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Somebody Lied

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by mjrhealth, Jan 5, 2017.

  1. mjrhealth

    mjrhealth Well-Known Member

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    But it wasn’t God,

    God promised mankind that He would redeem man back to Himself, but somebody lied…all of a sudden God could not save anyone, man kinds ability to Reject God seemed to be greater than the power of God to save?

    God promised a sacrificial lamb, spotless and without blemish who would pay the price for the sins of all man kind., but somebody lied.. and it wasn’t God, for God sent Jesus the Christ, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, spotless without blemish, who took the sins of the world upon Himself and became sin so we could be saved but man has determined it isn’t so that we have to pay the price for our own sins, someone lied it was not God.

    Jesus said,
    “ I am the way the truth and the Life”, but somebody lied.. now religion has become the way, religious doctrine has become the truth and a book has become the life, somebody lied it is not Jesus.

    It is written, “ all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved”, but somebody lied, now salvation is in church, the works of man, keeping the law, daily sacrifice reading and studying, somebody lied , it was not God..

    Jesus said, “I must go so the father will send the Holy Spirit to teach you and lead you into the truth, and He did, but somebody lied, for the Holy Spirit has being made a teacher of the bible, few believe He speaks to them many don’t believe God has anything more to say to man, somebody lied, it is not God.
     
  2. heretoeternity

    heretoeternity New Member

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    Someone lied alright..it is the satan who has his spirit in self proclaimed "believers" who do not love Jesus....Jesus said in John 14.15 "if you love me keep my commandments and in Matthew 19.17 to enter into live keep the commandments" and He identifies these as the Ten commandments..satan leads people who are ignorant of God's word astray, and they refuse to obey God's word..1st John 2.4 "Those that say they know Him and keep NOT His commandments are LIARS and the truth is NOT in them"...
     
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    Stranger Well-Known Member

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    mjrhealth

    All your information comes from the Bible. Why should anyone believe it?

    Stranger
     
  4. mjrhealth

    mjrhealth Well-Known Member

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    I hope one day that you discover that JEsus is real and that He speaks to those who will listen. He cannot help it if men woudl rather a book than Him. You cant have a relationship with a book. and teh truth is in Him, and what does the bible testify of??? Him its says so right theer, You still cant believe that God doent need a book to save men, how we mock Him so..

    and dont be a stranger to Him

    Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
     
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    Stranger Well-Known Member

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    All your information comes from the Bible. Why should anyone believe it?

    Stranger
     
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    mjrhealth Well-Known Member

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    Why dont you beleieve God? ??? the truth is in Christ that was long before the bible, as Jesus being the Word it is not becasue of the bible, God is real not because of teh bible, the Holy Spirit is given to man not because of teh bible, Adam spoke to God, never had a bible, teh prohets heard the voice of God, no bible, Jesus conversed with His father, no bible, teh disciple where taught by Jesus till His death than where led buy teh Holy Spirirt as promised, before the bible, men today find God who have never read or owned a bible, God has being saving men for centuries without a bible, even today Jesus is revealing Himself to those who have never read a bible. You dont have to believe the bible, it is God who you should believe. Salvation is in Christ alone has being since teh beginning nothing to do with teh bible. Saul was a "Pharisee of Pharsiees He declared, murdered christians for years , than he found Jesus, or Jesus reveled Himself to Saul, and declared all He knew as dung. Knowledge saves no man. I know Jesus becuase of Him, long before I even owned a bible. I know nothing except for Him.
     
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    I gotta side with Stranger. I can answer many of those questions, but I need the Bible to do it. Its the only primary and public source we have. If you don't hold it as the words of God.... I can't discuss it with you.

    The bottom line is that far too many people have developed their view of God based on selected scripture.
     
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    I do believe God. I believe everything He says. What does He say?

    Stranger
     
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    And that happens how, you dont hear voices, that you have cleary stated, since it is how we perceive sound it s hard to get around it, even when with Jesus, his lips never move, spirit to spirit we speak no lips need to move, but still we hear.
     
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    Did God tell you that because we have the Holy Spirit, and are led by the Spirit, that the Bible is not the Word of God?

    Stranger
     
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    Actually He did explain to a friend of mine, it has some of what God has to say to man some of what man has to say to God, and a lot of mens opnions of God. So whcih God do you servr, teh KJ oen teh NIV one teh NSV onr otr one of teh other may version since they are not all teh same. IS christ didvided does God have many different version of His word, when teh disciples say, it is I speaking no the Lord are they lying is teh bible God is it Jesus, if it is Gods word it must be, does God have to agree with the bible or would you not expect that teh bible should agree with God,???

    Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    see how it keeps you from God, why do you need God when He is in your pocket.
     
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    Yah mjr, i think u are throwing out the baby with the bath water on this one. Just because some people worship the Bible as a god does not mean we throw it out now and consider it to be not authoratative. What are all your statements standing on? All the stuff you learned and the reason why you are trying to teach this stuff so passuonately is because you learned about religious hypocrisy from Jesus dealing with the pharisees in Matthew Mark Luke and John baby. That good ole scripture, you know what I'm sayin bro? You are a cool dude but Stranger is right on this one.
     
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    The bible has no authority that is given to God Jesus and te hHoy spirit it is by them we determine the truth. It has its place it even says so.

    Joh_5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

    it is by teh spirit we learn all things, yes there is lots in teh bible that God has to say, but it He never spoke it, if t was not revelatiom from Him, than it is not Gods word, I have never said it has any use only that it is not His word, for He has shown me things in there that even I did not know where there,

    1Co_2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

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    Jeaus wasn't saying that scripturedid or did not hold eternal life. It was never his point. His point was that the scripture was pointing to him. He was telling the Jews that they weren't understanding what the scriptures said.

    In short, he wasn't downgrading their importance at all... He was fulfilling them.
     
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    Oh yes He was, for life is in Jesus, not in a book

    He even says

    " I am teh way the truth and the Life:. the bible is none of those only points to the one who is, how many times do you need to be told He is teh way before one goes to Him, bit like foloowing a GPS to your destination but never getting out of teh car. Pointless.
     
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    So, God didn't tell you. One wonders why? You got the information second hand. How do you know your friend was telling you the truth? How do you know it was from God?

    The Bible declares itself to be the Word of God. But a friend has told you it is not and you believe them.

    Why should I believe Matthew if your friend says the Bible is not the Word of God? Why do you believe Matthew?

    Stranger
     
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    Actually it does not, read it?
     
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    I did. You trust a friends 'revelation'. Not yours. You are getting it second hand. Why do you trust theirs? Is it from God? Is it God's word they give you? Why didn't God tell you? You seem to be the one who is most 'spiritual'.

    You ignore the questions. As usual. Why? Because you are a contradiction.

    So again, why should I believe Matthew when your friend tells you the Bible is not the Word of God.

    Stranger
     
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    Had my own 2 metioned it many times but God always had issues wuth teh religious,
     
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    You are very, very confused my friend. On the one hand you don’t believe the Bible is the word of God yet, on the other, you will quote scripture to suit your purpose. This is a contradiction in terms!

    The first paragraph of your OP reads:
    “God promised that He would redeem man back to Himself, but somebody lied...” He didn’t say it quite that way rather God said, “He will redeem ‘a people’ for Himself.” How did you learn this quote? You must have read it in the Bible.

    The second paragraph reads:
    “God promised a sacrificial lamb, spotless and without blemish who would pay the price for the sins of all mankind, but somebody lied...” Again you must have gotten this teaching through the Bible. BTW, Jesus did not pay for the sins of all mankind only for the sins of His people.

    The third paragraph reads:
    “Jesus said, ‘I am the way the truth and the Life’, but somebody lied...” Again this quote is found only in the Bible. And you go on to say, “now religion has become the way, religious doctrine has become the truth and a book (Bible) has become the life, somebody lied it is not Jesus. (word in parenthesis is mine).

    The fourth paragraph reads:
    “It is written, “all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved:, but somebody lied,” Again the term “it is written” is so plainly clear that the object of this phrase has to be the written word which is the Bible or is there another book?

    The fifth paragraph reads:
    “Jesus said, I must go so the father will send the Holy Spirit to teach you and lead you into the truth, and He did, but somebody lied,” Again this utterance of Jesus is found only in scriptures.

    In conclusion, the Bible is the written word of God, powerful, sharper than a two edged sword, trustworthy and must be obeyed. All the quotes you quoted above cannot be denied that they derived from Scriptures. If you insist that God still speaks to man in this day and age and in place of scriptures, then you are still subject to the ominous warning of Revelation 22:18-19.

    I don’t like to see for anyone to have to pay for their sins (which is impossible), and go to hell I would like then to challenge you that if I can prove the Bible is the living written word of God which you say is not, will you at least consider your view of Scriptures?


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