Should Christians Support Donald Trump?

[Josho]

Well it's a tough one, Trump stands high for Christian morals on everything except guns and borders, yet he needs to step up himself on morals, his actions against the Kurds and Ukraine were not right, and his conditions for Julian Assange for a presidential pardon were completely dishonest, basically he wants Julian to lie about the Russian interference so he could get a pardon. But you don't have many good options in USA at the moment so that's the problem.

Not sure how your voting system works in USA but in Aus we vote for someone in the electorate we live in. And there are often a lot or alternative minor parties to vote for. So if I was in the USA and an American citizen I would probably vote for a minor candidate that sets a good example and has strong Christian values, for your 2020 election.

But seriously from my Pro-life point of view, Trump needs to do something about guns in America. Abortion takes a lot of lives, but guns take a lot of lives too, a lot of deaths can be avoided if not nearly every American had a gun, as it only takes a moment of anger for someone to get shot in a second.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

We had guns in Australia once and no one got shot apart from fools, then came the drug up people running loose and degenerate city people who's father figures were hopeless mainly Socialist no hopers that let there kids run loose and then the schools started to brainwash the kids into what they claim is social correctness a half baked simple dribble coming from people who were mainly just big kids themselves and had not much idea of the reality of the real world. they could not teach a child much if they wanted to as all that they could do is indoctrinate them from out of a book that a mob of unaccountable twerps deemed worthy.
So you now have people who fear guns and live in a state of delusions running around in circles crying out total nonsense.
We had 2 clowns that went on a shooting spree and the Government let them do such, no cop was allowed to shoot the 1st idiot and the 2ed idiot if you have ever bothered to look into his criminal record you would demand that the PM should of been sacked on the spot, because their is no excuse for such a person to be in Australia and the media did not show his record, I tell you they are a disgrace.

As for Assange who cares, so what it's no big deal what he did in reality. Governments pardon many people for far worse.

It's a 2 Party system regardless, you will never get another Party pop up or the will destroy such with the media or what ever it takes or they will infiltrate the Party any way if it were to get to powerful for the major 2 Party's or they would just try their best to run the Nation into the ground in spite if another Party popped up. or set the voting game up like they have done in Australia with a system that such a Party can not win and
I seen in the last QLD State election that the conservative voters wiped the floor by 12 seats with the Socialist but the LNP Party in total spite of it's voter base handed it to the Socialist, so the LNP Party could of easy as pie if it embraced the One Nation Party as a coalition, but no they were happy to be traitors to Conservative people as this State is being run into the grown by the Socialist. the wealthy right wing don't want a middle class people with morals as they can put up with Socialism, because they are just as big a bunch of corrupt Vampires as each other.

Trump is the only answer for the USA to progress and he is doing a fantastic job, not one USA President in history could hold a candle to him.

 

[Josho]

We had guns in Australia once and no one got shot apart from fools, then came the drug up people running loose and degenerate city people who's father figures were hopeless mainly Socialist no hopers that let there kids run loose and then the schools started to brainwash the kids into what they claim is social correctness a half baked simple dribble coming from people who were mainly just big kids themselves and had not much idea of the reality of the real world. they could not teach a child much if they wanted to as all that they could do is indoctrinate them from out of a book that a mob of unaccountable twerps deemed worthy.
So you now have people who fear guns and live in a state of delusions running around in circles crying out total nonsense.
We had 2 clowns that went on a shooting spree and the Government let them do such, no cop was allowed to shoot the 1st idiot and the 2ed idiot if you have ever bothered to look into his criminal record you would demand that the PM should of been sacked on the spot, because their is no excuse for such a person to be in Australia and the media did not show his record, I tell you they are a disgrace.

As for Assange who cares, so what it's no big deal what he did in reality. Governments pardon many people for far worse.

