The Coming Great Apostasy

[bbyrd009]

The difference is being continually explained to you by many here!!
You CAN know that, if you would/could answer Mat. 5:19-20 truthfully to yourself, but you don't/can't.
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Here is that verse, just in case you haven't studied it in the KJV:
Mat. 5
The Law Breakers-
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
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The Law Keepers-
but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
.
The Equalizer-
[20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
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Someone accomplished something through the Law, in that what was missing, is a critical element, that is necessary for Eternal Life.
Who did it, and what did that person do?
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Now, if you will notice the words: "called the least in the", as opposed to those "called great in the".
One part of that verse has the word "the" before it, whereas the other part does not.
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By the use of the word "the", or the lack thereof, Jesus is revealing that those who are "called the least", are a people.
As for those who are "called great", He is revealing how certain people view themselves.

Now the BIG Question:
According to the above verses, who IS NOT IN the KoH/KoG, and WHY?

fine, go with that if you like, and ignore the vv that provide a diff perspective, idc.

Yesterday it was my problem with "do," and today it is with "the" I guess

but we still can't talk about those other vv right, all I can get there is
"never mind that what about this"

 

[bbyrd009]

Matthew 5:19 Lexicon: "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I'm not seeing any article confusion in this, nor any missing "the," and both parties are being "called" so no self-testifying being indicated either, but wadr if you brought a witness who is not a sociopath I might be persuaded, so maybe a witness will show up for you ok

 

[Phoneman777]

God's plan, through faith in His Son, is to save as many as He can from eternal death.
Our goal is to LET HIM do so, through faith in His Son.
Since it IS HIS plan to save us, it's going to go according to His way. So, if God so loved world, and gave to us His only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but HAVE Eternal Life, then by golly, I'm going to PLAY IT BY HIS RULES alone, and not adding more to His plan, or setting up any "obstacle course", hoping that I make it.

Once again, we all know what is the process of "Christian Origination" - now can we forget about that for a moment and talk about "Christian Obligation", which God says failure to fulfill is not an option?

 

[bbyrd009]

Because breaking the Sabbath - which is sin - made necessary the death of our beloved Savior on the Cross - a Cross which has not nor will ever grant anyone a license to continue doing that which made necessary His death in the first place.

The ultimate proof that God's Law can never be abrogated or changed is the Cross, for all that would be needed to spare Jesus' life would be to just change the Law so that nothing would be unlawful - which God has never done, but which you Antinomianists have somehow granted yourselves Divine Authority to do, right?

I guess it seems evil maybe but really it becomes a great way to reveal sociopaths, which lets admit our society cranks out now. I was a sociopath for prolly most of my life, which I guess maybe sounds appalling or something, but after all the illustration of what a baby would be capable of if they had adult abilities is well known

 

[bbyrd009]

difference is being continually explained to you by many here!! ("many")
You CAN know that, if you would/could answer Mat. 5:19-20 truthfully to yourself, but you don't/can't.
.
Here is that verse, just in case you haven't studied it in the KJV:
Mat. 5
The Law Breakers-
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
.
The Law Keepers-
but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
.
The Equalizer-
[20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
.
Someone accomplished something through the Law, in that what was missing, is a critical element, that is necessary for Eternal Life.
Who did it, and what did that person do?
.
Now, if you will notice the words: "called the least in the", as opposed to those "called great in the".
One part of that verse has the word "the" before it, whereas the other part does not.
.
By the use of the word "the", or the lack thereof, Jesus is revealing that those who are "called the least", are a people.
As for those who are "called great", He is revealing how certain people view themselves.

Now the BIG Question:
According to the above verses, who IS NOT IN the KoH/KoG, and WHY?

is this flying with anyone else here? Besides mjr I mean? Ty
right now it just strikes me as a continuation of deliberately conflating "under the law" with "keeping the law?"

 

[Phoneman777]

You readily agree that the Law can save no one!
But now that Jesus HAS SAVED you through faith, you RUN to the Law to help keep you saved??

No...and by this you expose the absolute ignorance among Christendom today for what constitutes a saving relationship with Jesus:

It is total surrender to Jesus as both Savior and Lord - trusting only in Him to save us from our sin --- AND --- surrendering the throne of your heart to Him, that He may keep His own law for you in you and give you credit for it, by which that obedience is the outward proof of your inward conversion.

