Should Trump Step Down?

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I think Trump is too outnumbered. Even Bill Barr said he didn't see any signs of election fraud. I don't see how, at this point, Trump can legally remain in office.
Fact check says that Barr was taken out of context and that him and the DoJ are investigating election fraud thoroughly.
 
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Fact check says that Barr was taken out of context and that him and the DoJ are investigating election fraud thoroughly.

Well I hope so. But I remember a clip of trump asking "where is the DOJ and FBI?"
 

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Too late. Millions of screen shots are now circulating around the world on every social media network available. We don't know you.

I'll make sure I keep things on the low down when they take me into interrogation. "Backlit? Never heard of the guy." LoL.
If my word ain't goo than neither are yours in your goofy prophecy threads either

Your word isn't "goo" History, LoL. I was actually listening. But you gotta understand, when you present arguments it helps to make your case when you can substantiate them.

As for the prophecy threads, keep in mind that four and half months in advance the dreams I posted were urging people to pray for Trump not to lose the election because there was a serious danger he might, and two of them specifically implicated voter fraud as being the reason why.

But my apologies if it seems like I'm making fun of you sometimes. Just trying to get to the bottom of what you are saying, to see if it carries weight or not.

God bless.

Looks like an excellent collection of links! I'll have to take a look later. Thanks!
 

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As for the prophecy threads, keep in mind that four and half months in advance the dreams I posted were urging people to pray for Trump not to lose the election because there was a serious danger he might, and two of them specifically implicated voter fraud as being the reason why.

Well I do not believe any of that is from God. I believe those "prophecies" against President Trump are from the other guy at worst and just wishful dream at best to be quite frank
 

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Well I do not believe any of that is from God. I believe those "prophecies" against President Trump are from the other guy at worst and just wishful dream at best to be quite frank

Wishful thinking? Why would a Trump supporter wish for him to lose?

See, I've kinda gotten the idea that the opposite is actually true. When someone receives something through a prophetic dream or vision, they are obligated to say what the dream or vision actually says, not what they want to hear or want to speak. That's what I did, and what I consistently do. But I've noticed many on the forum think that when someone speaks something negative, they are just posting what they want to see happen, and they reject it as "not being prophecy" simply because it is not what they want to hear while honoring other messages as being true "prophecy" because they say what they DO want to hear. I'm not saying you do that, but I have noticed it in MANY others, now that my eyes are open to it. It's like they think prophecy is a game, where we can just pick and choose whatever it is we want the Lord to say, and if it isn't something we like, we say, "That is not the Lord. That is a lying spirit."

To me it says we don't actually have ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches. We have itching ears, and we would rather hear "prophets" who say what we want to hear instead.

How will we ever hear true words from the Lord if we are approaching prophecy like that?
 
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Given such a scenario, do you think a sitting President should step aside on January 20th, or refuse to do so and fight for the continuation of Democracy in the United States, even if it means war.

• WAR in the general Public, is a general Term that can mean anything from waging a effort to literally get a tangle out of one hair, effort to beat a video game, boycotting efforts, to organizing efforts to expose Wrongdoings.

•WAR in Terminology of Constitutional legalese ... the US has NOT participated in a WAR, since WWII.

Yes- people do and will WAR, every day, when their SERVANTS "treads" on them.

Glory to God,
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PRAY For Our Nation, to Stand in Righteousness.

PRAY For Trumps "Trump sounded for Gods Blessings" to be Heard.

PRAY For Gods WILL BE DONE.

Glory to God,
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If the following were true:

I am going to present what I believe actually has taken place in the 2020 Election, but this is not intended as a debate over whether it has or not. The debate is over what you think a President should do IF this is what happened; i.e. what should ANY sitting President do if such a scenario actually took place.

The scenario: I believe genuine fraud took place on a large enough scale to turn the election, through mail-in ballots and corrupt computer software, as well as at the counting facilities. But to keep cases of voter fraud from reaching the courts, the powers that be managed to pack the numbers SO heavily in favor of Biden that cases could NOT and cannot be presented to the courts because ostensibly the numbers do not justify it, i.e. in light of Biden's "massive" win, such relatively small cases of voter fraud will not make a difference.

