So, How Does Everybody Feel About This? (Talks about sins that involve LGBTQ)

[Jim B]

Oh and one more thing,.. even Jesus wasn't afraid to call people hypocrites when His followers acted in ways that He didn't want them to act. Just saying. (This comment is more directed @teamventure because they were saying that I was acting judgmental and hostile.)

Regarding your "signature"...

"If a Liberal tells you that they stand for a free country they are most likely lying." I am a Liberal (thanks for capitalizing that!), a sincere Christian, and truthful.

"Joe Biden is not President Elect". True; he is the President of the United States as of January 20, 2021.

Even Jesus wasn't afraid to call people hypocrites when His followers acted in ways that He didn't want them to act!

Also, your post has absolutely nothing to do with the OP.

 

[April_Rose]

Regarding your "signature"...

"If a Liberal tells you that they stand for a free country they are most likely lying." I am a Liberal (thanks for capitalizing that!), a sincere Christian, and truthful.

"Joe Biden is not President Elect". True; he is the President of the United States as of January 20, 2021.

Even Jesus wasn't afraid to call people hypocrites when His followers acted in ways that He didn't want them to act!

Also, your post has absolutely nothing to do with the OP.

For one I already know that you believe in a communist country,.. two my post actually does,.. thirdly I know that he is I just didn't change my signature and that doesn't change the fact that I think he's a cheater,.. finally you bring up my signature and then tell me it has nothing to do with the OP? Seems like you're one of those hypocrites that I was referring to.

 

[BobVance]

For one I already know that you believe in a communist country,.. two my post actually does,.. thirdly I know that he is I just didn't change my signature and that doesn't change the fact that I think he's a cheater,.. finally you bring up my signature and then tell me it has nothing to do with the OP? Seems like you're one of those hypocrites that I was referring to.

I find it interesting when a liberal claims Christianity, today’s American liberal is for abortion on demand, BLM, Antifa etc. You can’t be for these policies and claim to be a Jesus loving Christian.

 

[April_Rose]

I find it interesting when a liberal claims Christianity, today’s American liberal is for abortion on demand, BLM, Antifa etc. You can’t be for these policies and claim to be a Jesus loving Christian.

Yeah and it's also called freedom of speech. CB is one of the places (and currently only place) that I don't feel afraid of being silenced for my beliefs and thoughts and opinions about things.

 

[teamventure]

Oh and one more thing,.. even Jesus wasn't afraid to call people hypocrites when His followers acted in ways that He didn't want them to act. Just saying. (This comment is more directed @teamventure because they were saying that I was acting judgmental and hostile.)

Exactly what did I say that was hypocritical?

You were posting about not being judgemental while casting judgement towards people and all I said in response was that could look hypocritical.
Go back and read what you said and be more careful that you don't look like a hypocrite.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I find it interesting when a liberal claims Christianity, today’s American liberal is for abortion on demand, BLM, Antifa etc. You can’t be for these policies and claim to be a Jesus loving Christian.

In Australia we have a Liberal Party, but it was or had nothing to do with what the USA calls Liberal nowadays, I don't think the word Liberal was as such in the USA in years gone by as well, such was gradually stolen, as to that of a Socialist perception.

The definition of Democratic also has been bastardised by the Socialist nowadays, they claim to be Democratic ! Socialist Democrat ? such has nothing to do with democracy as we knew it at all. Hitler's Nazi Germany was democratic as well remember, oh yes they voted and all remember that fact. yes it was much like Biden's games of getting away with fraud that was at play.

So was it the schooling system that worked to change the perceptions and definitions ? well I am sure it was. so when one sees on TV the claim of democracy being touted, well as to my history of understanding what Democracy was and is, is not what they are peddling at all. they say the word but I have to remember that there definition is not at all of such as my generations perceptions.
This is such of a warfare that has been at play for many years that has been played slowly she goes tactic of Fabian Socialist plot that is waged against the public. it is done slowly so that the average people are not hit all at once with the changes or they would not swallow the game plan, so little by little they work to rob the people eroding them of there freedoms. Such is warfare that is going on taking place right under their nose that most do not understand the nature of such a beast until it's too late.
The Socialist in Germany did such in another way than the Fabian plan. There is more than one way to skin a cat as they say, fact is they want power over all people. who could challenge Hitler in Germany no one ! the same was with every Communist leader, because if you did you were a marked man that not only was killed but so were there family and friends dealt with in such a wonderful way, that people nowadays are to pathetic to understand the reality of such treatment.

