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"The Antichrist" teaching is a myth

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by truthsearcher, Apr 27, 2007.

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    well, I have been trying very hard not to be vitrolic... and you have not been even in any way kind... you have called my pastors names and me... and I do not think you have any form of love for anyone in you that I can see.. you are not the first member of the SDA to attack me verbally in this forum... but you see I am trying very hard not to go to the depths so many of your congregants seem to go...I again say, you are welcome to believe what ever rhetoric you desire , and have a nice trip... also false teaching will be come against and truth will be our defense.. these words are not vitrolic or even angry. I do pity you for deciding to follow the traditions of men rather than seeking the truth deep in the word and for your obvious bitterness at anyone who does not follow you hook line and sinker, it shows a great lack of charity , without whom 1 Cor. 8:1 knowledge does nothing but puff one up...
     
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    well, I have been trying very hard not to be vitrolic... and you have not been even in any way kind... you have called my pastors names and me... and I do not think you have any form of love for anyone in you that I can see.. you are not the first member of the SDA to attack me verbally in this forum... but you see I am trying very hard not to go to the depths so many of your congregants seem to go...I again say, you are welcome to believe what ever rhetoric you desire , and have a nice trip... also false teaching will be come against and truth will be our defense.. these words are not vitrolic or even angry. I do pity you for deciding to follow the traditions of men rather than seeking the truth deep in the word and for your obvious bitterness at anyone who does not follow you hook line and sinker, it shows a great lack of charity , without whom 1 Cor. 8:1 knowledge does nothing but puff one up...
    Ok, I see, whatever you say. Can I ask a question? 2 Thessalonians 2:7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.What is this mystery of iniquity?
     
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    [/COLOR]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (II Thessalonians 2:3-4) There is a great falling away from the church at this time, as people still search for the truth instead of tradition. An soon Satan will appear as anti-Christ for a short time when Michael and his angels boots him out of heaven and down to earth. ********************************************************Kriss supplied this earlier in the thead and that is what has happened for the teachings of the Kenites still exists in so many churches.. and they are the ones whom have become this mystery those who are setting up the beast and have been doing so for about 6000 years...As I stated in another thread...********************************************************satan is not stupid , he has been at work for centuries using his seed to edit the Holy Word so that it has become a more and more difficult to find the true meaning in the Word... God used Jeremiah to show us the beginnings of it in Jeremiah 8 5Why then is this people of Jerusalem slidden back by a perpetual backsliding? they hold fast deceit, they refuse to return. 6I hearkened and heard, but they spake not aright: no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course, as the horse rusheth into the battle. 8How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain. Notice the scripture I Chron. 2:55 55And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.This shows where the seed of the murderer had infiltrated the Levites to be the scribes , the beginning of the "transltion in translation" had begun.... the hiding of truth and the deception is continuing... God has given us a guide to see what teachings we should be learning from in the book of Revelations in his discourse of the churches... there were two He was pleased with and what is the common denomination of these two churches?........ the Jews that are not Jews..Revelation 2:9. I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Revelation 3:9.. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee**********************************************************They are the current leaders of financial, religious, educational and political dynasties, they are heads of newspaper and all media, they have set up a hidden power structure... and if you don't think we are already a one world system... we are a globally tied in every named dynasty... if China has a bad day in the stock market, so do we all.... almost every university worldwide and every school is teaching evolutional theory as fact and including as much humanism as possible, the churches are following the suit of the word. In Revelation 2 and 3 God set the standard but almost all are missing the mark God set fully in the open and using instead some pie in the sky philosophy about church ages instead of the straight forward teaching of what God desires to be taught in the church.. of the Church of Smyrna it says in Revelation 2:9... I know the blasphemy of [COLOR="SandyBrown]them which say they are Jews and are not and then of Philidelphia in 3:7 the key of David is spoken of and it is this in Revelation 3:9 Behold I will make of them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not... **********************************************************These 2 churches are the only 2 God is pleased with and what do they both have in common? THIS ONE PHRASE>>>they know the truth about the enemy... if your chuch does not teach these things you are in the wrong church..point blank clear as bell, mystery solved with the key of David...**********************************************************the final arena of control political... they are every side of the political arena, the Kenites and their organizations are the one that are bringing both friend and foe to the forefront in every country... its the banker, universities and religious leaders that the candidates are drawn from, supported and groomed to hold every office.... the UN is one part of this portion of the system... **********************************************************The new world order reaches farther than one church or one church system check out this site: http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/ or this one:http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/nv2.htmhow about:http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/illumin.htmI could fill this post with hundreds of such....**********************************************************The mystery has been told as Christ promised in Luke 12:2 there is nothing covered that will not be revealed.. He was speaking of and to the very same Kenites that have continued to build ther empire of satan...in every place satan needs them not just one religious organization...
     
