Should Christians Support Donald Trump?

[Bobby Jo]

I haven't read all the posts. What does sanctity of life include? Is it limited?

Trump is PRO-LIFE. And if a person can't "get" the simple, they won't "get" the complex.


Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

... Well you are not fighting a war. ...

Are you familiar with the acronym WWROL? -- World without rule of law --

It's a term used to depict future circumstance where civil authorities will not be able to maintain law and order, analogous to the circumstances in the O.T. where people had to go into their houses at dark and bar the windows and door. And if they were caught in the "courtyard" their concubine would be violated until near death; or if angels had come inside, the masses would demand that they be turned out so that they could have their way with them.

It's like as in the days of Noah, but with details.

So did you want me to wait until I need to protect myself and my family, and then hope the men at my door will wait until I can return with some form of self-defense? And what if the stores aren't open until the next day, and then there's a three-day waiting period? Will you help me hold the door closed? Will you throw your wife and daughters (and sometimes sons) out my door to keep my wife and daughters (and sons) safe?


I think not. I think I'll protect them, whatever the cost -- preferably THEIR COST.
Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

.. why not stop making empty assertions? ...

I already told you, -- because TDS has interfered with your intellect. Maybe one day we can have a conversation on something other than Trump, but it probably won't be for another FOUR MORE YEARS and ELEVEN MONTHS!


Bobby Jo

 

[truthquest]

Trump is PRO-LIFE.

Not totally.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Trump is PRO-LIFE.

Not totally.

I thought an "alternate universe" was born from "STAR TREK"/"Hollywood" imagination. -- Who'da thunk it were real?!?


Another case of TDS?
Bobby Jo

 

[Giuliano]

I already told you, -- because TDS has interfered with your intellect. Maybe one day we can have a conversation on something other than Trump, but it probably won't be for another FOUR MORE YEARS and ELEVEN MONTHS!


Bobby Jo

No evidence about Seth Rich to back up your story? Ha, Fox News had the same problem.

 

[Bobby Jo]

No evidence about Seth Rich to back up your story? Ha, Fox News had the same problem.

Yep, and no DNC FAKE "Russian Dossier"; no DNC FAKE "Russian Collusion"; no DNC FAKE "Kavanaugh Sexual Misconduct"; no DNC FAKE "Impeachment"; no DNC FAKE "Trump Virus"; -- shall we continue?

TDS x infinity,
Bobby Jo

 

[truthquest]

I thought an "alternate universe" was born from "STAR TREK"/"Hollywood" imagination. -- Who'da thunk it were real?!?


Another case of TDS?
Bobby Jo

Being pro-life means more than just being anti-abortion. It means that and much more.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Being pro-life means more than just being anti-abortion. It means that and much more.

Are you trying to convince me that I should believe something other than the truth of a matter? -- It appears so.


Aren't there enough dishonest individuals in this Forum? Do you really need to add to their numbers?
Bobby Jo

 

[truthquest]

Are you trying to convince me that I should believe something other than the truth of a matter? -- It appears so.


Aren't there enough dishonest individuals in this Forum? Do you really need to add to their numbers?
Bobby Jo

Am I being dishonest?

You said something about me being in an alternate universe. I was just trying to explain what I was saying.

 

[Josho]

Anyway, even though I do not agree with Trump on some things like separating families at borders, and relaxed Gun laws in USA, and believing he could set a better example with his integrity as a Christian US President.

He deserves to be applauded for his stance to protect Religious freedom for Christian Americans and to stand up for the unborn.

But he is not entirely pro-family though, and not 100% pro-traditional marriage, he still has MAGA merch for LGBT pride

And as good as the American economy is, many workers still need fair wages, as they are behind a lot of other developed countries in terms of pay. Example my cousin worked in the ski fields, he earned almost twice as much in Canada than USA during the time he worked as a ski instructor, same with Perisher, Australia compared to USA

So there are pros and cons.

 

[Ezra]

No you weren't. You called anyone who holds a firearm to defend himself and/or his family a "nut". And I take exception to your defamation.

