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The destructions of Jerusalem and Israel were both physical and spiritual events.

Both events were absolutely indispensable to signal the final annihilation and disappearance of the old covenant, and to herald the inauguration and establishment of the New Covenant.

Both events were under the complete command and control of Messiah the Prince.

Neither event can be dismissed or denied.

Not according to Scripture I quoted earlier. Remember the temple has to be destroyed and in three days it will rebuilt. The question is what temple was this? And how did it rebuild in three days? Obviously, it did not occur in 70AD since the New Testament congregation already started with the resurrection of Christ and Pentecost.
 

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Not according to Scripture I quoted earlier. Remember the temple has to be destroyed and in three days it will rebuilt. The question is what temple was this? And how did it rebuild in three days? Obviously, it did not occur in 70AD since the New Testament congregation already started with the resurrection of Christ and Pentecost.
Matthew 24
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

That physical temple of stones and buildings was thrown down in 70 AD, never to be rebuilt.
 
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Matthew 24
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

That physical temple of stones and buildings was thrown down in 70 AD, never to be rebuilt.

No, not 70AD. Exactly WHEN was it destroyed and HOW? That is the question.

When? We don't have to speculate, we search the scriptures to find out when the holy city was destroyed. When, is not subject to our own personal opinions, private interpretations, or favorite historian. So the question is, when does the Bible illustrate that the Holy City was Destroyed, and more importantly HOW was it destroyed? Observe carefully:

Matthew 23:37-38
  • "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
  • Behold, your house is left unto you desolate."
Was this Holy City, this Jerusalem Christ was talking about, left desolate in AD 70, honestly?! NO! It was left spiritually desolate because it is the Old Testament congregation that Christ was speaking about! Christ is NOT talking about a physical city being destroyed, or physical bricks falling in ruin, but of a corporate people of God. The very people who have killed the prophets! The very people who had rejected God's servants and prophets despite God's care and care of them. A people who were supposed to be the holy city but who loved abominations rather than righteousness and as a result would be left desolate, and no longer be the city of peace. He was not talking about a city being destroyed by Romans some 37 years later, but a spiritual city brought to blindness and ruin by their wickedness, right here when Christ said it in Matthew 23 above.

The fact is, interpretations don't belong to Josephus, they belong to God (Genesis 40:8 ). God doesn't leave it up to human bias, historians or man to judge so-called Biblical facts, if that were the case, we would all come to totally different conclusions reading the same Bible! Which (by the way) is the very reason that we have so many diverse interpretations in the churches. Because so many professing Christians do not hold to the sound hermeneutic of allowing the Bible to interpret itself. People use the methodology of thinking they can "of themselves" discern truth through speculation and secular history. No way that is a sound system. Truth about prophecy is found upon the pages of the Bible, Not on the pages of history books. The Spirit of God that is within every believer does not reveal whether historical facts/events line up with prophecies, it reveals when scripture lines up with scripture, when it is in harmony with itself, thus revealing the truth of how God Himself interprets imagery, symbols, and prophecies.

By contrast, you seem to be saying that history, as found in secular history books, is an accurate way to interpret God's word. If that is what you believe, I would say that is an unsound system of interpretation. Assumption is the mother of errors. Secular History may be true, but it also may not be. For "History is written by the victors," and we should never assume that what is written is the truth just because it finds its way into renowned books. Nevertheless, even if it were "mostly" true, we can never use secular history to interpret or understand God's word. God didn't inspire His holy word to be interpreted by books written by uninspired men like Josephus. The Bible is meant to be interpreted by the Bible, not by comparing it to what other men may have written. That's the most basic and fundamental of all sound interpretation. itself. The only infallible means of interpretation is an infallible word. Scripture interprets scripture because interpretations belong to God (Genesis 40:8 ), and God today speaks to us through His word. Anything else is a private interpretation.

