I agree, there is also the problem of thousands of different views on what a future literal mark of the beast is. There would have to be a universal consensus among all Christians as to what exactly the mark is else some people could inadvertently get the mark.
The 666 mark will be a tattoo
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Yes, @Marty fox, that’s really the only choice we have today: to believe in faith and walk in faith through Christ.
Not everyone fully understands Jesus, but I believe God sees the sincerity in each individual’s heart. I’m often met with questions like, “Do you really think someone who’s committed murder or done something awful can be saved?” And my response is simple: you can’t fool God. If someone’s just pretending, He sees right through it.
That clicked for a friend of mine during a conversation. He’d always heard about heaven and hell, but I shared a different perspective—that it’s really about being inside or outside the kingdom. That idea resonated with him, especially when we talked about whether someone could live recklessly and still be saved.
I explained that a murderer can be saved—not because of the act, but because of a genuine change of heart. If someone allows God to truly transform them, there's hope. But if someone uses God as a cover without any real intention of change, they’ll find themselves outside the gates. He thought that was a powerful insight.
These kinds of conversations really energize me. My friend even said that the “inside or outside the kingdom” view felt more meaningful than the traditional heaven-or-hell discussion.
We also talked about the resurrection—he wasn’t quite sure what to believe, but he did accept that Jesus was real. And I get it; these debates come up all the time. Some folks ask, “What if it’s not true?” I always say this: I can’t prove God exists, and maybe no one can—but I’d rather live and die with faith than without it. Faith isn’t about hard proof; it’s about trust, conviction, and hope.
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Now, about church—I’ve never been overly drawn to it. There are so many churches today, and none are perfect like the Bride of Christ, whom Yeshua came to gather in His time—the spotless, unwrinkled bride governed by the apostles. They rarely get the honor they deserve for what they gave to others. Most people are caught up thinking about themselves and whether they’ll make the rapture.
That’s why I don’t talk much about Jesus “coming back.” Because when I reflect on that original church—the true bride—it was unique and set apart, unlike the countless versions we see today.
Yes, @Marty fox, that’s really the only choice we have today: to believe in faith and walk in faith through Christ.
Not everyone fully understands Jesus, but I believe God sees the sincerity in each individual’s heart. I’m often met with questions like, “Do you really think someone who’s committed murder or done something awful can be saved?” And my response is simple: you can’t fool God. If someone’s just pretending, He sees right through it.
That clicked for a friend of mine during a conversation. He’d always heard about heaven and hell, but I shared a different perspective—that it’s really about being inside or outside the kingdom. That idea resonated with him, especially when we talked about whether someone could live recklessly and still be saved.
I explained that a murderer can be saved—not because of the act, but because of a genuine change of heart. If someone allows God to truly transform them, there's hope. But if someone uses God as a cover without any real intention of change, they’ll find themselves outside the gates. He thought that was a powerful insight.
These kinds of conversations really energize me. My friend even said that the “inside or outside the kingdom” view felt more meaningful than the traditional heaven-or-hell discussion.
We also talked about the resurrection—he wasn’t quite sure what to believe, but he did accept that Jesus was real. And I get it; these debates come up all the time. Some folks ask, “What if it’s not true?” I always say this: I can’t prove God exists, and maybe no one can—but I’d rather live and die with faith than without it. Faith isn’t about hard proof; it’s about trust, conviction, and hope.
@TribulationSigns
Now, about church—I’ve never been overly drawn to it. There are so many churches today, and none are perfect like the Bride of Christ, whom Yeshua came to gather in His time—the spotless, unwrinkled bride governed by the apostles. They rarely get the honor they deserve for what they gave to others. Most people are caught up thinking about themselves and whether they’ll make the rapture.
That’s why I don’t talk much about Jesus “coming back.” Because when I reflect on that original church—the true bride—it was unique and set apart, unlike the countless versions we see today.
the 7 headed 10 horned beast ? its different governments that Gods chosen where ruled by
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It will be far more than just a tattoo or QR code.
New technology can develop that will make our current hypotheses outmoded just as the barcode came and went as the mark. We will only know for certain whe it i s institured and we look down from heaven to see it.
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The purpose of Revelation was to reveal what was going to come to pass....
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John.... - Revelation 1:1
Which all of this was to heavy for just ordinary churches in Asia that did not amount to anything....