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    [/COLOR]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (II Thessalonians 2:3-4) There is a great falling away from the church at this time, as people still search for the truth instead of tradition. An soon Satan will appear as anti-Christ for a short time when Michael and his angels boots him out of heaven and down to earth. ********************************************************Kriss supplied this earlier in the thead and that is what ihas happened fot the teaching of the Kenites hard exists.. and they are the ones whom have become this myster those who are setting up the beast and have been doing so for about 6000 years...As I stated in another thread...********************************************************is not stupid , he has been at work for centuries using his seed to edit the Holy Word so that it has become a more and more difficult to find the true meaning in the Word... God used Jeremiah to show us the beginnings of it in Jeremiah 8 5Why then is this people of Jerusalem slidden back by a perpetual backsliding? they hold fast deceit, they refuse to return. 6I hearkened and heard, but they spake not aright: no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course, as the horse rusheth into the battle. 8How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain. Notice the scripture I Chron. 2:55 55And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.This shows where the seed of the murderer had infiltrated the Levites to be the scribes , the beginning of the "transltion in translation" had begun.... the hiding of truth and the deception is continuing... God has given us a guide to see what teachings we should be learning from in the book of Revelations in his discourse of the churches... there were two He was pleased with and what is the common denomination of these two churches?........ the Jews that are not Jews..Revelation 2:9. I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Revelation 3:9.. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee**********************************************************They are the current leaders of financial, religious, educational and political dynasties, they are heads of newspaper and all media, they have set up a hidden power structure... and if you don't think we are already a one world system... we are a globallly tied in every name dynasty... if China has a bad day in the stock market, so do we all.... almost every university worldwide and every school is teaching evolutional theory as fact and including as much humanism as possible, the churches are following the suit of the word in Revelation 2 and 3 missing the mark God set fully in the open and using instead some pie in the sky philosophy about church ages instead oif the straight forward teaching of what God desires to be taught in the church.. of the Church of Smyrna it says in Revelation 2:9... I know the blasphemy of [COLOR="SandyBrown]them which say they are Jews and are not and then of Philidelphia in 3:7 the key of David is spoken of and it is this in Revelation 3:9 Behold I will make of them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not... **********************************************************These 2 churches are the only 2 God is pleased with and what do they both have in common? THIS ONE PHRASE>>>they know the truth about the enemy... if your chuch does not teach these things you are in the wrong church..point blank clear as bell, mystery solved with the key of David...**********************************************************the final arena of control political... they are every side of the political arena, the Kenites and their organizations are the one that are bringing both firend and foe to the forefront in every country... its the banker, universities and religious leaders that the candidates are drawn from, supported and groomed to hold every office.... the UN is one part of this portion of the system... **********************************************************the new world order reaches farther than one church or one church system check out this site: http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/ or this one:http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/nv2.htmhow about:http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/illumin.htmI could fill this post with hundreds of such....**********************************************************The mystery has been told as Christ promised in Luke 12:2 there is nothing covered that will not be revealed.. He was speaking of and to the very same Kenites that have continued to build ther empire of satan...in every place satan needs them not just one religious organization...
    Wow, that's throughly interesting. So what's the mystery of iniquity?
     