2nd Peter 1:20
  • "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."
Prophesy has never been subject to any man's historical observations, personal opinions, individual explanations or learned, scholarly suppositions. Interpretation is by God through God's word alone. Now let discuss Matthew 24:1-2 you quoted:

Matthew 24:1-2
  • "And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
  • And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."
Of course, the natural man would look at this and think that God was speaking about a physical temple building, but the spiritual man knows God speaks of the congregation AS a temple and those within it AS the stones of that Temple falling! That's not something I made up, that's a Biblical fact. And as far as the prophecy, and despite suppositions to the contrary, our Lord was very specific saying not only that "not one stone would be left standing one upon another of it, but further amplified it by saying they (the stones one upon another) would all (BAR NONE) be thrown down! Even by using the vaunted secular history books we know of a certainty that more than one stone was STILL left standing one upon another after AD 70. In point of fact, to this very day there are foundation stones left standing "one upon another" of the physical Temple. Moreover, there were (and let's not forget this) many stones of the physical city Jerusalem left standing one upon another. Again, the qualifying prophecy was that "not one stone would be left standing one upon another. Too many people want to "ignore" this qualification because it doesn't fit or conform to their personal/private interpretations of this prophecy taking place in AD 70.

Luke 19:41-46
  • "And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
  • Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
  • For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
  • And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
  • And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought;
  • Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves."

Many Christians refuse to hear the part where Christ unambiguously says the city shall be laid even with the ground and her children within her. Christ was talking about the children of the congregation! It's very willfully convenient to leave that part out. Who TRULY were the enemies of Jerusalem and how were they compassed round about her. Who truly brought the city to desolation? Was it the Romans, or was it those (Jews) who would smite the Shepherd? Only by comparing scripture with scripture will we ever know the "TRUE" answer to that. No, it's NOT the Romans! Christ said that the city Jerusalem itself and all its children within would be laid even with the ground so that Not one stone would be left standing one upon another. The children are the Jews! In other words, the children of the congregation were being JUDGED for rejecting the Messiah the Prince and were blind and they lost the kingdom representation that Christ took from them with His death! Again, Christ's specific qualification for fulfillment, not mine. Of course, the physical city remained with many stones left standing one upon another, which means that the physical city in AD 70 was NOT what Christ was speaking about in the prophecy. Only their spiritual city, the Old Testament congregation qualifies for having been completely laid even with the ground and brought to desolation. We have to understand, Christ didn't weep for "literal stones" or for the physical city of Jerusalem, He wept for His congregation Jerusalem, the very people who were the stones and the city proper!!! It is "THEY" as the stones who would be brought to desolation or total ruin by their abominations, and it is they who were laid even with the ground. That is why the Apostle Paul also Wept for his kinsmen according to the flesh. Because He understood that at that moment, they were no longer the people of God. Selah! That is the ruin that came upon Jerusalem because of her abominations.

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Romans 9:8
  • "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."
Something has ALREADY taken place where the Old Testament congregation has been brought to ruin. They have been thrown down and will never be the representation of the holy city of God ever again! This is why the veil of the Holy Temple being torn in two signified!

Matthew 27:50-51
  • "Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
  • And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;"
This true destruction of Jerusalem, the holy city! It is the CONGREGATION with people as STONES of the building! It was not about literal limestone stones that mostly fell in AD 70, but when Christ was crucified on the cross! When the Temple veil was torn in two and the rocks rent that symbolized there was instituted a new way, a New Temple (a rebuilding or as Biblically put, "Build again"). And in order for the building to again, there would have to be the ruin before FIRST! Selah! For how do you rebuild up something that has not been previously brought down to ruin. Not one stone was left one upon another in that city because by their abominations, it was laid waste--the Kingdom was taken from them (Old Testament congregation) and given to another (New Testament congregation). Where all stones were ALREADY thrown down, Christ came to start the rebuilding, being the cornerstone of that rebuilding...in THREE DAYS. Obviously it did not occur in 70AD.

Matthew 21:42-43
  • "Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
  • Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."
The Holy City representation of the congregation of God, the kingdom of God on earth, was taken from them and was instituted in the New Testament Church. Christ is the beginning, the cornerstone of that rebuilding of what was brought to ruin. The people of the congregation built upon Him are the STONES of that rebuilding of city and Temple. This is the building of the temple the Lord talked about in Matthew 24 that was thrown down -- stones falling down -- refers to the judgment of His people of the congreagtion. It's not rocket science, it's simply understanding Scripture spiritually, the way our Lord fully intended. Do you realize that Christians are spiritual beings, we don't understand things in the way the world does, but in the Spirit of truth. Comparing scripture with scripture in the only sound hermeneutic whereby we may understand righteously God's view of things.