The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; - Revelation 1:20 - Revelation 2:1
Ephesus - Messianic - Beginning with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter
Smyrna - Martyr - Beginning with the Apostle to the Un-Circumcision, Paul
Pergamos - Orthodoxy formed in this time... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholicism formed in this time - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestantism formed in this time- A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism formed in this time - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Charismatic movement formed in this time - Beginning with DL Moody, the first to make money off of ministry
Candlesticks - Seven church congregations
Stars - Individuals within the congregations, all held in the right hand of Christ
Seals - The seven seals sealed each congregation within the lambs book of life
Angels - The current preacher to the congregation.
And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. - Revelation 5:4
I believe the churches came down as seven and each congregation different in their generation!
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John.... - Revelation 1:1
Which all of this was to heavy for just ordinary churches in Asia that did not amount to anything....
The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; - Revelation 1:20 - Revelation 2:1
Ephesus - Messianic - Beginning with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter
Smyrna - Martyr - Beginning with the Apostle to the Un-Circumcision, Paul
Pergamos - Orthodoxy formed in this time... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholicism formed in this time - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestantism formed in this time- A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism formed in this time - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Charismatic movement formed in this time - Beginning with DL Moody, the first to make money off of ministry
Candlesticks - Seven church congregations
Stars - Individuals within the congregations, all held in the right hand of Christ
Seals - The seven seals sealed each congregation within the lambs book of life
Angels - The current preacher to the congregation.
And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. - Revelation 5:4
I believe the churches came down as seven and each congregation different in their generation!
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And I have also wondered the similarities in which I would call earth ages. I drew up this image in the long ago. Had I to do over again I would have continued the first two churches to the end of the age. Considering remnants of the first congregation Messianic, and the second Oriental Orthodox, such as we have in Ethiopia. The Messianic congregation being a very hard group to trace.
The Original Apostles - Leadership of the first congregation.
The Apostle Paul - Leadership of the second congregation
The Apostles basically handing the second congregation over to Paul -
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles)
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. - Galatians 2
What was the second congregation in for? Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. - Revelation 2:10
If you study the Foxes Book of Martyrs you will find ten defined persecutions...
Ye Shall Have Tribulation Ten Days…
Time Persecutor Description
67 AD Nero The Smyrna Church Age begins with Nero setting fire to Rome, and then blaming the Christians
81 AD Domitian Declaration that no Christian should be exempt from punishment, Paul’s Timothy died in 97 AD.
108 AD Trajan and Adrian Severe persecution against Christians from 108 to 138 AD during the time of the Bishop Ignatius
162 AD Marcos Aurelius Marcos Aurelius, commendable in study of philosophy, sharp and fierce towards Christians.
192 AD Severus This persecution was carried out by the will and prejudice of the people and extended into Africa.
235 AD Maximus Numberless Christians were slain without trial and burned indiscriminately in heaps
249 AD Decius Began because of the amazing increase in Christianity, and with the heathen temples forsaken.
257 AD Valerian The martyrs that fell during this persecution were innumerable, their tortures and deaths painful.
274 AD Aurelian A brief persecution that ended with the emperor’s assassination.
303 AD Diocletian The last persecution ended with Constantine’s triumph against Rome in 313 AD
Constantine was no friends with the Jews or the Romans so he created the church at Constantinople. Because of the barbarian onslaught during this church age it was necessary for it to move into castles or towers, which is purgos in the Greek. It is recorded that half the human population would die from the barbarian onslaught, the church therefore would need to dwell in fortified structures.The third church would become different than the first two.
The Original Apostles - Leadership of the first congregation.
The Apostle Paul - Leadership of the second congregation
The Apostles basically handing the second congregation over to Paul -
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles)
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. - Galatians 2
What was the second congregation in for? Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. - Revelation 2:10
If you study the Foxes Book of Martyrs you will find ten defined persecutions...