So in effect, the scenario is that voter fraud sufficient to turn the election has taken place, but cases for it will not be presented to the courts because the perpetrators have outsmarted the legal system. Thus, the implications are that if this situation is not somehow corrected in time, this may be the last genuinely Democratic election held in the country, given that they have now perfected a system for ensuring that every election from this point forward can be manipulated by one party in particular.

Given such a scenario, do you think a sitting President should step aside on January 20th, or refuse to do so and fight for the continuation of Democracy in the United States, even if it means war? This country arose out of war, so we are no strangers to it. The question is, do you think such a scenario would be proper cause for the American populace to go to war again?

God bless, and I will leave the thread to responses,
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Hello @Hidden In Him,

Though an onlooker only, I have watched the news reports from America delivered independently by the BBC with dismay, and believe that the sooner Donald Trump is given his marching orders the better. There has been no fraud! Do you not have any faith in the democratic system of your country? The only lies being told are those instigated by President Trump himself. He has a lot to answer for. He seems bent on creating anarchy and instability for his own ends.

Chris
 

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If the following were true:

I am going to present what I believe actually has taken place in the 2020 Election, but this is not intended as a debate over whether it has or not. The debate is over what you think a President should do IF this is what happened; i.e. what should ANY sitting President do if such a scenario actually took place.

The scenario: I believe genuine fraud took place on a large enough scale to turn the election, through mail-in ballots and corrupt computer software, as well as at the counting facilities. But to keep cases of voter fraud from reaching the courts, the powers that be managed to pack the numbers SO heavily in favor of Biden that cases could NOT and cannot be presented to the courts because ostensibly the numbers do not justify it, i.e. in light of Biden's "massive" win, such relatively small cases of voter fraud will not make a difference.

So in effect, the scenario is that voter fraud sufficient to turn the election has taken place, but cases for it will not be presented to the courts because the perpetrators have outsmarted the legal system. Thus, the implications are that if this situation is not somehow corrected in time, this may be the last genuinely Democratic election held in the country, given that they have now perfected a system for ensuring that every election from this point forward can be manipulated by one party in particular.

Given such a scenario, do you think a sitting President should step aside on January 20th, or refuse to do so and fight for the continuation of Democracy in the United States, even if it means war? This country arose out of war, so we are no strangers to it. The question is, do you think such a scenario would be proper cause for the American populace to go to war again?

God bless, and I will leave the thread to responses,
Hidden In Him


Sadly this very well may be the case.

Bjut we are a nation of laws and that the defendant is given the presumption of innocence.

It is up to the Trump legal team to show that this kind of fraud is an actual probability in order for courts to order greater scrutiny of the ballots. If they do not present enough evidence to do so, then Trump should step down.
 

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Hello @Hidden In Him,

Though an onlooker only, I have watched the news reports from America delivered independently by the BBC with dismay, and believe that the sooner Donald Trump is given his marching orders the better. There has been no fraud! Do you not have any faith in the democratic system of your country? The only lies being told are those instigated by President Trump himself. He has a lot to answer for. He seems bent on creating anarchy and instability for his own ends.

Chris


Well given that this universal mail in ballot where millions of ballots were sent out and very little checks were done to insure that there was no fraud in teh ballots. It is hard.
We have a history of voter fraud that leans heavily on the democratic side. there was as site that was pulled down that showed just for the past 20 years, the convictions that tool place where cumulatively millions of votes were involved and over 96% were democrat's.

In 2008 Obama received all 90,000 votes from one city! Not one vote in the entire city went for Romney! that had never happened before and has never happened since! Probable fraud? You betcha! Many towns and cities have had more votes counted than registered voters and they all went heavily democratic.

Also this is the first time in over 150 years where the same party as the sitting president won the majority of down ballot elections and the president of the party lost! So just superficially and historically, this election reeks of real fraud.
 

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Sadly this very well may be the case.

Bjut we are a nation of laws and that the defendant is given the presumption of innocence.