1st Corinthians 2:13
  • "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."
Spiritual discerned! Not by comparing the carnal, natural and physical with the carnal, but by spiritual with spiritual. These are things that man's natural wisdom will miss as he looks to worldly or carnal interpretations through history books, nations and political rulers.

It is only in searching the word of God where we will find how Jerusalem was brought to desolation and ruin, and when.

Matthew 12:25-27
  • "And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
  • And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
  • And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges."
Jerusalem was brought to ruin because it was a city that was divided against itself, no longer Holy and couldn't stand. That's not talking about an inanimate object such as a physical city or physical stones in 70AD, but PEOPLE of the congregation! Thus they were destroyed, every last stone laid level with the ground. And a rebuilding commenced in THREE DAYS with Christ as the FIRST STONE! This is the "TRUE" restoration of Israel, which secular history cannot dream of comprehending. This already took place at the Cross. THe New Testament congregation already began. Not 70AD!

Acts 15:16-17
  • "After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
  • That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things."
The Tabernacle had fallen, and in three days, it had to be rebuilt, and the ruins restored, and this is all talking about Christ and the New Testament congregation! Selah! Please look deeper into the prophecy and know that it is true. What many people don't understand is the spiritual nature of the Bible. A literal Temple or rebuilding is NOT in view! But these people (Jews) were the stones that were laid level in ruin, and Christ was the beginning of a new building, with new stones as the new builders - the Gentiles and Jews. God is not interested in physical bricks falling except in seeing what they may not see.

Matthew 21:41-43
  • "They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
  • Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
  • Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."
The Old Jerusalem was laid ruin at the cross by their rejection of Christ, the New Testament Jerusalem is built on their ruins, and we, Christians, are the stones of that "building again" of the ruins since Pentecost! One laid one upon another. These are spiritual truths, not truths anyone will find in a secular history book like Josephus, but ONLY in the word of God diligently searched out! And in searching it out we find that the Temple was destroyed at His death. But the responsibility for that destruction rests upon the head of those who rejected Christ. They (according to scripture) destroyed the sanctuary, they are those who Jesus said (according to scripture) "destroy this temple," and in three days the Lord raised it up. Sure, we can wax poetic about how no one really destroyed the Temple or the New Testament did not start until AD 70 , but according to prophesy, they not only did destroy the holy temple by their abominations, but that it was left desolate (totally in ruins) by its abominations. Obviously not by Romans.

Anyone can study history. There is no Biblical law against the study of History. The problem comes in when Christians attempt to use secular history to prove fulfilled scripture. Don't forget that history doesn't prove scripture, scripture proves History! The scriptures are not in error, your understanding of them is in error. That can be very easily proven, IF we take Christ at his word when He says that not one stone will be left standing one upon another. For example, there were many stones STILL left standing one upon another after the Romans attack of the city, and anyone can prove that for themselves by visit Jerusalem today and seeing the ruins and walls and stones left standing one upon another. Unless Jesus made a mistake in claiming they wouldn't be left that way, then obviously your understanding of what He truly was saying is flawed.
 

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(Continued from previous post due to space)

Romans 9:8
  • "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."
Something has ALREADY taken place where the Old Testament congregation has been brought to ruin. They have been thrown down and will never be the representation of the holy city of God ever again! This is why the veil of the Holy Temple being torn in two signified!

Matthew 27:50-51
  • "Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
  • And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;"
This true destruction of Jerusalem, the holy city! It is the CONGREGATION with people as STONES of the building! It was not about literal limestone stones that mostly fell in AD 70, but when Christ was crucified on the cross! When the Temple veil was torn in two and the rocks rent that symbolized there was instituted a new way, a New Temple (a rebuilding or as Biblically put, "Build again"). And in order for the building to again, there would have to be the ruin before FIRST! Selah! For how do you rebuild up something that has not been previously brought down to ruin. Not one stone was left one upon another in that city because by their abominations, it was laid waste--the Kingdom was taken from them (Old Testament congregation) and given to another (New Testament congregation). Where all stones were ALREADY thrown down, Christ came to start the rebuilding, being the cornerstone of that rebuilding...in THREE DAYS. Obviously it did not occur in 70AD.