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    For those whose mind has been inundated wiht false materials I will further explain the mystery which I revealed earlier in this post:
     
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    For those whose mind has been inundated wiht false materials I will further explain the mystery which I revealed earlier in this post:Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (II Thessalonians 2:3-4) There is a great falling away from the church at this time, as people still search for the truth instead of tradition. An soon Satan will appear as anti-Christ for a short time when Michael and his angels boots him out of heaven and down to earth. ************************************************** ******Kriss supplied this earlier in the thead and that is what has happened for the teachings of the Kenites still exists in so many churches.. and they are the ones whom have become this mystery those who are setting up the beast and have been doing so for about 6000 years...As I stated in another thread...************************************************** ******satan is not stupid , he has been at work for centuries using his seed to edit the Holy Word so that it has become a more and more difficult to find the true meaning in the Word... God used Jeremiah to show us the beginnings of it in Jeremiah 8 5Why then is this people of Jerusalem slidden back by a perpetual backsliding? they hold fast deceit, they refuse to return. 6I hearkened and heard, but they spake not aright: no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course, as the horse rusheth into the battle. 8How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain. Notice the scripture I Chron. 2:55 55And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.This shows where the seed of the murderer had infiltrated the Levites to be the scribes , the beginning of the "transltion in translation" had begun.... the hiding of truth and the deception is continuing... God has given us a guide to see what teachings we should be learning from in the book of Revelations in his discourse of the churches... there were two He was pleased with and what is the common denomination of these two churches?........ the Jews that are not Jews..Revelation 2:9. I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Revelation 3:9.. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee************************************************** ********They are the current leaders of financial, religious, educational and political dynasties, they are heads of newspaper and all media, they have set up a hidden power structure... and if you don't think we are already a one world system... we are a globally tied in every named dynasty... if China has a bad day in the stock market, so do we all.... almost every university worldwide and every school is teaching evolutional theory as fact and including as much humanism as possible, the churches are following the suit of the word. In Revelation 2 and 3 God set the standard but almost all are missing the mark God set fully in the open and using instead some pie in the sky philosophy about church ages instead of the straight forward teaching of what God desires to be taught in the church.. of the Church of Smyrna it says in Revelation 2:9... I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews and are not and then of Philidelphia in 3:7 the key of David is spoken of and it is this in Revelation 3:9 Behold I will make of them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not... ************************************************** ********These 2 churches are the only 2 God is pleased with and what do they both have in common? THIS ONE PHRASE>>>they know the truth about the enemy... if your chuch does not teach these things you are in the wrong church..point blank clear as bell, mystery solved with the key of David...************************************************** ********the final arena of control political... they are every side of the political arena, the Kenites and their organizations are the one that are bringing both friend and foe to the forefront in every country... its the banker, universities and religious leaders that the candidates are drawn from, supported and groomed to hold every office.... the UN is one part of this portion of the system... ************************************************** ********The new world order reaches farther than one church or one church system check out this site: http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/ or this one:http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/nv2.htmhow about:http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/illumin.htmI could fill this post with hundreds of such....************************************************** ********The mystery has been told as Christ promised in Luke 12:2 there is nothing covered that will not be revealed.. He was speaking of and to the very same Kenites that have continued to build ther empire of satan...in every place satan needs them not just one religious organization... ********************************************************end of earlier post (RND please read the final edit.. for you posted before I could proof and repair.... what I am saying is the "mystery of iniquinty" has been hidden by those who are perpetuating it.. they are the children of Cain, the Kenites, they have as documented in the Word... above infiltrated the Levitcal preisthood as scribes and they have changed the texts to suit their purposes... they have further infiltrated the financial , ALMOST ALL the religious organizations, the educational organizations and the political organizations... it really doesn't matter who you vote for, they're all on the same side... ITS A HIDDEN ORGANIZATION THAT IS MASSIVE...it incompasses the entire globe with its influence... and when satan is ready for the deadly wound , it will come...and he will step in as the natty , wonder boy and fix it.....the instead of christ who will fools all but a tiny handful of the worlds population..he is going to forgive all the massive debt people have gotten themselves into.. after all his "beast" owned the banks and credit card companies that you owe them to, the schools wiil once again teach creation, with the instead of Christ being honored for its beauty,he will be king of the earth and he wil set over it his fallen angel as governors, and the world wide religion will be the love and adoration and worship of the instead of christ..I would like for others to tell me was I that obtuse or is RND that full of his theology, it could not sink in?
     