It is up to the Trump legal team to show that this kind of fraud is an actual probability in order for courts to order greater scrutiny of the ballots. If they do not present enough evidence to do so, then Trump should step down.

If it weren't for the cowardly republican state legislatures these witnesses wouldn't have been given an opportunity to share their testimonies or present evidence. They don't appear willing to do anything about it. Democrat judges dismiss claims without hearing from the witnesses. The state executive branch is certifying questionable election results without ordering audits.

President Trump should secure the guarantee of a representative form of government.
 
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Hello @Hidden In Him,

Though an onlooker only, I have watched the news reports from America delivered independently by the BBC with dismay, and believe that the sooner Donald Trump is given his marching orders the better. There has been no fraud! Do you not have any faith in the democratic system of your country? The only lies being told are those instigated by President Trump himself. He has a lot to answer for. He seems bent on creating anarchy and instability for his own ends.

Greetings, sister.

This seems to be the prevailing opinion in the UK, but I think you guys are viewing things through the lens of your own media. Over here, most of the church is deeply concerned about fraud having taken place, and for good reason.

You might want to take a look at the following:
The Pennsylvania Prophecies

There are also the things the Spirit has been prophesying concerning it as well, if you read the OP.

God bless, and hope you are well.
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This will come down to the destruction of one political party or the other.

If we allow the steal many Republicans will believe every election rigged and not vote. The massive steal would embolden democrats to commit even more blatant fraud. The empowering of the democrats would also allow them to impose more tactics to secure their lead, such as increasing the number of states and abolishing the electoral college.

On the other hand if the election is overturned the democrats would lose confidence in their leaders. If some keep faith in their leaders they would lose faith in the system and vote even less.
 

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If it weren't for the cowardly republican state legislatures these witnesses wouldn't have been given an opportunity to share their testimonies or present evidence. They don't appear willing to do anything about it. Democrat judges dismiss claims without hearing from the witnesses. The state executive branch is certifying questionable election results without ordering audits.

President Trump should secure the guarantee of a representative form of government.
Under normal times, I would say absolutely.

But these are not normal times. We may be seeing eh birth of the one world govt, thanks to the economic collapse of the covid virus. Also the US will fall in line with the rest of the world is worship of the Anti Christ.
 
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So many ways this election doesn't pass the "smell test"!

And the guy from the Amistead Project . . . "why didn't they want observers?"

I've recently read that 3 out of 4 Republicans and 1 of 2 Democrats think this election was rigged.

One has to wonder why more people aren't wanting to audit the election. What are they afraid of? Don't they want us to have confidence?

Much love!

The democrats don't care about democracy. Republicans only give lip service to their constituents. They are asleep.
 
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So many ways this election doesn't pass the "smell test"!

And the guy from the Amistead Project . . . "why didn't they want observers?"

I've recently read that 3 out of 4 Republicans and 1 of 2 Democrats think this election was rigged.

One has to wonder why more people aren't wanting to audit the election. What are they afraid of? Don't they want us to have confidence?

Much love!


Yeah there are enormous irregularities that have been reported and hundreds of affidavits from people seeing illegal shenanigans going on. BUT and this is the big BUT, if the Trump legal team cannot prove it in court- even if we have thousands of people testifying they saw fraud- Biden will be inaugurated.

Personally with the further collapse of the economy coming, I don't know why anyone would want to be POTUS! I am more convinced now that teh great reset is going to take place in 2021. How big is what is the unknown.
 
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Jesus did practice what He preached, but I'm not certain I could practice what He preached. I don't know what I would do if you tried to rob me; I know what I hope I would do, but I may not trust God enough to follow His commandments. "That which I want to do, I do not do." "The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak."
We're not perfect only forgiven. :)
I figure if someone has the nerve to strike me on my cheek, if I turn the other to them they'll avail themselves of the opportunity to hit harder. Because I'm showing them I do not oppose being physically abused.