Matthew 21:42-43
  • "Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
  • Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."
The Holy City representation of the congregation of God, the kingdom of God on earth, was taken from them and was instituted in the New Testament Church. Christ is the beginning, the cornerstone of that rebuilding of what was brought to ruin. The people of the congregation built upon Him are the STONES of that rebuilding of city and Temple. This is the building of the temple the Lord talked about in Matthew 24 that was thrown down -- stones falling down -- refers to the judgment of His people of the congreagtion. It's not rocket science, it's simply understanding Scripture spiritually, the way our Lord fully intended. Do you realize that Christians are spiritual beings, we don't understand things in the way the world does, but in the Spirit of truth. Comparing scripture with scripture in the only sound hermeneutic whereby we may understand righteously God's view of things.


1st Corinthians 2:13
  • "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."
Spiritual discerned! Not by comparing the carnal, natural and physical with the carnal, but by spiritual with spiritual. These are things that man's natural wisdom will miss as he looks to worldly or carnal interpretations through history books, nations and political rulers.

It is only in searching the word of God where we will find how Jerusalem was brought to desolation and ruin, and when.

Matthew 12:25-27
  • "And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
  • And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
  • And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges."
Jerusalem was brought to ruin because it was a city that was divided against itself, no longer Holy and couldn't stand. That's not talking about an inanimate object such as a physical city or physical stones in 70AD, but PEOPLE of the congregation! Thus they were destroyed, every last stone laid level with the ground. And a rebuilding commenced in THREE DAYS with Christ as the FIRST STONE! This is the "TRUE" restoration of Israel, which secular history cannot dream of comprehending. This already took place at the Cross. THe New Testament congregation already began. Not 70AD!

Acts 15:16-17
  • "After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
  • That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things."
The Tabernacle had fallen, and in three days, it had to be rebuilt, and the ruins restored, and this is all talking about Christ and the New Testament congregation! Selah! Please look deeper into the prophecy and know that it is true. What many people don't understand is the spiritual nature of the Bible. A literal Temple or rebuilding is NOT in view! But these people (Jews) were the stones that were laid level in ruin, and Christ was the beginning of a new building, with new stones as the new builders - the Gentiles and Jews. God is not interested in physical bricks falling except in seeing what they may not see.

Matthew 21:41-43
  • "They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
  • Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
  • Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."
The Old Jerusalem was laid ruin at the cross by their rejection of Christ, the New Testament Jerusalem is built on their ruins, and we, Christians, are the stones of that "building again" of the ruins since Pentecost! One laid one upon another. These are spiritual truths, not truths anyone will find in a secular history book like Josephus, but ONLY in the word of God diligently searched out! And in searching it out we find that the Temple was destroyed at His death. But the responsibility for that destruction rests upon the head of those who rejected Christ. They (according to scripture) destroyed the sanctuary, they are those who Jesus said (according to scripture) "destroy this temple," and in three days the Lord raised it up. Sure, we can wax poetic about how no one really destroyed the Temple or the New Testament did not start until AD 70 , but according to prophesy, they not only did destroy the holy temple by their abominations, but that it was left desolate (totally in ruins) by its abominations. Obviously not by Romans.

Anyone can study history. There is no Biblical law against the study of History. The problem comes in when Christians attempt to use secular history to prove fulfilled scripture. Don't forget that history doesn't prove scripture, scripture proves History! The scriptures are not in error, your understanding of them is in error. That can be very easily proven, IF we take Christ at his word when He says that not one stone will be left standing one upon another. For example, there were many stones STILL left standing one upon another after the Romans attack of the city, and anyone can prove that for themselves by visit Jerusalem today and seeing the ruins and walls and stones left standing one upon another. Unless Jesus made a mistake in claiming they wouldn't be left that way, then obviously your understanding of what He truly was saying is flawed.
Did the physical temple exist in 69 AD?
 

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You said "Not all and every physical stones of the temple and the city buildings in 69AD fell in 70AD."

So describe or identify something that didn't fall.

