Lady Crosstalk
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Who said that those "born again" Jews were FROM the land of Israel?
The words "twelve thousand, from each "tribe of Israel" , is symbolic of a remnant that shall believe and come to the Lord Jesus, in this Age of God's Grace.
And for those that do, they have become "new creatures [creation]", through Blood of Christ, and the Gift of God's Holy Spirit. Through that "new birth", there is no difference between Jew and Gentile.
It is quite unlikely that the Jewish apostle John would have named the specific tribes of Israel as meaning anything other than Israel. Now, having said that, you are correct in asserting that they would not have to come from the land of Israel BUT they would definitely be descendants of Jacob/Israel because the Tribulation is the "time of Jacob's trouble". Yes, all who come to Christ through His Blood are new creations but to say that there is no difference between Jew and Gentile is to say that there is no difference between men and women because they are also one in Christ Jesus. There is no difference between believing Israel and the Church in terms of salvation, just as there is no difference between men and women in salvation--they have equal standing. But to say that there is no difference here in mortal life is part of replacement theology which does not conform to the Bible. I agree that in the Eternal State, the people of God will not be divided as Israel and the Church--they will be one. But, until that time, distinctions exist and are important for understanding the Millennial Kingdom which comes between the Church Age and the Eternal State.
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