Ye Shall Have Tribulation Ten Days…
Time Persecutor Description
67 AD Nero The Smyrna Church Age begins with Nero setting fire to Rome, and then blaming the Christians
81 AD Domitian Declaration that no Christian should be exempt from punishment, Paul’s Timothy died in 97 AD.
108 AD Trajan and Adrian Severe persecution against Christians from 108 to 138 AD during the time of the Bishop Ignatius
162 AD Marcos Aurelius Marcos Aurelius, commendable in study of philosophy, sharp and fierce towards Christians.
192 AD Severus This persecution was carried out by the will and prejudice of the people and extended into Africa.
235 AD Maximus Numberless Christians were slain without trial and burned indiscriminately in heaps
249 AD Decius Began because of the amazing increase in Christianity, and with the heathen temples forsaken.
257 AD Valerian The martyrs that fell during this persecution were innumerable, their tortures and deaths painful.
274 AD Aurelian A brief persecution that ended with the emperor’s assassination.
303 AD Diocletian The last persecution ended with Constantine’s triumph against Rome in 313 AD
Constantine was no friends with the Jews or the Romans so he created the church at Constantinople. Because of the barbarian onslaught during this church age it was necessary for it to move into castles or towers, which is purgos in the Greek. It is recorded that half the human population would die from the barbarian onslaught, the church therefore would need to dwell in fortified structures.The third church would become different than the first two.
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With the obvious parallels to this being the Laodicean church age, and that the church was no longer referenced after Revelation 3, I would look for things to unravel before Isaac Newton's 2060AD prophecy. And that the mark was something that was required after the time of the churches. In which I would look for a rapture in-between.
Personally, I find many of the institutional elements of faith—like denominational labels—to be somewhat unimportant. They often distract from the heart of the message. In Revelation, the letters to the seven churches in Asia Minor were delivered through messengers, encouraging those congregations to prepare themselves as the Bride of Christ. It was a direct call to spiritual readiness.
That’s why Jesus warned them to realign their lives—they were at risk of missing the fullness of His promise.
I find it challenging when people take texts written to specific, ancient audiences and apply them to modern settings without acknowledging context. Similar to how the Mosaic Age gave way to the Fulfillment Age under the new covenant we now live in, every individual today has the freedom to choose faith or not. Time moves forward, and each age brings its own challenges.
Yet Jesus said that when He returned, the events surrounding that time would be unlike anything ever seen again. The destruction of Jerusalem, especially, is often overlooked—almost dismissed—as though it holds no real weight. But that moment carried profound significance, and I wonder why it's so easily brushed aside.
Perhaps it's because people tend to focus solely on their immediate surroundings—what affects them now. But if Jesus declared that those events would be unmatched in history, and that judgment would come with fervent heat upon that generation, I believe we should take those words seriously.
So I ask, with genuine curiosity and respect: why is that hard to believe?
That’s why Jesus warned them to realign their lives—they were at risk of missing the fullness of His promise.
I find it challenging when people take texts written to specific, ancient audiences and apply them to modern settings without acknowledging context. Similar to how the Mosaic Age gave way to the Fulfillment Age under the new covenant we now live in, every individual today has the freedom to choose faith or not. Time moves forward, and each age brings its own challenges.
Yet Jesus said that when He returned, the events surrounding that time would be unlike anything ever seen again. The destruction of Jerusalem, especially, is often overlooked—almost dismissed—as though it holds no real weight. But that moment carried profound significance, and I wonder why it's so easily brushed aside.
Perhaps it's because people tend to focus solely on their immediate surroundings—what affects them now. But if Jesus declared that those events would be unmatched in history, and that judgment would come with fervent heat upon that generation, I believe we should take those words seriously.
So I ask, with genuine curiosity and respect: why is that hard to believe?
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Okay. Thank you for your response; just sharing with you.
What are you’re thoughts other than I’m wrong on that?
Do you see revelation as future or? A historical continuation?
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I know it's considered cheating but you should go to the last chapter of the book Revelation and read that God wins .
the Earth ends up being an absolute Paradise.
the Earth ends up being an absolute Paradise.
Just curious about your interpretation: how does a tattoo come to "create a painful sore" (as it says in Revelation the "mark" will do)?
quietthinker
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The head is the mind...it is HOW you think...specifically re God
The hand is what you do....HOW you behave....specifically toward your fellow man
The mark has nothing to do with a tattoo, it is HOW your heart is wired.
Believing it is a tattoo is a primitive view and sets you up to miss the Universal battle in progress for the hearts and minds of people.
Its the glory of God to hide a matter, its the glory of kings to search out a matter.
Prov 25.2. The Jews missed out on the Messiah, possibly because they failed to search the scriptures.
pandaflower
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It would maybe be a good idea to find out why the Jews then did not recognize Jesus as Messiah. Though we know many did because all of his Disciples were Jews.
And research to find out from Jews why Jews today don't recognize Jesus as Messiah.
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