It's a 2 Party system regardless, you will never get another Party pop up or the will destroy such with the media or what ever it takes or they will infiltrate the Party any way if it were to get to powerful for the major 2 Party's or they would just try their best to run the Nation into the ground in spite if another Party popped up. or set the voting game up like they have done in Australia with a system that such a Party can not win and
I seen in the last QLD State election that the conservative voters wiped the floor by 12 seats with the Socialist but the LNP Party in total spite of it's voter base handed it to the Socialist, so the LNP Party could of easy as pie if it embraced the One Nation Party as a coalition, but no they were happy to be traitors to Conservative people as this State is being run into the grown by the Socialist. the wealthy right wing don't want a middle class people with morals as they can put up with Socialism, because they are just as big a bunch of corrupt Vampires as each other.

Trump is the only answer for the USA to progress and he is doing a fantastic job, not one USA President in history could hold a candle to him.

The gun violence, not all of it can be avoided, but deaths in domestic violence situations can, if Americans don't have such easy access to guns, as I said it only takes one moment of anger, someone threatens another with a gun, gun goes off, person dead. More survived being threatened by a knife than a gun, also outside of domestic violence situations, there are heaps of drive-bys and mass shootings in the USA, way more compared to Australia.

So something needs to be done, as even a semi-automatic gun can do a lot of damage in a short time, even gangs fighting with pistols can do a lot in a short time...

Also kids taking guns to school is not on.... Nor teachers, it just goes back to, too much damage can be done in a short time in a moment of anger, where as a knife can be stopped quickly with less chance of someone dying, or way less people dying.

 

[Bobby Jo]

... Trump needs to do something about guns in America. ...

Don't you find a contradiction from the FINAL NEW GUIDANCE FROM JESUS?

Lke 22:35 And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” 36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.​

... and ...

Esthr 8:11 By these the king allowed the Jews who were in every city to gather and defend their lives, to destroy, to slay, and to annihilate any armed force of any people or province that might attack them, with their children and women, and to plunder their goods, ...​

Maybe self protection is more important than the "headlines" that would deceive you.
Bobby Jo

 

[Enoch111]

...and his conditions for Julian Assange for a presidential pardon were completely dishonest, basically he wants Julian to lie about the Russian interference so he could get a pardon

There was no Russian involvement with Wikileaks. So Trump is correct in insisting that this be clearly stated. Even Fake News CNN got that right:

"(CNN) WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has repeated his claim that the Russian government was not the source of hacked Democratic campaign emails his organization released before the US presidential election."

Julian Assange: Russia didn't give emails to WikiLeaks - CNNPolitics

 

[Josho]

Don't you find a contradiction from the FINAL NEW GUIDANCE FROM JESUS?

Lke 22:35 And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” 36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.​

... and ...

Esthr 8:11 By these the king allowed the Jews who were in every city to gather and defend their lives, to destroy, to slay, and to annihilate any armed force of any people or province that might attack them, with their children and women, and to plunder their goods, ...​

Maybe self protection is more important than the "headlines" that would deceive you.
Bobby Jo

John 18:10

Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant, cutting off his right ear. (The servant’s name was Malchus.)

11Jesus commanded Peter, “Put your sword away! Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?”



Matthew 26

51
With that, one of Jesus’ companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear.

52“Put your sword back in its place,”Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword

 

[Josho]

There was no Russian involvement with Wikileaks. So Trump is correct in insisting that this be clearly stated. Even Fake News CNN got that right:

"(CNN) WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has repeated his claim that the Russian government was not the source of hacked Democratic campaign emails his organization released before the US presidential election."

Julian Assange: Russia didn't give emails to WikiLeaks - CNNPolitics

I do not believe everything Trump says and I do not believe everything the media says.

Trump will tweet something one day and then say he did not say it the next. And the media is getting further away from the truth on morality.

I am also a believer in people deserve another chance, as God can change people's lives around.

Nowhere in the New Testament does it say it is our responsibility to put a bullet into someone's head. Sending someone straight to Hell is not our job and it's not the Christian way. Love and forgiveness is the Christian way, prayer is the Christian way, dealing with matters as peacefully as possible is the Christian way, prayer for divine intervention is the Christian way.

