The Coming Great Apostasy

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Not even close. That reference in Matthew 23:39 about "blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord" is a reference to Psalm 118 which is a Messianic Psalm. Those passages have nothing to do with the church they are totally Hebrew related. Hosea 5:14 - 6:2, Matthew 23:37-39, and Psalm 118 all tie together and pertain to the Hebrews during the latter days. Those passages have nothing to do with those that are "born again". They relate to the collective nation of Israel. National entities are not born again, individual people are.
You are NOT listening to what the Lord said, as opposed to what man thinks!
Mat. 23[39] For I say unto you, Ye [Jews] shall not see me henceforth, till ye [Jews] shall SAY,
Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
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Ever since Jesus Ascended, and gave the Gift of the Holy Spirit to men, there are no people except for Born Again Christians, who come in the name of the Lord.
 

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Sorry brother, my previous post #857 shot big holes in your argument.

God gave His Hosea Message to Ephraim of the ten tribes, as it was their northern kingdom of Israel He was getting ready to destroy, not Judah's in the south. You applied it to the orthodox unbelieving Jews what only applied to scattered ten tribes when The Gospel was preached to them, and they became the Western Christian nations of history. They repented and came to Jesus a long, long, long time ago. Did that include 'some' Jews that were scattered in the same areas of the ten tribes after Judah's Babylon captivity? Yes, no doubt, some scattered Jews converted to Christ Jesus also, which James addressed all 12 tribes scattered abroad. So they would be included. But NOT... today's orthodox Jews, especially not those in the state of Israel today who are being prepared to bow to the coming false-Messiah that is prophesied to appear there first, prior to our Lord Jesus' coming.

Don’t feel sorry! I’m not!
 

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The Jewish historian Josephus lived in 100 A.D. He said the ten tribes were still... scattered beyond Euphrates in his day, and were a great number of people, too many to be counted.

Some Jewish scholars do not try to scrap the ten lost tribes, and they do recognize their return in final, as written in Scripture like Ezek.37. So not all Jewish scholars scrap the ten lost tribes, or teach the falsehood that all the ten tribes blended back in among the Jews.

So much for any substantive argument you might think you have.
Sorry, ever since the sacrificial death of Christ and 70AD, God no longer recognizes or differentiates between Jew or Gentile. In His mind, the physical nation of Israel no longer exists!!
 

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The Jewish historian Josephus lived in 100 A.D. He said the ten tribes were still... scattered beyond Euphrates in his day, and were a great number of people, too many to be counted.

Some Jewish scholars do not try to scrap the ten lost tribes, and they do recognize their return in final, as written in Scripture like Ezek.37. So not all Jewish scholars scrap the ten lost tribes, or teach the falsehood that all the ten tribes blended back in among the Jews.

So much for any substantive argument you might think you have.

The only problem with what Josephus said is that it is counter to scripture. So who do you trust?

2 Chronicles 11:16-17
And after the Levites left, those from all the tribes of Israel, such as set their heart to seek the Lord God of Israel, came to Jerusalem to sacrifice to the Lord God of their fathers. So they strengthened the kingdom of Judah, and made Rehoboam the son of Solomon strong for three years, because they walked in the way of David and Solomon for three years.

2 Chronicles 15:9
Then he gathered all Judah and Benjamin, and those who dwelt with them from Ephraim, Manasseh, and Simeon, for they came over to him in great numbers from Israel when they saw that the Lord his God was with him.

And AFTER the Assyrian captivity....

2 Chronicles 30:5-6
So they resolved to make a proclamation throughout all Israel, from Beersheba to Dan, that they should come to keep the Passover to the Lord God of Israel at Jerusalem, since they had not done it for a long time in the prescribed manner. Then the runners went throughout all Israel and Judah with the letters from the king and his leaders, and spoke according to the command of the king: “Children of Israel, return to the Lord God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel; then He will return to the remnant of you who have escaped from the hand of the kings of Assyria.

Archaeologists have studied the annals of King Sargon of Assyria and he only deported 27,290 people and 50 chariots.