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    For those whose mind has been inundated wiht false materials I will further explain the mystery which I revealed earlier in this post:
    The mystery of iniquity is the spirit of lawlessness. It was at work in Paul's day in the emergent church. It was at work in Jesus' day. It is at work today. The Lord Jesus Christ will destroy this spirit of lawlessness the spirit of his mouth, which is the Word of God and he shall destroy this spirit with the brightness of his coming, which is to say the Holy Spirit.He will destroy those who's words and work come just like the working of Satan's power, signs and lying wonders, with all the deceiving works of unrighteous behavior, because they don't want the truth and don't want to be saved.
     
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    well, if that is so, it dwells in the flesh bodies of the childen of Cain.
     
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    well, if that is so, it dwells in the flesh bodies of the childen of Cain.
    All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.There is none righteous, no not one.Tell me about these children of Cain. Arnold Murray teaches that Satan and Eve made babies and that these babies lineage has made it 6,000 years or so in the future.Yet clearly the Bible says that only eight souls made it throught the flood. 1 Peter 3:20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.Now Arnold Murray teaches that when God commanded Noah to take 2 of all flesh that also included 2 of the evil children of Cain.Genesis 6:19And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.Was Peter mistaken?
     
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    2 of all flesh..Kenites are flesh and so are those Black and Asian brothers and sisters... they were also taken 2 of ALL flesh and the texts use living souls not souls... why living, becasue the lineage from which Christ was to come was that lineage... the living soul....as when God breathed in the eth Ha adam on the day AFTER Shabbath, the living souls form which eteranl ikfe would come... where do you think the races came from? God created them and they were good... and flesh... The black race was not the result of some curse that Noah put on his son for sleeping with his mother...I usggest you read the study http://www.theseason.org/genesis/genesis.htm or a shorter one here on the top of the site.. ://www.christianityboard.com/true-sin-garden-eden-bible-study-t509.html
     
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    The mystery of iniquity is the spirit of lawlessness. It was at work in Paul's day in the emergent church. It was at work in Jesus' day. It is at work today. The Lord Jesus Christ will destroy this spirit of lawlessness the spirit of his mouth, which is the Word of God and he shall destroy this spirit with the brightness of his coming, which is to say the Holy Spirit.He will destroy those who's words and work come just like the working of Satan's power, signs and lying wonders, with all the deceiving works of unrighteous behavior, because they don't want the truth and don't want to be saved.
    You give not one reference to the Word , you have not been able to prove yourslef against any here from the Word, but have instead used bullying and name callingand much sarcasm... words with no back up. It is not my intention to be rude, but to point out that perhaps you should do some study and try to be more as Christ was loving and kind to those whom are "brothers and sisters in Christ"
     
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    2 of all flesh..Kenites are flesh and so are those Black and Asian brothers and sisters... they were also taken 2 of ALL flesh and the texts use living souls not souls... why living, becasue the lineage from which Christ was to come was that lineage... the living soul....as when God breathed in the eth Ha adam on the day AFTER Shabbath, the living souls form which eteranl ikfe would come... where do you think the races came from? God created them and they were good... and flesh... The black race was not the result of some curse that Noah put on his son for sleeping with his mother...I usggest you read the study http://www.theseason.org/genesis/genesis.htm or a shorter one here on the top of the site.. ://www.christianityboard.com/true-sin-garden-eden-bible-study-t509.html
    So I suppose Peter was wrong.
     
