Because we don't agree with these verses, and they are dotted through the OT and the NT.Why would it?
The idea of Jesus having a God is preposterous to the incarnationist(oops, I let the cat out).
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Because we don't agree with these verses, and they are dotted through the OT and the NT.Why would it?
Hey, I knew a minister that kissed other ministers on the cheek in the early 80'2. That (elder)man was a real Apostolic.Something like that holy kiss greeting, huh?
Why would you think that?Because we don't agree with these verses, and they are dotted through the OT and the NT.
The idea of Jesus having a God is preposterous to the incarnationist(oops, I let the cat out).
Huh.Folks disagree with the 3 verses of the OP.
They cannot imagine greeting folks like Paul did in Eph 1:3.
Have you ever heard anyone greet a congregation etc., with "the God and Father of our Lord Jesus...".
No, they run from such first century language.
The idea of Jesus having a God is preposterous to the incarnationist (oops, I let the cat out).
they run from such first century language.
Better than that.Well it's interesting. Not often I get a Bible quiz, LoL.
My guess would be He (and they) are using it as an identifier of allegiance. In Revelation 3:9-12, Jesus makes reference to the synagogue of Satan as a place where those who say they are Jews but are not true Jews worship. He then gives the Philadelphians the promise that He will make them pillars in the temple of His God if they overcome all opposition. Likewise the greeting in Ephesians, since it was a city with many pagan gods.
Maybe we don't use the greeting today because we live in godless and atheistic/agnostic societies, where no other true gods or divine beings are worshipped other than things like materialism or humanism.
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No matter how you slice it, you have God having a God, even if it is just a smidgin' of God's being having a God.I'm not comfortable with that phrasing. I would rather say, the Word of God, Christ who is also God (the Son), spoke of God the Father as being His God in relation to His (Christ's) human nature.
I would say so. The alternative would imply that God has a God, which makes no sense. Fatherhood (having a father) on the other hand can be applied to both natures. Christ as God (LXX Proverbs 8:22-30*, LXX Psalm 109:1-4**) and as man (Psalms 2:7, Hebrews 1:5, Hebrews 5:5) has God the Father as His father.
*LXX Proverbs 8:22-30:
22 The Lord made me the beginning of his ways for his works. 23 He established me before time [was] in the beginning, before he made the earth: 24 even before he made the depths; before the fountains of water came forth: 25 before the mountains were settled, and before all hills, he begets me. 26 The Lord made countries and uninhabited [tracks], and the highest inhabited parts of the world. 27 When he prepared the heaven, I was present with him; and when he prepared his throne upon the winds: 28 and when he strengthened the clouds above; and when he secured the fountains of the earth: 29 [see Appendix] and when he strengthened the foundations of the earth: 30 I was by him, suiting [myself to him], I was that wherein he took delight; and daily I rejoiced in his presence continually.
**LXX Psalm 109:1-4:
1 The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. 2 The Lord shall send out a rod of power for thee out of Sion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. 3 With thee is dominion in the day of thy power, in the splendours of thy saints: from the womb before the morning star have I begotten thee. 4 The Lord sware, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever, after the order of Melchisedec.
Since the Word of God became man (John 1:14), as man He can speak of His father as being His God. Since He is also God, Thomas - and those who believe him - can call Him Lord and God:
John 20:26-29:
And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
I even ask him to advocate to his inner God for my sins, and his inner God honors that as if I were talking directly to his inner God.
What did I miss?No offense here, Truther, but you have received responses from three different members here who don't seem to have a problem with it at all. This is the Debate Forum, which means you're supposed to engage their responses, not bypass everything and continue saying they can't tolerate such a notion, LoL.
Jesus was baptized to fulfill all righteousness(the Laver in the temple).Huh.
OK. I see where you are going with this. You know that the Bible teaches that "God is the God of all flesh". So, what would that mean to the Son of God incarnating?
Let me ask another way . . . why did Jesus get baptized?
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Because the incarnationist believes the man Christ Jesus was the man/God Christ Jesus, and that God having a God is preposterous.Why would you think that?
John's baptism was for the remission of sins. Jesus was baptized. Why? How exactly does this fulfill righteousness? Your answer will be the same. The Father became His God for the same reason.Jesus was baptized to fulfill all righteousness(the Laver in the temple).
I can elaborate if you wish.
Read my post 28 for this.Because the incarnationist believes the man Christ Jesus was the man/God Christ Jesus, and that God having a God is preposterous.
Hey, I knew a minister that kissed other ministers on the cheek in the early 80'2. That (elder)man was a real Apostolic.
Unthinkable 40 years later...
What did I miss?
Col 2:9.Oh, boy...
Well first off, thanks for the response. It appears you were responding to me when I was writing my last post.
But "his inner God"? I'm almost afraid to ask what in the world you are talking about here. Since you let the cat out of the bag, or at least some whiskers and a head, how about laying the whole thing out there for me? Where is this theology coming from, and what exactly are you teaching?
Okay.John's baptism was for the remission of sins. Jesus was baptized. Why? How exactly does this fulfill righteousness? Your answer will be the same. The Father became His God for the same reason.
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He was born in eternity?Read my post 28 for this.
The Eternal Son incarnated into human flesh, and took on all that humans are, excepting sin.
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