The Church decided the canon. How do you know you have the correct canon?

[BreadOfLife]

Apostolic Succession is the world's longest game of Telephone. I knew someone who knew someone... x100

Absolutely - for those of you who have NO faith.

However, when you trust Jesus and believe His promise that His Church would not succumb to darkness - then Apostolic Succession is very easy to understand.

 

[Wick Stick]

Absolutely - for those of you who have NO faith.

However, when you trust Jesus and believe His promise that His Church would not succumb to darkness - then Apostolic Succession is very easy to understand.

No, It really isn't that easy to understand.

At first glance, one might expect an apostolic successor to actually be an apostle. But no.

At second guess, one might expect an apostolic successor to be appointed or approved by an apostle. But again, no.

I think it's meant to indicate that there's an unbroken succession where doctrine is handed off from one to the next. But that isn't really true, either. Bishops are appointed in a mostly-political process, often don't know their predecessor, and sometimes have been literally enemies with them.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, It really isn't that easy to understand.

At first glance, one might expect an apostolic successor to actually be an apostle. But no.

At second guess, one might expect an apostolic successor to be appointed or approved by an apostle. But again, no.

I think it's meant to indicate that there's an unbroken succession where doctrine is handed off from one to the next. But that isn't really true, either. Bishops are appointed in a mostly-political process, often don't know their predecessor, and sometimes have been literally enemies with them.

That's a silly argument . . .

Soooo, every U.S. President is “illegitimate” because he may NOT have seen eye-to-eye with a predecessor? Is that a limitation that YOU have placed on legitimate succession??

Apostolic Succession is just what it says: Apostolic SUCCESSION.
One who SUCCEEDS a successor of a successor, etc., of an Apostle.

Nobody is claiming that they are the actual Apostles from 2000 years ago.

 

[Wick Stick]

That's a silly argument . . .

Soooo, every U.S. President is “illegitimate” because he may NOT have seen eye-to-eye with a predecessor? Is that a limitation that YOU have placed on legitimate succession??

Apostolic Succession is just what it says: Apostolic SUCCESSION.
One who SUCCEEDS a successor of a successor, etc., of an Apostle.

Nobody is claiming that they are the actual Apostles from 2000 years ago.

You're unpleasant. I've muted you. Have the last word, please. I won't see it.

 

[Dash RipRock]

You're unpleasant. I've muted you. Have the last word, please. I won't see it.

Catholics won't know they are in a cult until they arrive in the lake of fire.

Then they'll figure it out. That's what happens to slow people who reject God's Word.

 

[shepherdsword]

My

My ongoing engagement is for the Church, those chosen out from the world, to enjoy the union with the Spirit of Christ. To hear Him, to speak to Him Who was sent to us from Jesus and His Father.

To thanks Him for coming into us. Praise Him for the work He does in us and through us. And worship Him, for He is God and worthy of our thanks, praise and worship.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Exactly!

 

[BreadOfLife]

You're unpleasant. I've muted you. Have the last word, please. I won't see it.

No just honest . . .

 

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As some have explained this, there's God who is 3 in one, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Bible.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

First of all – Jesus never instructed us to pray to the Father “Alone”.
He taught us HOW to pray to Him. Rp “PRAY” simply means to “ASK””

Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:
Full Definition of pray
transitive verb
1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying

intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving

Acts 27:34 - KJV
"Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you".

Secondly, since the Holy Spirit is GOD (John 14:16-18, Acts 5:3-4) – we absolutely can – and should pray to Him.

Maybe you should learn Gods Word better instead of mans opinions.

Pray in Matthew 7 is : proseuchomai, while pray in acts 27 is: parakaleō two different words with two different meanings- you failed.

Please show me one place in Scripture where anyone proseuchomai prayed to the Holy spirit.

And guess what else we are never told?
That the Bible is our SOLE Authority . .

It also doesn't say some pope sitting on his throne is any authority either.

But we do know these words from god's Word:

2 Peter 1:19-21

King James Version

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19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Law=Pentateuch of the bible.


From Psalm 119:

11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!

104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

It is clear- Scripture and not some man made church teachings or crafty reinterpretations of Gods Word are the source for our truth and authority,

Now please show your defense that the bible is not our sole authority for all tings doctrinally and how the church should function.