 

[April_Rose]

Exactly what did I say that was hypocritical?

You were posting about not being judgemental while casting judgement towards people and all I said in response was that could look hypocritical.
Go back and read what you said and be more careful that you don't look like a hypocrite.

You weren't acting like a hypocrite and that's not what I said. I'm not judging anybody when I say that you can't be a child of Christ and show hate towards a person at the same time as that's telling it how it is. That is not being judgmental or hypocritical. That's being truthful. It is the gospel truth in fact. The Christians who don't preach this message are the ones being the hypocrites.

 

[BobVance]

In Australia we have a Liberal Party, but it was or had nothing to do with what the USA calls Liberal nowadays, I don't think the word Liberal was as such in the USA in years gone by as well, such was gradually stolen, as to that of a Socialist perception.

The definition of Democratic also has been bastardised by the Socialist nowadays, they claim to be Democratic ! Socialist Democrat ? such has nothing to do with democracy as we knew it at all. Hitler's Nazi Germany was democratic as well remember, oh yes they voted and all remember that fact. yes it was much like Biden's games of getting away with fraud that was at play.

So was it the schooling system that worked to change the perceptions and definitions ? well I am sure it was. so when one sees on TV the claim of democracy being touted, well as to my history of understanding what Democracy was and is, is not what they are peddling at all. they say the word but I have to remember that there definition is not at all of such as my generations perceptions.
This is such of a warfare that has been at play for many years that has been played slowly she goes tactic of Fabian Socialist plot that is waged against the public. it is done slowly so that the average people are not hit all at once with the changes or they would not swallow the game plan, so little by little they work to rob the people eroding them of there freedoms. Such is warfare that is going on taking place right under their nose that most do not understand the nature of such a beast until it's too late.
The Socialist in Germany did such in another way than the Fabian plan. There is more than one way to skin a cat as they say, fact is they want power over all people. who could challenge Hitler in Germany no one ! the same was with every Communist leader, because if you did you were a marked man that not only was killed but so were there family and friends dealt with in such a wonderful way, that people nowadays are to pathetic to understand the reality of such treatment.

You could not be more precise my Christian friend! Here in the United States this is happening and people seem to be immune to the indoctrination. Homosexuality is being forced down our throats, TV shows with gay marriage, transgender et al. A once family based network is now happy to show gay weddings. Yet if you speak out against these issues, you are considered a hater and homophobic.
As a Christian, I realize this is Satans plan, I pray daily for God to help me navigate these issues with love, and only concern for people’s souls. I don’t hate anyone, but I will NOT compromise my Christian Faith!!!!!

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Oh I never said that it was right,.. I'm just saying that I believe that as long as they aren't hurting anybody they should be free to live their own lives even though I will still pray for them. Besides, how do you know what they're going through? As somebody who used to struggle with self-esteem issues myself maybe they just felt like this was their only option. Christians have been known to struggle with these kinds of things and doesn't mean that they love God any less, they just have struggles like we all do just different ones. And like I said before that's still no excuse to show them hate just because they're doing something that we believe is wrong.

It is true no true Christian will be hateful to anyone. A true Christian knows that the True God loved the world of mankind so much that he sent his Only Begotten Son to die for the world of mankind to save the world of mankind. The scriptures show us that the world of mankind were doing awful things and were enemies of the True God yet because of his love for the world of mankind he sent his Only Begotten Son to die for the world of mankind to save the world of mankind. True Christians are to love as the True God loves. We hate the awful things people do yes, just as the True God hates the things they do but we love the people. That doesn't mean we express to these people that are doing these awful things that we approve of what they do or agree with all their choices. We also don't water down the truth that's in the scriptures. When the scriptures say that all those who practice any and all forms of sexual immorality will not be in God's kingdom that's what we teach.