Like I state in my post, go buy yourself a flight ticket to Jerusalem and see for yourself. Regardless I have explained that the stones in Scripture are PEOPLE. And you haven’t answered my question on how did the temple was rebuilt in three days… and with what? It didn’t occur in 70AD
 

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Matthew 21:41-43
  • "They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
  • Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
  • Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."
The Old Jerusalem was laid ruin at the cross by their rejection of Christ, the New Testament Jerusalem is built on their ruins, and we, Christians, are the stones of that "building again" of the ruins since Pentecost!


You have documented that Christ is a symbolic corner stone, but have not shown that Christian are other stones.
 

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Like I state in my post, go buy yourself a flight ticket to Jerusalem and see for yourself. Regardless I have explained that the stones in Scripture are PEOPLE. And you haven’t answered my question on how did the temple was rebuilt in three days… and with what? It didn’t occur in 70AD
You're making the claim.

You provide the proof.
 

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You have documented that Christ is a symbolic corner stone, but have not shown that Christian are other stones.

Wow. This clearly shows that you have not really compared Scirpture with Scirpture what the stones really are? For example:

Mat 21:42-45
(42) Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
(43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
(44) And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
(45) And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

This is the fall of the Old Testament congregation with Jews as the builders who have rejected Messiah the Prince. This "IS" the stones Christ talked about in Matthew 24:1-2, before the disciples understood what Christ talked about after received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. And in three days, Christ rebuilt it where He has become a chief corner stone. This is the rebuilt temple where the STONES are being added to it. They are spiritually Christians! As it is written...

Eph 2:19-22
(19) Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
(20) And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
(21) In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
(22) In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

1Pe 2:4-10

(4) To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
(5) Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
(6) Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
(7) Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
(8) And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
(9) But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
(10) Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

So yes, Christ said that He alone is a spiritual cornerstone and the people of his congregation are spiritual stones of the buildings. First the Jews in the Old Testament, then the Gentiles in the New Testament. This means that the Old Testament congregation has to fall first, which it did, at the time of Christ's death, and the rebuilding took place in 3 days where Christ is now a chief cornerstone. And the stones being added to this building in the New Testament are Christians.

Do you deny this or not?

If any have the (spiritual) ear, let him hear!
 

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You're making the claim.

You provide the proof.

Gee-whiz. The proof is in Jersualem. Go look for yourself. Buy yourself a ticket.

What you do not get is Christ is NOT talking about AD 70, not talking about a literal building, not talking about literal stones, not talking about literally killing Jews in AD 70. Christ is talking about the complete and utter fall of the Old Testament CONGREGATION which the temple of Christ' body REPRESENTED!!! Get that into your thick skull first. The 12 stones representing the Israel of God are no more. Not one stone left standing. Selah. It is the house that was devastated, and the New Testament house is the one built again IN ITS PLACE with other stones, the Gentiles of the World. Get it?? It did not take place in 70AD else you would show me how the temple fell and being rebuilt in three day with your 70AD theory?? Sorry, but ALL of this took place in three days per Christ's prophecy told to the Jews, John 2:19! Have you already forgotten that the Kingdom of God was taken from that nation leaving not one stone standing?

What "you" don't perceive is that you are the one introducing AD 70 into the scriptures and then claiming it's already in God's word. You still haven't yet learned the difference between "interpretation," and God's infallible word. It's your interpretation that in Matthew 24:1-2, Christ was referring to AD 70. But the Biblical fact is, God never ever mentioned AD 70. That's a theory of men. God's house fell by Christ's death. That's why when Christ threw the buyers and sellers out of the Temple and the Jews asked Him for a "SIGN" He had the authority to do this, Christ replied, "Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up again. -John 32:18-19" It's all interrelated, and that is what you do not comprehend. It's a day of Judgment for the city Jerusalem, and a day where the Gentiles would also come into the New Testament house rebuilt in the Lord with the same Stone the Old Testament builders rejected. A new City a New temple a New congregation. Nothing left of the Old. If there were, there would be no need for a new rebuilding, or of the Stone being the cornerstone of the New, right? But the Scripture declared:

Acts 15:14-17
  • "Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
  • And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
  • After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
  • That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things."
See? This building again is the restoration of God's congregation in the establishment of the New Testament house of God, because the Old had fallen. Not one stone was left standing in that building. And the literal holy temple of Israel is no longer the representation of the congregation of saints. Not one stone of it. It was desolated when Christ died because of Israel's abominations. And it's rebuilding was in Christ's resurrection and ascension to the throne, with the start of His millennial kingdom. Christ himself being the chief corner stone of that rebuilding (or building again), and the Apostles built upon Him, and we upon them. Together we all grow into the New Testament Holy Temple, because the Old Testament Temple was destroyed by His finished work. Why do you think Christ is called the stone that the "builders" rejected, and that becomes the corner stone of the Holy Temple? Can you answer this honestly and with bible support, "Did He wait until AD 70 for this to occur?" Humm? If you think so, when did the "three days" for the rebuilding fit in your 70AD theory then. Show me.
 

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Gee-whiz. The proof is in Jersualem. Go look for yourself. Buy yourself a ticket.

What you do not get is Christ is NOT talking about AD 70, not talking about a literal building, not talking about literal stones, not talking about literally killing Jews in AD 70. Christ is talking about the complete and utter fall of the Old Testament CONGREGATION which the temple of Christ' body REPRESENTED!!! Get that into your thick skull first. The 12 stones representing the Israel of God are no more. Not one stone left standing. Selah. It is the house that was devastated, and the New Testament house is the one built again IN ITS PLACE with other stones, the Gentiles of the World. Get it?? It did not take place in 70AD else you would show me how the temple fell and being rebuilt in three day with your 70AD theory?? Sorry, but ALL of this took place in three days per Christ's prophecy told to the Jews, John 2:19! Have you already forgotten that the Kingdom of God was taken from that nation leaving not one stone standing?

What "you" don't perceive is that you are the one introducing AD 70 into the scriptures and then claiming it's already in God's word. You still haven't yet learned the difference between "interpretation," and God's infallible word. It's your interpretation that in Matthew 24:1-2, Christ was referring to AD 70. But the Biblical fact is, God never ever mentioned AD 70. That's a theory of men. God's house fell by Christ's death. That's why when Christ threw the buyers and sellers out of the Temple and the Jews asked Him for a "SIGN" He had the authority to do this, Christ replied, "Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up again. -John 32:18-19" It's all interrelated, and that is what you do not comprehend. It's a day of Judgment for the city Jerusalem, and a day where the Gentiles would also come into the New Testament house rebuilt in the Lord with the same Stone the Old Testament builders rejected. A new City a New temple a New congregation. Nothing left of the Old. If there were, there would be no need for a new rebuilding, or of the Stone being the cornerstone of the New, right? But the Scripture declared:

Acts 15:14-17
  • "Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
  • And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
  • After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
  • That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things."
See? This building again is the restoration of God's congregation in the establishment of the New Testament house of God, because the Old had fallen. Not one stone was left standing in that building. And the literal holy temple of Israel is no longer the representation of the congregation of saints. Not one stone of it. It was desolated when Christ died because of Israel's abominations. And it's rebuilding was in Christ's resurrection and ascension to the throne, with the start of His millennial kingdom. Christ himself being the chief corner stone of that rebuilding (or building again), and the Apostles built upon Him, and we upon them. Together we all grow into the New Testament Holy Temple, because the Old Testament Temple was destroyed by His finished work. Why do you think Christ is called the stone that the "builders" rejected, and that becomes the corner stone of the Holy Temple? Can you answer this honestly and with bible support, "Did He wait until AD 70 for this to occur?" Humm? If you think so, when did the "three days" for the rebuilding fit in your 70AD theory then. Show me.
You make the claim.

You buy the ticket.

You present the proof.
 

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You make the claim.

You buy the ticket.

You present the proof.

LOL.

Anyhow, you still have not refuted my biblical position despite tons of Scripture explaining how God sees the stones of the building as PEOPLE. Not a physical stone falling. Looking forward to your explanation on rebuilding in three days with your 70AD theory. Take your time. :)
 

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LOL.

Anyhow, you still have not refuted my biblical position despite tons of Scripture explaining how God sees the stones of the building as PEOPLE. Not a physical stone falling. Looking forward to your explanation on rebuilding in three days with your 70AD theory. Take your time. :)
Your rhetoric is similar to that of papists I've encountered on this forum.

Are you a closet papist?