Jesus is far Greater.

Final Judgement is to be left up to God.

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In Jesus we trust.

 

[r1xlx]

All kings and presidents are set in place by GOD so you do not trust GOD in your hatred of Donald?

 

[Brakelite]

All kings and presidents are set in place by GOD so you do not trust GOD in your hatred of Donald?

You sound like a Democrat.... Someone doesn't like someone you like and all of a sudden there's that hate word. Very leftist of you.

 

[r1xlx]

I promote DONALD and you call me a Leftist Democrazie!
What do you have for brains!

 

[Bobby Jo]

...
52“Put your sword back in its place,”Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword

So then we not only don't need, but shouldn't even HAVE a "sword"? -- Which makes Lke 22:36 WRONG?

Seems to me that there's instances where "self defense" is ONLY self defense, -- it's NOT VIOLENCE. But when our welfare is at RISK, then we CAN and MUST be able to defend ourselves.

Thus ALL Scripture is profitable.
Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

... Love and forgiveness is the Christian way, prayer is the Christian way, dealing with matters as peacefully as possible is the Christian way, prayer for divine intervention is the Christian way. ...

Consider the "Peace Officer". He/she carries a GUN. But it's not for violence, it's to protect and maintain PEACE.

And when Jesus was STILL with the Disciples in the Garden, the swords were mitigated by HIS presence. But NOW that Jesus has ascended, HE instructed that we provide and protect ourselves by using our PURSE, BAG, and SWORD.


It's a requirement, and if anyone declines, then they will suffer for their disobedience.
Bobby Jo

 

[Brakelite]

I promote DONALD and you call me a Leftist Democrazie!
What do you have for brains!

I'm just saying, without getting on a personal abuse kick, that you have shown that resorting to using the accusation of hate isn't the exclusive property of the left. Seems Don's fans enjoy using the same tactic. I didn't say you were a Democrat. Your just copying their modus operandi.

 

[Bobby Jo]

... resorting to using the accusation of hate isn't the exclusive property of the left. ...

I certainly tire of people who accuse men who argue of BOTH being in the wrong. It's true when the Palestinians attack Israel, and when the Liberals and Deep State attack the Trump Administration and supporters.

Defending one's self is NOT the same as an ATTACK.

Whew,
Bobby Jo

 

[Giuliano]

There was no Russian involvement with Wikileaks. So Trump is correct in insisting that this be clearly stated. Even Fake News CNN got that right:

"(CNN) WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has repeated his claim that the Russian government was not the source of hacked Democratic campaign emails his organization released before the US presidential election."

Julian Assange: Russia didn't give emails to WikiLeaks - CNNPolitics

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? That articles does not say there was no Russian involvement with Wikileaks. It says that Julian Assange says that. Is he someone you believe?

Get this:

Assange also denied talking to Russian President Vladimir Putin, his surrogates or anyone associated with the Trump campaign.

Are you going to believe Assange or Donald Trump Jr. about that? While I don't see Junior as the world's most honest person, I do believe him when he said Assange or someone from Wikileaks contacted him and tried to get him to do things.

Donald Trump Jr. Had Direct Contact With WikiLeaks During Campaign

The publications report that the messages between Trump Jr. and WikiLeaks were among thousands of documents turned over to Congress as part of its ongoing investigation into claims that Russia interfered in the November election — a finding backed unanimously by U.S. intelligence agencies, which have said that the Kremlin aimed to aid Donald Trump's campaign.

From what I read at the Atlantic, Junior had several emails from them and sent them a few, but he mostly ignored them.

The Secret Correspondence Between Donald Trump Jr. and WikiLeaks

It looks to me as if Assange was trying to infiltrate the Trump campaign and failed. I don't know who he got the hacked emails of Hillary from; but it seems pretty clear he wanted Trump elected and was trying to damage Hillary. Was the Trump campaign involved? I doubt it. Were the Russians involved? Could be.

