The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

[Behold]

"if sanctification is not the name of the life process we go through, what is?

Both unbelievers and believers go through a "Life" process.

Are unbelievers sanctified by their life process as you teach is "sanctification"?

How is them dealing with the hardships of life, not their sanctification, ... yet, if you have the same hard life, its your sanctification, according to your theology?

"well behold, the difference is,... we change into Jesus, by our hard life's processing power".

Really?

Actually what happens, is that Christians may get BITTER, blame God and give up, many times.... and quit., and yet, they are born again and will go to heaven.
While some unbelievers, get stronger, and last longer and come out of the life process, very noble and refined.
More Christlike, yet still Hell bound.

 

[M3n0r4h]

this has nothing to do with the OP subject: the 10 commandments are forever.

on the contrary, it has everything to do with the OP.

we are still called to obey the 10 Commandments.

we are all a work in progress. we don't do that work, God does.

we are to commit our hearts to Him and to strive daily to obey His Commandments and His indwelling Spirit helps us to do that by giving us the very desire to obey and empowering us to do so.

we are to strive for perfection and we stumble often along the way. those who call themselves sinners are not striving for perfect obedience, they have accepted and embraced a life of sin and march on believing they are forgiven for it.

they are not.

if they were, huge portions of the NT would not exist.

in that case, you could sum up the NT with "Jesus died for us and you may live your life any way you like now in ease and without worry about the enemy or anything else."

that is not the case.

 

[M3n0r4h]

a) It is not "obnoxious"

b) You are not expressing Christianity when you write nonsense like "modern professed Christians who hate the idea of the Bible having any rules in it that pertain to them"

b) Read Galatians! Here is are two small sections to get you started...

"You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?" Galatians 3:1-3

"For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit." Galatians 3:10-14

Perhaps you will understand faith versus law, or perhaps you will continue in your spiritually-blind legalism.



I believe Paul, not you.

sorry, but obedience to God is not legalism.

you should have a discussion with Him about that.

thousands of years of Prophets and servants of God giving their lives for the cause of obedience to Him and His stated Ways, and to write and get the Bible into our hands was all for nothing.

God is fully content with us living any old way we like.

NOT.

 

[M3n0r4h]

So the Holy Spirit whom God gave us is flawed? As members of Christ's body, we are flawed? His crucifixion didn't have a full effect?

"... the Bible is clear that the majority of God's professed people are destroyed for lack of knowledge", but of course you are the clear exception! LOL!!!

BTW, who appointed you to judge and condemn the body of Christ? Writing such nonsense as "none of them in the churches today have any Holy Spirit discernment to set off any alarm bells that what they are hearing is not Truth." You, of course, are the clear exception. LOL!!!

Why not take a break and read the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector (and the verses following). You might learn something!

And put out your legalism menorah!

anybody who remains in the modern corrupted churches today, with all the nonsense they are preaching, does not have spiritual discernment to alert them to the fraud and heresy that is being foisted upon them.

it's just a fact.

those who have it will not remain there long.

sorry to pinch a nerve.

Truth hurts.

 

[M3n0r4h]

There is a good possibility of that. a) His "handle" is (decoded) "menorah" and b) he believes in OT legalism.

it's quite obviously Menorah, but not for the reason you think.

and obedience to God is far from legalism.

pretty sad that you are so convinced of that.

perfect example of the lack of Biblical understanding within modern Christendom.

 

[Jim B]

on the contrary, it has everything to do with the OP.

we are still called to obey the 10 Commandments.

we are all a work in progress. we don't do that work, God does.

we are to commit our hearts to Him and to strive daily to obey His Commandments and His indwelling Spirit helps us to do that by giving us the very desire to obey and empowering us to do so.

we are to strive for perfection and we stumble often along the way. those who call themselves sinners are not striving for perfect obedience, they have accepted and embraced a life of sin and march on believing they are forgiven for it.

they are not.

if they were, huge portions of the NT would not exist.

in that case, you could sum up the NT with "Jesus died for us and you may live your life any way you like now in ease and without worry about the enemy or anything else."

that is not the case.

You wrote "sanctification is God separating us to Himself", which has nothing to do with the OP subject: the ten commandments.

And you can repeat "we are still called to obey the 10 Commandments" 10,000 times bgut that still doesn't make it true. Clearly you don't understand the law's purpose, which is to lead us to Christ. You can not be under both covenants simultaneously; there is the old (former) covenant and the new (present) covenant.

The rest of your post is so wrong that it doesn't merit a discussion.

 

[Jim B]

sorry, but obedience to God is not legalism.

you should have a discussion with Him about that.

thousands of years of Prophets and servants of God giving their lives for the cause of obedience to Him and His stated Ways, and to write and get the Bible into our hands was all for nothing.

God is fully content with us living any old way we like.

NOT.

Why do you persist in distorting the truth?

Obedience to God and obedience to the OT law are two separate subjects. Conflating them is distorting the truth. You should have a discussion with Him about that.

