LOLHere is one: In your dealings with others, is your desire to be interesting — or to be interested?
To be interested...
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LOLHere is one: In your dealings with others, is your desire to be interesting — or to be interested?
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I don't even know what cessationism is.
As you call yourselve, "overseer", now you speak of the "authority" of the overseer, pray tell, where can I read about that authority which you claim in Scripture?The authority of a specific anointing to overseership from the Holy Spirit.
I just read through a profound discussion going on at CF over how the gifts of prophecy should be governed in the church. I gave a response just a second ago. Thought it might be something we should talk through as well. Relevant to the future of the end-time church.
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Help with 1 Cor 14:32
As a passive voice verb, the subject and object are the same. And "are subject" is actually singular.
So according to HIH if you do not believe that the spiritual gift of prophecy (or more specifically tongues) is still in effect, you are not "Spirit-filled". And that is just nonsense.Spirit-Filled Members: Please Comment
So according to HIH if you do not believe that the spiritual gift of prophecy (or more specifically tongues) is still in effect, you are not "Spirit-filled". And that is just nonsense.
I almost didn't chime in myself for that reason.So according to HIH if you do not believe that the spiritual gift of prophecy (or more specifically tongues) is still in effect, you are not "Spirit-filled". And that is just nonsense.
By "with correction in place from other prophets," you mean the general leadership of the church then, yes?
That's really interesting. I hadn't looked at the actual reading. A better rendering (for clarity's sake) would then be "The spirits of the prophets are being subjected to the prophets" (indicative present passive). But how unique to use a singular verb to describe the actions of a plural noun. Don't think I've ever seen that before. If it's not an error (which it likely can't be since it's translated the same way in all MSS), the reading would literally be "and the spirits of the prophets is being subjected to the prophets"...
Now that is a strange reading... as if the spirits of the prophets are being referred to as one unit collectively. Aha! Yes, I think it means the same thing as in Colossians 3:15, i.e. letting the Spirit of God rule over them collectively.
What do you think? Sound right to you?
As a complete thought, I see this teaching us that more than one prophet can speak, and (literally) others are to judge, from diakrino, more evaluate.
If you are speaking, yield to another. All can have their opportunity, but in order, the spirits of the prophets is subject to the prophets, God does not create confusion, but you can all control yourselves, so that all may prophecy, and all learn, and all be comforted.
If God could speak through a donkey then...You actually found something "profound" at CF? LOL
If God could speak through a donkey then...
All of us were, or still are, beasts [donkeys are included]; or have, or have had, the nature of beasts. Given this, you would be correct that some are grazing here, but pointing any out would probably NOT be a good idea.Weren't we all donkeys once? I know I was...
And I could identify several who have come grazing through here, too.
And how would the judging be done?That is the literal translation, "spirits of prophets to prophets is being subject", or, to match the English order, "spirits of prophets is being subject to prophets".
I think the key is the context.
1 Corinthians 14
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
As a complete thought, I see this teaching us that more than one prophet can speak, and (literally) others are to judge, from diakrino, more evaluate.
If you are speaking, yield to another. All can have their opportunity, but in order, the spirits of the prophets is subject to the prophets, God does not create confusion, but you can all control yourselves, so that all may prophecy, and all learn, and all be comforted.
So I think it teaches us that each who prophesy are able to control themselves so that order is maintained, and no one dominates.
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Durn! You just got me to delete a post-in-progress that was at least three pages long.All of us were, or still are, beasts [donkeys are included]; or have, or have had, the nature of beasts. Given this, you would be correct that some are grazing here, but pointing any out would probably NOT be a good idea.
Let me know if the link doesn't work for you. It should come up as Page 1 of "Help with 1 Cor 14:32" by Carl Emerson, posted in General Theology.
It works.Let me know if the link doesn't work for you. It should come up as Page 1 of "Help with 1 Cor 14:32" by Carl Emerson, posted in General Theology.
So you let yourself be swayed....by the wind; this way and that way.Durn! You just got me to delete a post-in-progress that was at least three pages long.
In my view, we compare to Scripture firstly.And how would the judging be done?
Is this what the Bible states, or is this your own rule to follow?There MUST be an elder in attendance...maybe a pastor or a priest.
Can you show me where in the Bible we're taught about taking authority over each other? I'm not aware of such a place.Someone of authority must be present.
And personal prophecy is not such a good idea.
Some pretty bad experiences could come from this.
IF someone does prophecy (speak a word from God) to someone then it must be to edify. I have had experience with this.