You, my dear so called "christian" (small "c") friend are what you accuse others of. And YOU need to apologize to your bretheren, -- RIGHT NOW.


yeah, -- I'll hold my breath ...
Bobby Jo

your just a tad bit wrong and your claims are false . i could care less what you take exception to i am not your dear .i stand for gun rights.. its just a crying shame you cant comprehend what was being said. instead of coming to the conclusion of what you thought i said

 

[Bobby Jo]

Am I being dishonest?
You said something about me being in an alternate universe. I was just trying to explain what I was saying.

http://www.nrlpac.org/pdf/2020 POTUS comparison.pdf
DonaldTrump (R)President(86% average)

In 2018, President Trump’s HHS Department issued regulations to ensure Title X funding does not go to facilities that perform or refer for abortions. His Administration cut off funding for the UNFPA due to their involvement in China’s forced abortion program and he committed to defund abortion providers.

President Trump has proven his pro-life commitment through his many pro-life accomplishments as president including: appointments of pro-life advocates in his cabinet and administration, restoring the “Mexico City Policy,” and he has pledged “to veto any legislation that weakens current pro-life federal policies and laws, or that encourages the destruction of innocent human life at any stage.”

At his 2019 State of the Union speech, President Donald Trump called on Congress to “pass legislation to prohibit the late-term abortion of children who can feel pain in the mother’s womb​

Is there another 2020 Candidate with a better rating?
Bobby Jo

 

[truthquest]

Please name any politician in Washington who is more Pro-Life, more Pro-Israel, and more Pro-U.S.

Nuff said,
Bobby Jo

I don't put my trust in politicians no matter who they are.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The gun violence, not all of it can be avoided, but deaths in domestic violence situations can, if Americans don't have such easy access to guns, as I said it only takes one moment of anger, someone threatens another with a gun, gun goes off, person dead. More survived being threatened by a knife than a gun, also outside of domestic violence situations, there are heaps of drive-bys and mass shootings in the USA, way more compared to Australia.

So something needs to be done, as even a semi-automatic gun can do a lot of damage in a short time, even gangs fighting with pistols can do a lot in a short time...

Also kids taking guns to school is not on.... Nor teachers, it just goes back to, too much damage can be done in a short time in a moment of anger, where as a knife can be stopped quickly with less chance of someone dying, or way less people dying.

The main problem with that is weakness of the mind, anyone who uses a gun to do their bidding is a very weak minded sod. and that's the problem nowadays is weak minded people.
I know of a dude up the road who is 59yo and a weak minded lefty and he claims that if he had a gun he would end up shooting someone and I believe he would as he can not handle diversity (reality) well as he was protected in a government job all his working life, it's a position of trying to sue anyone you can and go on strike at the drop of a hat, with the me me mentality that they have been led into, he is beside himself with rage at the government for kicking many of them out of a job and he is out for revenge and only has $2 million to his name to try and survive on and he refuses to do Jury duty, typical of people who will not serve the Nations interest and only look to themselves to be wanting others to help them out but will never give back anything themselves.

So I see that the schooling system only feeds children to become self serving grubs and the true Christian values are trodden under foot with glee nowadays that's clear to see and they call such pride ! degenerate pride.
Domestic violence always has to do with degenerates, but degenerates are elevated in our society nowadays as righteous under Political Correctness, they are weaklings and typical trait of such under the power of Satan.

I am sure that one could go into a place with a old butter knife sharpened up on the concrete and kill maybe 10 people at least easy enough, but criminals will always have guns, so all one is truly doing is the same thing that all the dictators did, that was in disarming the good public, but remember criminals and morons will always still have guns. not to mention I know one with a gun licence and I would not give such as him a gun licence that's for sure, so if he can get one any total moron can get one.

We had the once President of the RSL Bruce Ruxton point out the reality of such in history when governments took guns off the public, every time it became a disaster.

Lethargic people are a curse regardless. living in a fantasy world never helped anyone. one has to learn discipline of the mind and we have dads bring their children into Ju Jitsu to learn self control because the schools are totally hopeless. not to mention the Churches are hopeless, just look at there rate in bringing the children to Christ in Christian schools. so by there works you will know if they are truly worthy.