The rest of your post doesn't deserve a response. Try understanding the truth in Christ!

 

[Jim B]

anybody who remains in the modern corrupted churches today, with all the nonsense they are preaching, does not have spiritual discernment to alert them to the fraud and heresy that is being foisted upon them.

it's just a fact.

those who have it will not remain there long.

sorry to pinch a nerve.

Truth hurts.

Who are you to condemn the body of Christ???

You don't understand the truth!!!

 

[Jim B]

it's quite obviously Menorah, but not for the reason you think.

and obedience to God is far from legalism.

pretty sad that you are so convinced of that.

perfect example of the lack of Biblical understanding within modern Christendom.

You spout your false ideology and then claim that disagreeing with you is a "perfect example of the lack of Biblical understanding within modern Christendom". LOL!!!

 

[Jim B]

If anyone needs the OT law to govern their lives, then they are not guided by the Holy Spirit. In other words, they are not Christian. QED.

 

[M3n0r4h]

You wrote "sanctification is God separating us to Himself", which has nothing to do with the OP subject: the ten commandments.

And you can repeat "we are still called to obey the 10 Commandments" 10,000 times bgut that still doesn't make it true. Clearly you don't understand the law's purpose, which is to lead us to Christ. You can not be under both covenants simultaneously; there is the old (former) covenant and the new (present) covenant.

The rest of your post is so wrong that it doesn't merit a discussion.

no one is forcing you to discuss any of my posts.

Those who obey the 10 Commandments and teach others to do the same are considered by God to be GREATEST in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Matt. 5:19

(hint: that's NT and Jesus speaking)

Those who do not obey the 10 Commandments won't even ENTER into the Kingdom.
Matt. 5:20
Matt. 23:1-3

-if your righteousness does not exceed that of the Scribes and Pharisees, who taught the 10 but didn't even obey them themselves, you will never enter into the Kingdom.
Matt. 5:20

that all 100% contradicts your entire position here.

sounds like you are the one contrary to the OP now, doesn't it.

 

[Pearl]

The Ten Commandments are for sinners. It is the Law. People who are born of God do not sin but walk in the Spirit, so are not under the law. We, instead, keep the Spirit of the Law, not the letter, whether that letter is Saturday or Sunday.

The Spirit of the Sabbath is 24/7/365, moment by moment abiding in Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath.

God gave the 10 commandments to his chosen people after releasing them from captivity in Egypt. God did not give the commandments to the Egyptians or any other nation apart from the Israelites.

 

[M3n0r4h]

You spout your false ideology and then claim that disagreeing with you is a "perfect example of the lack of Biblical understanding within modern Christendom". LOL!!!

what false ideology is that?

you disagree with God's Word, not me.

I'm just a messenger who you, so much like your brethren in the Bible, are trying like heck to destroy.

good luck with that.

 

[M3n0r4h]

God gave the 10 commandments to his chosen people after releasing them from captivity in Egypt. God did not give the commandments to the Egyptians or any other nation apart from the Israelites.

that's the common modern teaching in churches, but it's not what the Bible clearly reveals to those who study it diligently.

take a closer look at post #1 in this thread.

GEN2REV got it 100% correct.

 

[M3n0r4h]

If anyone needs the OT law to govern their lives, then they are not guided by the Holy Spirit. In other words, they are not Christian. QED.

those who follow Jesus Christ are not Christian?!!!!!

wow.

just wow.

 

[Jim B]

no one is forcing you to discuss any of my posts.

Those who obey the 10 Commandments and teach others to do the same are considered by God to be GREATEST in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Matt. 5:19

(hint: that's NT and Jesus speaking)

Those who do not obey the 10 Commandments won't even ENTER into the Kingdom.
Matt. 5:20
Matt. 23:1-3

-if your righteousness does not exceed that of the Scribes and Pharisees, who taught the 10 but didn't even obey them themselves, you will never enter into the Kingdom.
Matt. 5:20

that all 100% contradicts your entire position here.

sounds like you are the one contrary to the OP now, doesn't it.

No one is forcing you to discuss any of my posts.

Taking part of the sermon on the mount which was spoken to the Jews prior to the crucifixion and the giving of the Holy Spirt, is an excellent example of eisegesis.

Matthew 5:20, "For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

(And stop misquoting Scripture! You added these words: "who taught the 10 but didn't even obey them themselves") "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book" Revelation 22:18

It is heresy to write "Those who do not obey the 10 Commandments won't even ENTER into the Kingdom. Nobody will ever enter heaven by keeping the OT law!! a) Nobody (except Jesus Christ)b ever kept the OT law perfectly.

Romans 3:19-25a, "Now we know that, whatever the law says, it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world may be held accountable to God. For no human will be justified before him by deeds prescribed by the law, for through the law comes the knowledge of sin.

But now, apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been disclosed and is attested by the Law and the Prophets, the righteousness of God through the faith of Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction, since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a sacrifice of atonement by his blood, effective through faith."

