation of Israel, a future coming of Christ, and a future Millennium, would he be considered a "Preterist." No!

What if a person believes that Jesus' description of the temple falling, stone by stone, was fulfilled in 70 AD, and also believed that much of Revelation has yet to be fulfilled, would he be called a "Preterist?" No!

You've had this explained to you. I've supplied a link showing this. And yet you double down, which makes it a willful lie. I'm no longer interested in speaking with you, because you're rude, hateful, and provocative. Nothing edifying comes from you in this matter. Goodbye.

 

[Marilyn C]

We're In BIG Trouble... (And It's About To Escalate) - YouTube

 

[Truth7t7]

We're In BIG Trouble... (And It's About To Escalate) - YouTube

I watched the entire clip, the individual focused mainly on the British General and his words at the G7 conference in Madrid, nothing in the clip shows a change from what has been taking place over the past 4 months in Ukraine, same song and dance

The British General is "Sabre Rattling" just as all western world leaders are doing, if NATO was going to put boots on the ground in Ukraine, it would have happened long ago, ain't going to happen.

Russia is weeks away from marching into the capital Kiev Ukraine, Russia is destroying all western Military supplies to Ukraine via Poland, Ukraine is cut off and hanging by a shoe string, as Russia Marches to Kiev

If NATO was to put boots on the ground in Ukraine, it would promote Nuclear war, Russia would start with small scale Nuclear weapons as a warning, and it would escalate from there

Russia has the most advanced missile delivery system's in the world, flying at MACH 7, untouched in the comparable world

Germany, France, UK, just minutes away from utter destruction, and they know it!

Once Again, Western "Sabre Rattling" and nothing more, Russia will be inside Kiev Ukraine in a matter of weeks, and the world will sit and watch it happen

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

That's only not the truth--it's a lie. And others should know why it's a lie. It's because I told you that Preterism, by definition, is a view that most all of Bible Prophecy was fulfilled in the past, including the Olivet Discourse, the book of Daniel, and the book of Revelation.

And yet you take a single view of Preterism and then claim that all who hold to that view or similar to that view are Preterists. If a person believes that the AoD was the Roman Army, and believes in a future Antichrist, a future salvation of Israel, a future coming of Christ, and a future Millennium, would he be considered a "Preterist." No!

What if a person believes that Jesus' description of the temple falling, stone by stone, was fulfilled in 70 AD, and also believed that much of Revelation has yet to be fulfilled, would he be called a "Preterist?" No!

You've had this explained to you. I've supplied a link showing this. And yet you double down, which makes it a willful lie. I'm no longer interested in speaking with you, because you're rude, hateful, and provocative. Nothing edifying comes from you in this matter. Goodbye.

"Yes" Matthew 24:15 in Daniel's AOD is a "Future" event unfulfilled, those that believe and teach it was fulfilled in 70AD Jerusalem are in the "Preterist Camp" its that simple

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Davy]

I disagree with your claim "The Beast" represents a one world kingdom

Scripture clearly teaches "The Beast" will be a literal individual human man

I disagree with your claim that the (Two Witnesses) in Revelation 11 represents two faithful churches, scripture clearly teaches the (Two Witnesses) will have literal bodies that die, that lay dead in a physical street in Jerusalem, as a literal world watches in celebration

And I disagree with your claim, which is not... staying with the Scripture about the 'beast'...

Rev 13:1
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
KJV

Just because the translators used the third person pronoun of "his" does not mean that is a person. A personal pronoun points to 'ownership', like it is his..., not him.

The ten horns were first defined in the Book of Daniel, but in Revelation 17 Jesus also defined the ten horns as "ten kings". Didn't you bother to read it?

So how can "ten kings" be a single person?

Moreover, Jesus defined the "waters" that the whore sits over as "peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues" (Revelation 17:15). And even in Revelation 17:3 Jesus showed the symbolic woman is sitting over ten horns and seven heads, showing that as a KINGDOM.

Thus it is important to recall what you studied in one Bible Chapter, and be able to remember those things in the next Chapters, because Revelation 17 explains the symbols in Revelation 13 about the two 'beasts'. And there are TWO different 'beasts' being described in the Revelation 13 Chapter, the first is a KINGDOM, and the second one, the "another beast", is the actual PERSON, a beast king per the Revelation 17 Chapter.