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Romans 7:4)
What law was it that needed to be made dead through the body of Christ? The ten commandments or the law that pointed forward to and previously stood in the place of His atoning ministry?
(I guess I should have asked you first if you were open to the possibility that the NT speaks of
more than one type of law--I forget)
Oh, yes, and I still go to the Old Testament regarding other aspects of the laws they were under. For instance, remarriage. My Christian husband divorced me
without cause 20 years ago. I still don't date, and I still wear my rings because otherwise I also would be committing adultry if I dated or remarried. I wear my rings because it is a no-fly zone to men. I had cause, but didn't act on it. He didn't have cause, but acted on it, and though he is married now to his mistress, even though the week before their wedding I wanted to make sure she knew what she was headed for (hell), so asked her to read Mark 10:11-12. I didn't read it to her or say anything else, I left it all up to her, so that she had time to stop it, but she went to him afterwards, and heaven knows how he interpreted it - pathological liar in sheep's clothing of a "Christian".
I kept asking the Lord why He allowed the divorce when He hates divorce. It took two years of asking, and He finally answered. "Because He knew Steven would never repent." I believe I was actually free, but I KNEW Steven didn't have cause, and I wasn't the one to divorce him; and I never acknowledged the divorce papers, or went to court, even though the separation of assets were false and illegal. The Spirit led me to be completely separated from all things sinful, even by Steven. What I knew was a hardening of the heart in the Church and used as a loop-hole was that he was the adulterer. But "without cause" was the fine print that kept me diligent to have nothing to do with sin, besides causing any man who wanted me to sin.
The laws on remarriage are confirmed by Jesus.
Deuteronomy 24:1-“When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some uncleanness in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts
it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, 2 when she has departed from his house, and goes and
becomes another man’s wife, 3
if the latter husband detests her and writes her a certificate of divorce, puts
it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her as his wife, 4
then her former husband who divorced her must not take her back to be his wife
after she has been defiled; for that
is an abomination before the Lord, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the Lord your God is giving you
as an inheritance.
Matthew 19:8 He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and
whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”
We are also still under the laws against incest, which is a sexual sin and reiterated in the NT.
But there are other laws though, including the Ten Commandments that the New Covenant abolished, and clearly says so by the apostles.
I know you believe that the Ten Commandments ARE NOT the LAW that Paul is talking about. But a verse you didn't come to in your post was the very next one. Otherwise you wouldn't have mention the "other laws." And Backlit wouldn't be denying it so ardently. I know it must be very tough to wrap your heads around, and Backlit as much as said so. I feel for you, but I had the same decision you will have to make when I was 23 and even beyond as I kept rehashing it in my mind.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”
Barn, and @Backlit, be honest. What "law" is Paul in verse 7 referring to?
All I would have to say about
1 John 3:23 is that it doesn't read this way:
And
this is His (ONLY) commandment:
(The previous verse--
1 John 3:22--actually speaks of more than one commandment.)
There are two, not one.
(1)"Love God with all your strength, mind and heart and (2) love your neighbor as yourself" are the two eternal commandments that both the Ten Commandments and the New Covenant commandments to believe in Jesus, and love your neighbors were the templates for. They are eternal. But the Ten Commandments said nothing about love, except "but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments." But nothing about loving their neighbors. Love is why the New Covenant commandments that John writes about (always note the author), superseded the Old Covenant commandments of what John also refers to as of the Father in John 15:10, even though many SDA always like to point out that it was the Son on the mountain, but it doesn't change what John said. That verse is about two different sets of commandments and covenants.
10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
John 13:34
A
new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to
fulfill.
With our changed nature with God's eternal laws written on our hearts to LOVE, we establish the law. That also is what is mistaken about what laws are written on our hearts. It is not merely not to murder, but deeper not to hate, and to LOVE.