A forger made the shroud.Well if you speak to Atheist he says 'man wrote the bible'.. but who wrote the Shroud?
Checkmate buddy.
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A forger made the shroud.Well if you speak to Atheist he says 'man wrote the bible'.. but who wrote the Shroud?
Checkmate buddy.
brian, It has been proved to be a fake. It's existence proves only that the forger was good a what he did and that gullible people will believe anything. I proves nothing about Jesus.You must be one of those ignorant fools who never looked at the evidence. Nobody can prove its fake. Its mere existing proves Jesus was God.
THE ONLY QUESTION THAT REMAINED WAS, "WHO WAS HE?". I have answered it.
brian, It has been proved to be a fake. It's existence proves only that the forger was good a what he did and that gullible people will believe anything. I proves nothing about Jesus.
That must have been the same one I watched as the forgery was credited to Michelangelo. It was very convincing and they used a pinhole camera to make the image onto a piece of cloth. But as it was originally said to be an image of Jesus it is almost impossible to get get them to understand that it really is a fake.I watched a very convincing documentary on it a few years back.
It was showing that the strongest contender for the fake was Michael Angelo ...he was very angry with the Catholic Church , because he had been commissioned to do some of his most famous amazing works , but the Pope didn’t pay him....so he decided to get his own back. They said he was about the only one with the skill enough to make the shroud .
brian, It has been proved to be a fake. It's existence proves only that the forger was good a what he did and that gullible people will believe anything. I proves nothing about Jesus.
I've studied it for 20 years and its the real thing of Jesus Christ. What ever made the image get on as a photographic negative is way beyond man's knowledge even today. You have to stand back 10 feet just to see any image.
But whether it's real or not you should not be basing your faith on its existence.
I know what you saying brian and it seems that whatever we say you will not believe it to be a forgery. I don't understand how it can be a 'Catholic Jesus' as Jesus was a Jew. The videos you are posting are of actors portraying Jesus and have no resemblance to the real man that he was.Pearl, the blood is under the image and the image is only seen at the microscopic level on the very top fibers.
Then the man in the Shroud has every documented injury that Christ had.
The image has 0 distortion at the sides where you would say someone faked it.. think of wrinkles showing up. (draped blanket over a body) And the Shroud has a complete backside to it!
Nobody pulled off the perfect hoax. Its from God.
I know more than you b/c I have studied it my whole life.
I asked God to show how to know its him.. & you can look what he told me in my #1 post.
No, I was tired of people saying its not Jesus, and saying my religion didn't identify with his. Matter of fact he's a Catholic Jesus according to the Shroud.
I have seen other 'neat stuff' too brian. I didn't want it to be a forgery, I wanted it to be real. I was disappointed when they proved without a doubt that it is a forgery. Can you bear to see that proof too. Because unless you see that you don't have the full story.No you want it be a forgery.. i showed you all this neat stuff you think this faker has accomplished.
No it doesn't matter what I think brian, but it matters to me what you think and to see anybody base their faith on a lie. To do so is not good and is not pleasing to God. Perhaps in time you might have enough faith in your own belief to watch the proof of the forgery and you may even have a change of heart. And please don't think for one minute that I mean to be unkind 'cos I don't, but I don't like to see another Christian being so misguided. Look forward to seeing you around on some of the less controversial threads.I have science + God on my side pearl so it matters not what you think.
I know what you saying brian and it seems that whatever we say you will not believe it to be a forgery.
She may have her reasons as does brian but that doesn't alter the fact that is has been proved beyond doubt for most people that it is a forgery.@GodsGrace knows a fair bit about the shroud of Turin.
Maybe when she visits she can give you guys her reasons for believing it's legit.
Seems you don't have enough faith in your belief of it's authenticity to even look at the fact that it's been proved false.Why would you believe I would ever think its a forgery. I looked at it for 20 years.. you saw it for how long before you said its fake?
She may have her reasons as does brian but that doesn't alter the fact that is has been proved beyond doubt for most people that it is a forgery.