This ain't rocket science, bro, but it is "weird science" to those who want to Satan to have joint custody with Jesus, right?

 

[bbyrd009]

so see how he is revealed, in accusing you of "running" to the law lol, as he steadfastly refuses to stop running away from it, cannot even acknowledge Scripture that ameliorates or even reverses his position, etc. Truth always comes out in the margins I guess huh.

Let the blind lead the blind works imo for exactly that reason; truth does not need to be insisted upon. Falsehood does

 

[bbyrd009]

The difference is being continually explained to you by many here!!
You CAN know that, if you would/could answer Mat. 5:19-20 truthfully to yourself, but you don't/can't.
.
Here is that verse, just in case you haven't studied it in the KJV:
Mat. 5
The Law Breakers-
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
.
The Law Keepers-
but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
.
The Equalizer-
[20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
.
Someone accomplished something through the Law, in that what was missing, is a critical element, that is necessary for Eternal Life.
Who did it, and what did that person do?
.
Now, if you will notice the words: "called the least in the", as opposed to those "called great in the".
One part of that verse has the word "the" before it, whereas the other part does not.
.
By the use of the word "the", or the lack thereof, Jesus is revealing that those who are "called the least", are a people.
As for those who are "called great", He is revealing how certain people view themselves.

Now the BIG Question:
According to the above verses, who IS NOT IN the KoH/KoG, and WHY?

do you have any links that might express this, in the absence of a valid witness here? Ty

and I mean no offense with this ok, but your case might be helped if you stopped treating those other vv like a vampire does holy water lol

 

[Phoneman777]

I gotta disagree here, and I note that our laws now do also. Not that the spirit of some laws is not crap anyway, nor that we might easily find ourselves on the other side of a bad law with a bad spirit to begin with, the legalizing of murdering Christians, say.

but you could justify speeding your pregnant wife to the hospital at 2 am, or etc, even despite the fact that she prolly won't give birth till morning, right. Iow the emotional state of the father is taken into account, and we give him an escort, not a ticket?

This is a good example of the imperfection of man compared to the perfection of God. Can you think of a situation where it is possible to break the letter of the Ten Commandments while keeping the spirit of them?

 

[Willie T]

This is a good example of the imperfection of man compared to the perfection of God. Can you think of a situation where it is possible to break the letter of the Ten Commandments while keeping the spirit of them?

The disciples did when they went through the wheat fields, taking grain with no thought of paying for it. Also, anyone who labors to save a life on the "day of rest". And I am sure most of us can think of plenty more.

 

[Phoneman777]

I guess it seems evil maybe but really it becomes a great way to reveal sociopaths, which lets admit our society cranks out now. I was a sociopath for prolly most of my life, which I guess maybe sounds appalling or something, but after all the illustration of what a baby would be capable of if they had adult abilities is well known

You mean "Ice Man Richard Kuklinsky" sociopath? scary bro

 

[bbyrd009]

This is a good example of the imperfection of man compared to the perfection of God. Can you think of a situation where it is possible to break the letter of the Ten Commandments while keeping the spirit of them?

well I had our civil "laws" based upon them in mind, but Sabbath might be a good example there? Even though I keep Saturday too, imo we cannot ignore One esteems one day, while another esteems all days alike (paraphrased)

 

[bbyrd009]

You mean "Ice Man Richard Kuklinsky" sociopath? scary bro

well, that would be an extreme example, a psychopath, but I guess many ppl are casually sociopathic without realizing it, or even meaning to be. The treatment of the opposing team in a high school football contest is maybe a good example...contests, period, are too I guess. Islamophobics are obvious sociopaths, might be a bit harder to see the connection but so obviously are Christian Soldiers or even Spiritual Warriors, etc. Any of the pop inferences that the battle is not already won iow; "fight the devil and he will flee" type language, obv very prevalent, millions of hits on Google for that

 

[Earburner]

Matthew 5:19 Lexicon: "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I'm not seeing any article confusion in this, nor any missing "the," and both parties are being "called" so no self-testifying being indicated either, but wadr if you brought a witness who is not a sociopath I might be persuaded, so maybe a witness will show up for you ok

Your mistake is, you didn't stay with the KJV, but instead went to the "religious" lexicon.
By reading the many and varied bible versions, of course you are confused.