What I do know is that Assange is a wanted criminal; and I doubt our government would be fighting for his extradition if they didn't have some evidence against him. What is the evidence? Who knows? It probably includes materials that are classified. We may never know who Assange got the hacked emails from.

I also think it safe to assume that no one on the Trump campaign was involved in illegal activity to hack Hillary's emails. If the government knew about such activity, I'd think the guilty people would have been indicted just as Assange was. I don't think Junior was guilty -- since he turned over thousands of documents to Congress -- and we can be sure American intelligence read them all, and he's not getting prosecuted. I think Assange was trying to suck Junior in -- but failed.

The irony in this is if they aimed to help Trump, they didn't. They made his life tougher, and the more President Trump says the Russians did nothing wrong, the worse he makes it since people think he's trying to cover up for Putin.

 

[Bobby Jo]

...
Assange also denied talking to Russian President Vladimir Putin, his surrogates or anyone associated with the Trump campaign.
Are you going to believe Assange or Donald Trump Jr. about that? ...

Assange implies murdered DNC staffer was WikiLeaks' source​

Perhaps you missed the "mysterious" murder of DNC staffer, Seth Rich. It seems he was responsible for leaking DNC e-mails to an Assange associate in Washington D.C., and then ended up DEAD, -- like so many other "coincidental deaths" surrounding the Clintons.

Apparently the data was transferred at some point; the "breach" was discovered and traceable to Seth Rich; who was murdered on July 10, 2016; and published by Assange "days" before the July 25 DNC Convention.


Looks like just another "coincidence". Nothing to see, move along ...
Bobby Jo

 

[Giuliano]

Assange implies murdered DNC staffer was WikiLeaks' source​

Perhaps you missed the "mysterious" murder of DNC staffer, Seth Rich. It seems he was responsible for leaking DNC e-mails to an Assange associate in Washington D.C., and then ended up DEAD, -- like so many other "coincidental deaths" surrounding the Clintons.

Apparently the data was transferred at some point; the "breach" was discovered and traceable to Seth Rich; who was murdered on July 10, 2016; and published by Assange "days" before the July 25 DNC Convention.


Looks like just another "coincidence". Nothing to see, move along ...
Bobby Jo

No, I didn't miss that. Rich's parents sued Fox News over the story they carried that said that. One court dismissed their lawsuit, last year it got reinstated.

Appeals Court Reinstates Lawsuit Against Fox News Over Seth Rich Story

The suit was filed by Rich's parents over a Fox News story from May 2017. The story reported that Rich had been linked to the leak of thousands of Democratic Party emails to WikiLeaks and suggested his death might be related to the release of those emails. The police department in Washington, D.C., believes Rich's shooting death was the result of a botched robbery. Fox retracted its story a week later, saying "the article was not initially subjected to the high degree of editorial scrutiny we require for all of our reporting."

Got that? Fox News admitted their story was fake news; but not everyone heard about the retraction. People still believe it. Some people want to believe it because that would mean the Russians weren't involved.

 

[Josho]

So then we not only don't need, but shouldn't even HAVE a "sword"? -- Which makes Lke 22:36 WRONG?

Seems to me that there's instances where "self defense" is ONLY self defense, -- and maybe not righting the wrongs of society (vigilante). But when our lives are at RISK, then we CAN and SHOULD be able to defend our lives.

Thus ALL Scripture is profitable.
Bobby Jo

If you read a little bit further on it says

Luke 22:38

The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That's enough!" he replied.

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But there is no mention in New Testament that they had defended themselves with swords when they were being persecuted did they?

And those are swords, guns cause far more damage in way less time.

 

[Josho]

Anyway I am in Australia and Second Amendment is not our way, and we are pretty peaceful compared to many other countries. So our Aussie gun control laws have helped a lot in Australia and has prevented many from dying.

 

[r1xlx]

When the pagans come breaking your door down and demand you worship 'allah-Baal-Mary-Darwin' or be beheaded what will you do?