@both-of-you as previously stated I don't have the luxury of time presently to quote the entire Bible to you.
I think you actually first need to deal with the verses I put forth to you initially that demolishes your belief before quoting the entire Bible.
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For now I'd like to comment that you seem to me to take a very low view of holiness.
This is a false accusation. You are the one who believes you will be a slave to sin in this life and yet be saved. I actually believe the Bible when it says in Hebrews 12:14 that we are to follow after holiness without which no man shall see the Lord. You actually don’t believe that verse because you don’t believe in making peace with all men, and following after holiness without which no man shall see the Lord.
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Which is to say, y'all think you are 'good' because you have either very little understanding of what true goodness is or you are intentionally dishonest in your own self evaluations. That's JMO.
The reality of God’s Word is not determined by how any one Christian lives or how a group of Christians live. The reality of the faith is that God’s Word says for us to also obey Him as a part of salvation. Hebrews 5:9 basically says that Jesus is the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him. If things are as you say, then Hebrews 5:9 would say that Jesus is the author of eternal salvation to all who believe alone, confess sin, and disobey Him.
Granted, we do need to confess of our sins (if any new sin arises). But we need to confess and forsake our sins in order to have mercy (See: Proverbs 28:13) (Compare 1 John 1:9 with 1 John 1:7). Believers need to in time overcome sin in this life. Yes, we are saved by God’s grace through faith without works (Ephesians 2:8-9), but this is in our INITIAL Salvation (Ephesians 2:1). After we are saved by God’s grace in our Initial Salvation, we have to continue in God’s plan of salvation in obeying God and living holy. For God has chosen us to salvation through Sanctification of the Spirit and a belief of the truth (2 Thessalonians 2:13).
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So you both eisegete, and are prolifigating heresies that historically date to the 1890s centering around the nazarene movement & modern pelagian NAR junk.
No. It has nothing to do with them. The Bible teaches that after we are saved by God’s grace, we have to live holy as a part of God’s plan of salvation. 2 Corinthians 7:1 says let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit perfecting holiness in the fear of God. In other words, it’s called believing all of the Bible as it is plainly written.
As for the Nazarene Church:
Well, the Nazarene church I visited a couple of years ago is excessively worldly. One lady professed she fellowships with Catholics, and Mormons.
As for NAR:
Yeah, I am not into the Charismatic Movement and lean more towards Cessationism. See my biblical write up
here at CF (if you are interested). In fact, I know that the things that happened at the Toronto Blessing and the Brownsville Revival are not of God. While I believe Cessationism is the most likely truth biblically, I will not speak against anyone claiming to be operating by the gifts (unless they are barking, screaming, etc or they are misapplying Scripture). I also like to make it clear that I could be wrong about Cessationism, and there is a chance God may be operating in the use of all the gifts in some remote part of the world (Just in case I am wrong and so as not to condemn myself). I just tend to play it safe and prefer not to get mixed up in any miraculous gifts because of the excessive misuse of them today. While I do discuss other Biblical topics, my main focus of my ministry is getting other believers to know about God’s true grace, and Sanctification (to live a holy life) as a part of God’s plan of salvation.
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It will be around the weekend hopefully before I will have any kind of opportunity to respond with any depth
I will wait for your response to address the verses I put forth to you that demolishes your belief. But I am not going to hold my breath (thinking you will actually do that).
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((don't y'all have jobs or families?))
Imagine if you told the apostle Paul this. He wrote the New Testament and lived his life for the Lord in entire sacrifice for him. Yes, he was a tent maker, but we don’t read in Scripture about how his life was revolved primarily around tent making. In fact, Paul says to follow his example (as Christ is his example).
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but I would like you to consider 2 things please meanwhile: pride is sin,
Right, pride is sin. But in popular Protestant Belief Alone Salvationism, we can just sin and still be saved by having a belief alone in Jesus, and or confessing sin (with no real change in our life), and so pride really does not matter.
But if you believe your Bible over Belief Alone Salvationist’s lies, then pride can condemn your soul.
Consider: 1 Timothy 6:3-4 basically says that if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing. James 4:6 says God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble. So if one do not agree with the words of Jesus like say in Matthew 5:28-30 (like most Christians I talk with), then one is proud (1 Timothy 6:3-4), and God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble (James 4:6). Meaning, one will not have grace and be saved if they speak contrary to the words of Jesus and the doctrine according to godliness. You really don’t believe in the doctrine of godliness because you believe you can sin and still be saved by just confessing sin (with no intention of actually reforming or changing to live for the Lord).
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Right, the body does die. For the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). For if you live after the flesh (sin), you will die, but if you put to death the misdeeds of the body (sin) by the Spirit, you will live (live eternally) (See: Romans 8:13).