How can you not understand what the Bible clearly says??? Nobody can be justified by keeping the OT law! It is impossible to keep the OT law entirely!

If a person can enter the kingdom of heaven by obeying the OT law, then Christ died for nothing!

Galatians 2:21, "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing." I suggest that you read that over and over and over until you understand what it clearly says!!!

 

[M3n0r4h]

No one is forcing you to discuss any of my posts.

Taking part of the sermon on the mount which was spoken to the Jews prior to the crucifixion and the giving of the Holy Spirt, is an excellent example of eisegesis.

Matthew 5:20, "For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

(And stop misquoting Scripture! You added these words: "who taught the 10 but didn't even obey them themselves") "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book" Revelation 22:18

It is heresy to write "Those who do not obey the 10 Commandments won't even ENTER into the Kingdom. Nobody will ever enter heaven by keeping the OT law!! a) Nobody (except Jesus Christ)b ever kept the OT law perfectly.

Romans 3:19-25a, "Now we know that, whatever the law says, it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world may be held accountable to God. For no human will be justified before him by deeds prescribed by the law, for through the law comes the knowledge of sin.

But now, apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been disclosed and is attested by the Law and the Prophets, the righteousness of God through the faith of Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction, since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a sacrifice of atonement by his blood, effective through faith."

How can you not understand what the Bible clearly says??? Nobody can be justified by keeping the OT law! It is impossible to keep the OT law entirely!

If a person can enter the kingdom of heaven by obeying the OT law, then Christ died for nothing!

Galatians 2:21, "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing." I suggest that you read that over and over and over until you understand what it clearly says!!!

I love your passion.

very misplaced, ... but passionate.

there's no heresy being spoken by me. just take a look at the texts I posted. simple.

Matt. 5:20 says that if your righteousness doesn't exceed that of the Scribes and Pharisees, you won't enter.
Jesus tells us in Matt. 23:1-3 that those people teach the 10 Commandments but don't obey them.

therefore, for all of you here who are teaching that we should NEVER obey the 10 Commandments, your righteousness hasn't even reached the level of those people Jesus was referring to.

Matt. 5:19 clearly states that those who obey them and teach them are considered greatest by Him.

sorry that you are struggling to accept exactly what the Bible teaches.

take another look at post #1 about your insistence that the 10 Commandments were only given to the jews. the Bible undeniably teaches otherwise.

God bless you and you're doing a great job fighting hard for what you misunderstand to be the Truth. just keep studying. it takes time.

 

[Jim B]

I love your passion.

very misplaced, ... but passionate.

there's no heresy being spoken by me. just take a look at the texts I posted. simple.

Matt. 5:20 says that if your righteousness doesn't exceed that of the Scribes and Pharisees, you won't enter.
Jesus tells us in Matt. 23:1-3 that those people teach the 10 Commandments but don't obey them.

therefore, for all of you here who are teaching that we should NEVER obey the 10 Commandments, your righteousness hasn't even reached the level of those people Jesus was referring to.

Matt. 5:19 clearly states that those who obey them and teach them are considered greatest by Him.

sorry that you are struggling to accept exactly what the Bible teaches.

take another look at post #1 about your insistence that the 10 Commandments were only given to the jews. the Bible undeniably teaches otherwise.

God bless you and you're doing a great job fighting hard for what you misunderstand to be the Truth. just keep studying. it takes time.

When are you going to understand how to read and interpret the Bible correctly?

In Matthew, to whom was Jesus speaking? OT Jews, not Christians! It is bizarre to write "your righteousness hasn't even reached the level of those people Jesus was referring to" when a) again, He was speaking to OT Jews and b) it clearly says in Romans 3:21-22a, "But now, apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been disclosed and is attested by the Law and the Prophets, the righteousness of God through the faith of Jesus Christ for all who believe." So in one sentence, your claim is disproven!

Believers have the righteousness of God in Jesus Christ, who fulfilled the OT law entirely. To put yourself back under the law is to deny the salvific work of Jesus Christ!

Sorry that you are struggling to accept exactly what the Bible teaches! You're fighting hard for what you misunderstand to be the Truth.

 

[Pearl]

that's the common modern teaching in churches, but it's not what the Bible clearly reveals to those who study it diligently.

take a closer look at post #1 in this thread.

GEN2REV got it 100% correct.

In my bible God gave the ten commandments to the Israelites fleeing captivity in Egypt because they were God's own chosen people. It is believed by modern churches that the commandments are for everybody. I believe that although the commandments are a good template for everybody to follow they are not for sinners as people seem to think.

 

[M3n0r4h]

In my bible God gave the ten commandments to the Israelites fleeing captivity in Egypt because they were God's own chosen people. It is believed by modern churches that the commandments are for everybody. I believe that although the commandments are a good template for everybody to follow they are not for sinners as people seem to think.

absolutely.

can you share the verses from your Bible located at Deut. 29:10-11 & 14-15 please?

can you share which churches today teach that the 10 Commandments are still relevant and that people should keep them please?

thank you.

God bless.