 

[April_Rose]

When the scriptures say that all those who practice any and all forms of sexual immorality will not be in God's kingdom that's what we teach.

That would be true,.. if they didn't want to come to Christ.

 

[Jim B]

You could not be more precise my Christian friend! Here in the United States this is happening and people seem to be immune to the indoctrination. Homosexuality is being forced down our throats, TV shows with gay marriage, transgender et al. A once family based network is now happy to show gay weddings. Yet if you speak out against these issues, you are considered a hater and homophobic.
As a Christian, I realize this is Satans plan, I pray daily for God to help me navigate these issues with love, and only concern for people’s souls. I don’t hate anyone, but I will NOT compromise my Christian Faith!!!!!

We are told in both Testaments that we are to love our neighbor as ourselves. What happens if your neighbor is LGBTQ? S/he is made in God's image, just as the rest of us are, or do you fail to see that?

 

[Jim B]

I find it interesting when a liberal claims Christianity, today’s American liberal is for abortion on demand, BLM, Antifa etc. You can’t be for these policies and claim to be a Jesus loving Christian.

These generalizations make zero sense. I don't know anyone who is in favor of "abortion on demand"; they are in favor of abortion as a necessary medical procedure.

Likewise, it is absurd to say that "today’s American liberal is for abortion on demand, BLM, Antifa etc." That shows your biased mindset more than anything else. Are conservatives in favor of the Nazi party, the Oath Keepers, the 3%-percenters, the Ku Klux Klan, Alpha 66, Aryan Nations, The Order, and other terrorists?

Your judgement of liberals is contrary to the command of God stated in both Testaments: love your neighbor as yourself. Your obvious condemnation of people whom you've never met -- people like me -- shows your rebellion against God. John 3:16-18, "For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.

It doesn't say anything about political philosophy, even though this was written in the age of Pharisees, Sadducees, and the Roman empire, all of whom opposed Jesus. Bigotry is contrary to God.

 

[Wrangler]

When the scriptures say that all those who practice any and all forms of sexual immorality will not be in God's kingdom that's what we teach.

Amen

That would be true,.. if they didn't want to come to Christ.

The truth does not depend on who wants to go where.

We are told in both Testaments that we are to love our neighbor as ourselves. What happens if your neighbor is LGBTQ? S/he is made in God's image, just as the rest of us are, or do you fail to see that?

The integration of the 2 points are simple.

First, we are all sinners and all need the saving grace of Christ.

Second, Jesus loves us too much not to be transformed by the experience of receiving the Spirit of God through him. A common question often asked is can homosexuals be saved? Yes.

Can practicing homosexuals retain their salvation if they don't repent of their sins? No.

Like all of us saints, we have to repent of our sins. I know the question of losing salvation is hotly debated among denominations. To me, the definitive verses are Jesus talking about throwing away salt that lost its taste and throwing vines into the fire that do not produce fruit.

 

[April_Rose]

Amen



The truth does not depend on who wants to go where.



The integration of the 2 points are simple.

First, we are all sinners and all need the saving grace of Christ.

Second, Jesus loves us too much not to be transformed by the experience of receiving the Spirit of God through him. A common question often asked is can homosexuals be saved? Yes.

Can practicing homosexuals retain their salvation if they don't repent of their sins? No.

Like all of us saints, we have to repent of our sins. I know the question of losing salvation is hotly debated among denominations. To me, the definitive verses are Jesus talking about throwing away salt that lost its taste and throwing vines into the fire that do not produce fruit.

I am too angry with you to respond right now because obviously you don't have a clue how big of a struggle this is for some people. I rarely ever get this angry where I can't even find the right words to use so I won't at least receive a warning for it.

 

[April_Rose]

Read this @Wrangler and all of you homophobes in this thread (you know who you are) and yes I'm going to call you what you are because just because we don't agree with their lifestyle there's no reason to act like we're better than them because our sins are forgivable and theirs aren't. I'm getting sick and tired of all this hate.