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    but I bet you are mistaken in your interpretation... Peter is the finest teacher of the ages of the earth in the Word... I assume your reference is.....II Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"II Peter 3:6 "Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:"II Peter 3:7 "But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."Are you willingly ignorant of this? first of all, it says nothing to back up your statment, even tho you are wrong in your refering it to Noah's flood.. for look at verse 7 "But the heavens and the earth which are now, " is a refence to this age when the heavens and earth are made new after the Katabol which is discussed in the earlier verses. this same Katabol (Greek) is also referred to in Jeremiah 4:22 "For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge."Jeremiah 4:23 "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light."Jeremiah 4:24 "I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightlyJeremiah 4:25 "I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled."This refernce is not Noahs flood either, see NO MAN AND NO BIRDSJeremiah 4:26 "I beheld, and lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by His fierce angerThe KATABOL...... when Satan fell and took 1/3 of the children of God with him. God stopped the earth with a flood and earthquake.. it is why the Mastadons have buttercups in their mouths buried under the tundra , and why we have the oil fields from the dinosaurs in the Mid East..So Peter and Jeremiah say this about God's children who do not know about this time "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and they are sottish children" there is no reason to be one of these please look at Denver's study .http://www.christianityboard.com/earth-age...-study-t79.htmlBe pleasing to Father and learn His truth instead of the fairy tales of men..
     
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    but I bet you are mistaken in your interpretation... Peter is the finest teacher of the ages of the earth in the Word... I assume your reference is.....II Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"II Peter 3:6 "Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:"II Peter 3:7 "But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."Are you willingly ignorant of this? first of all, it says nothing to back up your statment, even tho you are wrong in your refering it to Noah's flood.. for look at verse 7 "But the heavens and the earth which are now, " is a refence to this age when the heavens and earth are made new after the Katabol which is discussed in the earlier verses. this same Katabol (Greek) is also referred to in Jeremiah 4:22 "For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge."Jeremiah 4:23 "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light."Jeremiah 4:24 "I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightlyJeremiah 4:25 "I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled."This refernce is not Noahs flood either, see NO MAN AND NO BIRDSJeremiah 4:26 "I beheld, and lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by His fierce angerThe KATABOL...... when Satan fell and took 1/3 of the children of God with him. God stopped the earth with a flood and earthquake.. it is why the Mastadons have buttercups in their mouths buried under the tundra , and why we have the oil fields from the dinosaurs in the Mid East..So Peter and Jeremiah say this about God's children who do not know about this time "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and they are sottish children" there is no reason to be one of these please look at Denver's study .http://www.christianityboard.com/earth-age...-study-t79.htmlBe pleasing to Father and learn His truth instead of the fairy tales of men..
    1 Peter 3:20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.I just asked a simple question that you haven't answered. When Peter talked about 8 souls coming off the ark was he mistaken?
     
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    Listen .....I haven't been on line today... I have a life... strongs says immortal soul.. its immortal souls... there are 2 kinds of souls not just souls nefesh in the Strongs 5315 hebrew and 5397 n'shamah.... notice this are two souls...one is still mortal and is corelated to evil things (nefesh) one is is eternal immortal and is connected to Gods rest hence the shama( (rest) the ha is (of God)....those are the souls spoken of about Noah. why was Noah chosen to do God's work? because his family had not mixed with the fallen ones Genesis 6:9 Noah was perfect in his generations...why was God destroying everything? Genesis 6:2 the fallen ones had begun to mix with the daughters of eth Ha adam... the same lineage God has created to bring Christ's lineage.. All the souls in the lineage of Christ are n'shamah of the immortal the chosen... those who did not rebel with Satan..So you know what ....? I do not appreciate your ""I just asked a simple question that you haven't answered. When Peter talked about 8 souls coming off the ark was he mistaken?""" You have been rude and do not know how to discuss without becoming most unChristlike... if you continue in this vein I will not respond in any kind to you...as you con see I do know what I speak of... and I do not have to resort to rudeness or name calling as you have done... please dicontinue your speaking of my pastor and myself in such anger. We all are here to discuss not fight... __________________
     