I was a student in what was actually a cult x-tian school for a few years. Signed up because public school was OK but there were bullies being more bold as I graduated to higher grades. They were there in Kindergarten but by middle school they were just ridiculous. I thought a Christia school would be ideal. And it was aligned with our family church. Boy was I wrong.
Took a day off school to attend there and see how I liked it. Everyone was great. Lovely atmosphere. It was an act. I didn't know this.
Signed up. First day of school the pervert sadistic principle meets me at the door after I got off the bus. He wanted to welcome me to the school as a new student.
We get into his office, he closes the door, we sit, he says, I know you've been "raised" in public school to this point. That's OK. Our mission here is to break your spirit!

No, our mission is to heal your worldly spirit and help you to be more aligned with that of Christ. Just that statement. Then he gets up, opens the door, and I'm dismissed. This cult practiced corporal punishment. Mind you I'd never been spanked a day in my life.
After that? Once a week, every week, for two years that freak, who'd worked it out with my teachers, found any excuse to call me into the office for a beating. An oak paddle, 17 inches long, four inches wide, three inches thick, with nickle sized holes drilled in to retard the down draft on the down swing so that the impact was more severe.

Yeah, I'm not one to invite someone to strike me even the first time. I don't turn the other cheek. I had both mine beaten three times each visit to that office for those two years enough to realize, when a girl wears a dress to her knees, per school dress code, she should have been warned to bring Kevlar panties to absorb the impact of a freak from Texas. Who "prayed with me that God forgive my sin that caused him to have to punish me that way", each and every time. Then I had to go before my classmates and ask who among them would forgive my sin, while he stood beside me, by a show of hands.
Do you know, there were kids that didn't raise their hands?

Not that you were in the mood for a testimony. ;)
 
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I think Trump is too outnumbered. Even Bill Barr said he didn't see any signs of election fraud. I don't see how, at this point, Trump can legally remain in office.
If the serial felonies and what is actually Treason, can be proven with these allegations of election fraud and outright theft of ballots, there's no way Biden can assume office. Because all the fraud and theft is purposed to insure JB takes the office illegally.
Federal law insures such an act does not reward the object of the perpetration of the intent victory for the criminal efforts to obtain the office.
If it can be linked directly to Biden, he can be arrested and put on trial. If KH knew and was party too, she can also be arrested and put on trial.
Of course Trump would likely pardon both if they were convicted. However, what a sorry stamp on their respective political legacies that would be.
Convicted felons, convicted Traitors.
Was it worth it?
 
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Well given that this universal mail in ballot where millions of ballots were sent out and very little checks were done to insure that there was no fraud in teh ballots. It is hard.
We have a history of voter fraud that leans heavily on the democratic side. there was as site that was pulled down that showed just for the past 20 years, the convictions that tool place where cumulatively millions of votes were involved and over 96% were democrat's.

In 2008 Obama received all 90,000 votes from one city! Not one vote in the entire city went for Romney! that had never happened before and has never happened since! Probable fraud? You betcha! Many towns and cities have had more votes counted than registered voters and they all went heavily democratic.

Also this is the first time in over 150 years where the same party as the sitting president won the majority of down ballot elections and the president of the party lost! So just superficially and historically, this election reeks of real fraud.

In the case of BHO, I don't think anyone thought fraud had been perpetrated to allow him to assume the office because had he lost we'd have been stuck with John McCain, who was in his time showing the first signs of what appeared to be dementia but was actually the resultant effects of his brain cancer, and the airhead Sarah Palin. When a MSM person interviews you and knows more about politics, the law, the Constitution, and how government works, might want to reconsider voting for what would be the most powerful woman on earth should McCain have won and stepped down due to health.

Also, the idea of fraud exposure may not have been broached for the same reason a Democrat in Congress , fed up with BHO's behavior in office, stated was the reason he wasn't impeached; no one wanted to have the charge of racism attached to their efforts to prosecute.
If fraud had been accused against BHO's campaign that's sure what would have come to the fore in defense.

In Philly, (Philadelphia), there were thugs outside voting stations carrying baseball bats and threatening people waiting to vote. Where were the cops?
That's what those people were asking.

If JB were allowed into office it would be BHO's third term. No doubt in my mind, BHO, HRC, Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein, are all party to this election steal.


 
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