Homosexuals and Salvation

 

[BobVance]

These generalizations make zero sense. I don't know anyone who is in favor of "abortion on demand"; they are in favor of abortion as a necessary medical procedure.

Likewise, it is absurd to say that "today’s American liberal is for abortion on demand, BLM, Antifa etc." That shows your biased mindset more than anything else. Are conservatives in favor of the Nazi party, the Oath Keepers, the 3%-percenters, the Ku Klux Klan, Alpha 66, Aryan Nations, The Order, and other terrorists?

Your judgement of liberals is contrary to the command of God stated in both Testaments: love your neighbor as yourself. Your obvious condemnation of people whom you've never met -- people like me -- shows your rebellion against God. John 3:16-18, "For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.

It doesn't say anything about political philosophy, even though this was written in the age of Pharisees, Sadducees, and the Roman empire, all of whom opposed Jesus. Bigotry is contrary to God.

Every liberal I know is for Abortion on Demand. Every liberal! If you know some that aren’t .....lucky you. BLM is a Marxist organization, whether you admit or not. Further more, I am not judging liberals, only pointing out their position on issues.
In the Democratic convention in 1999, the Democrats took ALL mention of God and Jesus out of their platform. These are facts.....look it up. Sorry to upset you so much.

 

[Jim B]

Amen



The truth does not depend on who wants to go where.



The integration of the 2 points are simple.

First, we are all sinners and all need the saving grace of Christ.

Second, Jesus loves us too much not to be transformed by the experience of receiving the Spirit of God through him. A common question often asked is can homosexuals be saved? Yes.

Can practicing homosexuals retain their salvation if they don't repent of their sins? No.

Like all of us saints, we have to repent of our sins. I know the question of losing salvation is hotly debated among denominations. To me, the definitive verses are Jesus talking about throwing away salt that lost its taste and throwing vines into the fire that do not produce fruit.

Does this also apply to the many other types of sin that are mentioned more than homosexuality? Romans 1:29-32, "... every kind of unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, malice ... envy, murder, strife, deceit, hostility. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, contrivers of all sorts of evil, disobedient to parents, senseless, covenant-breakers, heartless, ruthless. Although they fully know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but also approve of those who practice them."

Why aren't these sins (and others) considered along with the one quality that you condemn?

 

[April_Rose]

Why aren't these sins (and others) considered along with the one quality that you condemn?

Cause they are a homophobe that's why. Or that's what it sure seems like anyways.

 

[BobVance]

Does this also apply to the many other types of sin that are mentioned more than homosexuality? Romans 1:29-32, "... every kind of unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, malice ... envy, murder, strife, deceit, hostility. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, contrivers of all sorts of evil, disobedient to parents, senseless, covenant-breakers, heartless, ruthless. Although they fully know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but also approve of those who practice them."

Why aren't these sins (and others) considered along with the one quality that you condemn?

Sin is sin, regardless of the act. I have said on this forum that some folks regard homosexuality a more egregious sin than that of heterosexual sin, this is ludicrous! If it’s sin it’s sin. Murder lying etc. it does not excuse the act.

 

[Heart2Soul]

April...smh...you are one of those who starts a thread on a topic you are wanting to discuss and get feedback from others...
I love ya as my own daughter...BUT...you shouldn't let yourself become angry when someone comments and their beliefs are contrary to how you see things.
Anger is a viscous spirit that causes friends to become enemies...strife and division...where there is envy and strife there is every form of evil spirits present.
You have the right idea about how we communicate and fellowship with gays....but that also should apply to members here who, let's say, pushes your button. You give the gay person more justification to love than a Christian who doesn't see it the way you do.
Just food for thought....you are a beautiful young woman and most of the time you have a positive attitude about things.
Use that attitude to turn a controversial subject such as this into a positive debate that everyone can benefit from.
Hugs!
PS: I am not reprimanding you publicly...I am hoping this message speaks to everyone here as well.
God Bless