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    Listen .....I haven't been on line today... I have a life... strongs says immortal soul.. its immortal souls... there are 2 kinds of souls not just souls nefesh in the Strongs 5315 hebrew and 5397 n'shamah.... notice this are two souls...one is still mortal and is corelated to evil things (nefesh) one is is eternal immortal and is connected to Gods rest hence the shama( (rest) the ha is (of God)....those are the souls spoken of about Noah. why was Noah chosen to do God's work? because his family had not mixed with the fallen ones Genesis 6:9 Noah was perfect in his generations...why was God destroying everything? Genesis 6:2 the fallen ones had begun to mix with the daughters of eth Ha adam... the same lineage God has created to bring Christ's lineage.. All the souls in the lineage of Christ are n'shamah of the immortal the chosen... those who did not rebel with Satan..So you know what ....? I do not appreciate your ""I just asked a simple question that you haven't answered. When Peter talked about 8 souls coming off the ark was he mistaken?""" You have been rude and do not know how to discuss without becoming most unChristlike... if you continue in this vein I will not respond in any kind to you...as you con see I do know what I speak of... and I do not have to resort to rudeness or name calling as you have done... please dicontinue your speaking of my pastor and myself in such anger. We all are here to discuss not fight...
    Immortality or immortal is used only six times in the Bible and none of them refer to to man being "immortal" until the resurrection. Um sorry betchevy, can't get behind that teaching of "the spirits in prison" and Jesus going to hell simply because there is no other scripture verses to back up that point of view. Not one. Zero. Zilch, Nada. Now, if you can find one, have at it and do show it to me....but I can't.I think there has been considerable misunderstanding of these verses of Scripture. You're suggesting that Christ actually decended into the lower regions of the earth and preached to lost souls who were in prison in some type of purgatory or limbo. This is "light years" from what the text actually says. The verse says, "Christ also hath once suffered for sins ... that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also He went and preached ..."How did Christ preach to those spirits in prison? By the Spirit, and that word is capitalized in your Bible. It refers to the Holy Spirit. So what ever type of preaching Christ did during this period of time, He did it through or by the Holy Spirit.When was the preaching done? The answer is in verse 20 "when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing." The preaching was actually done while the ark was being built -- during the preaching of Noah to that world. Who was preached to? "...to the spirits in prison." In the Bible we find this terminology used in describing those who are bound in the prison house of sin. See Psalm 142:7Bring my soul out of prison, that I may praise thy name: the righteous shall compass me about; for thou shalt deal bountifully with me.
     
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    I know this is against all the beliefs you have, that you believe in soul sleep... I really would like to take my time and show you the scriptures.. I have doubt that it will not change any ideas you may have.. but I will and thank you for your tone..I willl work on it tomorrow as I have time and post it when I can..
     
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    I know this is against all the beliefs you have, that you believe in soul sleep... I really would like to take my time and show you the scriptures.. I have doubt that it will not change any ideas you may have.. but I will and thank you for your tone..I willl work on it tomorrow as I have time and post it when I can..
    I was hoping that from the explanation you might gain a different perspective on 1 Peter 3:18-20. That is, the same spirit that quickened (Made alive) Jesus is the same spirt that preached to those in Noah's day.If one doesn't have a companion, or comparable, scripture that solidify's a particular viewpoint from a singular verse, in this case 1 Peter 3:18-20, then that verse stands alone without a solid foundation other than the context in which it is being used. In other words, there is no way to verify it's meaning other than the context in which it's being used.
     
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    He looks like a lamb but speaks just like that dragon that was tossed out of heaven because he is that dragon. He looks like the Lamb although he is nothing but a false prophet.
    Old Satan strikes agian.........
     
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    boy we are digging up some old threads here:)
     
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