 

[bbyrd009]

Your mistake is, you didn't stay with the KJV, but instead went to the "religious" lexicon.
By reading the many and varied bible versions, of course you are confused.

aw, you're so helpful, ty.
I don't read Bible versions in English, period though, sorry.
So strike four ok.

Now do you want to address the subject, maybe provide us a valid link for your assertion up there or not, bc wadr I doubt you are going to get any valid witnesses to it. Which is I guess why you steered the subject back to me right?

and in its absence--which is what is surely what is going to manifest here too I guess--I'll leave you the last word ok
(as if, I'm sure)

 

[Earburner]

No...and by this you expose the absolute ignorance among Christendom today for what constitutes a saving relationship with Jesus:

It is total surrender to Jesus as both Savior and Lord - trusting only in Him to save us from our sin --- AND --- surrendering the throne of your heart to Him, that He may keep His own law for you in you and give you credit for it, by which that obedience is the outward proof of your inward conversion.

This ain't rocket science, bro, but it is "weird science" to those who want to Satan to have joint custody with Jesus, right?

He came to SAVE US FROM eternal death.
He solved that problem with sin, as prophesied in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9:24- "to make an end of sins,...".
Was Jesus successful? YES!! But YOU don't know how or why.
Sin IS the CAUSE of our death.

 

[Earburner]

In the face of God the Father, sin was eradicated in the born again believer, through faith in the sacrificial Blood of Christ.

 

[Davy]

I think you're missing the main point: Irenaeus may have believed the temple in which the Antichrist would sit was a literal temple, but the fact is that he believed that just after the fall of Pagan Rome into the ten horn divisions, the "Little horn" Antichrist would arise among those ten. Therefore, he believed that the Little Horn could not rise because the Roman Empire was preventing that while it ruled over the land.

He certainly didn't believe a period of almost 2,000 years would go by after the fall of Rome without the rise of Antichrist.

He, like all the ECFs, believed that the Antichrist would arise on the heels of the fall of the Roman Empire, which is the Protestant Historicist view, not the error of Jesuit Futurism's view.

Irrelevant. The temple in Jerusalem Paul prophesied of has nothing to do with the Roman empire. Paul was prophesying of a future event in Jerusalem at the end of this world when Jesus returns.

 

[Davy]

"It is the bounden duty of the Christian to pray against Antichrist. And as to what Antichrist is, no sane man ought to raise the question: if it be not the popery in Rome, there is no other institution that may be called by that name..." - Charles Spurgeon.

I'm in good company...like with several million other Protestant Christians since the Reformation who loved, lived, and shed their blood for the truth's sake, while you're in company with the Christianity of today, where many pastors and laity admit to being hooked on porn, having barely enough time to pray, study, or care for their flocks, and what constitutes a "successful church" is how many worldlings we can cram into a "rock concert style worship service" where they can feel as comfortable with their sin in church as they do outside church. Sure, they got some things wrong, but two things they got right - Eph. 2:8 and the papal Antichrist - have defined what Protestantism is all about for centuries.

Your in company with seminary Preterists and Historicists who live in the past.

The Protestant Reformation ended a long time ago. Protestants fought literally, the Catholic Church in Europe, and the Protestants left those Catholic nations or converted. The pope wasn't the Antichrist then, and nor is he the Antichrist now. Rome isn't even where the battle at the end of this world takes place!

No, men like you get suckered by Satan's servants in high places that like to try and get Christ's servants for the end of this world off the subject of Bible prophecy involving Jerusalem, and instead pointing to Rome, or New York, or Brussels, or Washington, D.C., etc. Many Jews hate the Roman Church and the pope, so there's another group that likes to concentrate on hating the pope. They even smear the pope during the time of Hitler, falsely trying to link the pope then to the Holocaust!

It's about Jerusalem for the end of this world, not Rome.

 

[mjrhealth]

Because breaking the Sabbath - which is sin - made necessary the death of our beloved Savior on the Cross - a Cross which has not nor will ever grant anyone a license to continue doing that which made necessary His death in the first place.

Keeping the Sabbath under false pretenses is an even greater one.

Exo_31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

not our covenant, this is coveting the neighbors good is it not...