 

[Ezra]

many workers still need fair wages, as they are behind a lot of other developed countries in terms of pay. Example my cousin worked in the ski fields, he earned almost twice as much in Canada than USA during the time he worked as a ski instructor, same with Perisher, Australia compared to USA

i agree on wages here is the real problem up the wages then the place of employment raises prices to make up for the raise. then the outside world raises prices to. if we here in america would bring jobs back to the u.s.a this would work. but since many have manufactures over seas, along with out source components which are not made in america. i work in a factory we bring in many component parts from over seas. we allow China to flood our markets with chinese junk . until you take care of the american workers by creating more jobs.. not department store jobs. real high wages will hurt. i am all for the minimum wage going up. but not 15.00 a hour . last i heard australia is not doing so well either.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Anyway, even though I do not agree with Trump on some things like separating families at borders,

Criminals are separated from their families EVERY DAY. Does it make a difference whether they ILLEGALLY rob a bank, or ILLEGALLY cross a border? -- I think not, and children do not belong in Adult Incarceration Facilities. But if a family wishes to remain together, then DO NOT CROSS A BORDER ILLEGALLY.

... relaxed Gun laws ...

New gun laws are being passed almost daily, and Law Enforcement Officers (LEO's) across several states are refusing to enforce them for Constitutional violations, including: Colorado, Florida, Illinois, New Jersey, New Mexico, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, Washington State, & West Virginia.

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he could set a better example with his integrity as a Christian US President.

It's like the rich man who's asked "how much is enough", to which he replies, "a little more". -- It anything EVER enough?!?

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And as good as the American economy is, many workers still need fair wages, as they are behind a lot of other developed countries in terms of pay. Example my cousin worked in the ski fields, he earned almost twice as much in Canada than USA during the time he worked as a ski instructor, same with Perisher, Australia compared to USA ...

When I showed up on the California State University, Chico, campus, my FIRST STOP was at the "Career Placement Center" where companies interview candidates for jobs. I told them what my educational goals were and asked what the job demand and salary was. They said: none, and poor. I then asked what career path offered the most demand and the best salary, and selected Plastics Engineering. I retired at the age of 61 making $135k per year with a pension of $75k per year.

It's called Supply and Demand, -- and anything else is FALSE ECONOMICS.


Bobby Jo

 

[Ezra]

not to mention the Churches are hopeless, just look at there rate in bringing the children to Christ in Christian schools. so by there works you will know if they are truly worthy.

no the Church is not hopeless . we can not force kids or adults to get saved. we only preach the word one pants one waters God gives the increase. are there churches out the going through the motions ? i am sure ! man is the problem not God he has given us a instruction manual and a instructor to follow . it has been proven to never fail

 

[Bobby Jo]

guns are not the problem.. the nut holding the gun is

Well, maybe if YOU'RE the one holding the gun. So speak for yourself, but don't you dare speak for me.

psst i was speaking for me

No you weren't. You called anyone who holds a firearm to defend himself and/or his family a "nut". And I take exception to your defamation.

your just a tad bit wrong and your claims are false ...

Your words are TRUE as quoted:

guns are not the problem.. the nut holding the gun is

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But then again, what is a "Christian" (capital "C") forum without the occasional "christian" (small "c")?!?


Bobby Jo

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Anyway I am in Australia and Second Amendment is not our way, and we are pretty peaceful compared to many other countries. So our Aussie gun control laws have helped a lot in Australia and has prevented many from dying.

Many people in Australia get shot nowadays as well, drugs are the major cause of such idiots going about shooting people.

The Drug culture is out of control here and the governments are the problem that is promoting such let loose in fact, just ask any cop. Oh the government play the dribble well in acting the part but when you look into it in depth they are and have been the major problem that is letting this madness get out of hand.
The governments are clearly trying to create a 3rd rate backward bastard society, so that such will give them more power over the people, that's the socialist aim and they claim to make all people equal, now that sounds good but it's so shallow, lacking in any depth but if one looks deeper you find the devil in the detail is that such lowers all to the same position as a drug addict or any total degenerate.
That's how socialist Governments work to enslave all under them and such gives them total power over you, because you become their cattle and the next thing they are claiming you to be an enemy of the State and then deal with you just like History proves with all the Communist who murdered how many people ? even Hitler can not even come close to bragging such numbers.

I know such Socialist who admire the Communist, well I say that such people are in fact who Jesus pointed out, that were of there Father the Devil who was a murderer and a liar from the beginning.