And as I stated before, all 12 tribes were recognized as one. Ezra calls his returning remnant Jews 9 times and Israel 40 times. Nehemiah calls his remnant Jews 11 times and Israel 22 times.

By the time of the Maccabees, Jew and Israel had become synonymous terms.

And either Peter knew he was addressing both Judah and Israel or he was smoking something strange....

Acts 2:14
But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words.

Acts 2:22
“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know—

Acts 2:36
“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

Josephus does lend some insight on things but is hardly equivalent with scripture, except for those with an agenda.
 
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Sorry, ever since the sacrificial death of Christ and 70AD, God no longer recognizes or differentiates between Jew or Gentile. In His mind, the physical nation of Israel no longer exists!!

Well, that seems strange. It is generally accepted that Revelation was written roughly 90AD. And there will be 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Jacob (Israel) set apart and sealed in the end time.
 

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“The Jewish people are not a people like other nations, founded on the common denominators of residential area, family relations, origin or color. The followers of Abraham were instead a conglomeration of different people whose one common denominator was a shared ideological basis. This special group would later be called “Israel,” which is derived from the phrase “Yashar-El” Hebrew- straight to God, i.e. a desire directed straight to the power that manages reality.

Since then and throughout history, anyone who joined Jewish Israel on the basis of the same unifying principle was warmly welcomed. French, Italian, African, Japanese—anyone in the world—was and could be a Jew. Kabbalah explains that the Jewish people is not a nation like the other nations of the world, who all consist of a racial mixture. Jewishness is a unifying ideology, a person’s attitude toward others.

Although Jews have lived and married among themselves as a relatively small group over the generations and have acquired a similar attributes and distinctions, when the Ten Lost Tribes are revealed, it will not be the genes that will bind us, but the ideology. The external form of the Lost Tribes will surely appear different from who we see today as Jews, but between all of them will be a spirit of mutual solidarity combined with the love of Zion”. Quote: Author: Dr Michael Laitman. A Jewish professor.

The Jewish Rabbi’s and leaders are perfectly aware that the Ten Northern tribes remain separate from them and are still scattered among the nations. It is deceived Christians who attribute God’s favour to the Jews, as a tenet of the ‘rapture’ theory.

We await the great Spiritual regeneration and rejoining of Messianic Judahites and Christian Israelites, as prophesied in Ezekiel 37 and Jeremiah 50:4-5, Colossians 3:11
Bible teaching is unequivocal; ethnicity is of no consequence and never was. Aliens were always allowed to join with Israel.

The ‘ideology’ that all the faithful Israelites of God will espouse, must be Christianity.

This truth is clear from how it is people from every tribe, race, nation and language, who will gather into all of Zion; the holy Land soon after the Sixth Seal event. Revelation 7:9-14, Isaiah 62:1-7, Ezekiel 34:11-16

The Lord’s faithful, born again Christians, being the people God always wanted in His holy Land, His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14-16

This scenario is proved by Jeremiah 12:13-16, where all the holy Land population is uprooted and only the faithful believers can live there. Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:24-26, Psalms 37:29
 
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The only problem with what Josephus said is that it is counter to scripture. So who do you trust?

I trust God's Word, but certainly not... your... interpretation of it.

Josephus was correct, even as Apostle James addressed the 12 tribes of Israel still scattered abroad in his day (James 1:1).

2 Chronicles 11:16-17
And after the Levites left, those from all the tribes of Israel, such as set their heart to seek the Lord God of Israel, came to Jerusalem to sacrifice to the Lord God of their fathers. So they strengthened the kingdom of Judah, and made Rehoboam the son of Solomon strong for three years, because they walked in the way of David and Solomon for three years.

This 2 Chron. 11 Scripture is actually about a 'small' remnant of the ten northern tribes that refused to bow to king Jeroboam's golden calf idols, so they went south and joined with Judah. But the MAJORITY of the ten northern tribes remained in the north, as the northern "kingdom of Israel" continued... many... years later... until God brought the kings of Assyria upon the northern ten tribes and removed them to Assyria (2 Kings 17 & 18).

Plus, there is plenty of OT Scripture to prove that the ten tribe "house of Israel" is to be gathered out of the countries where God scattered them on the last day of this world, and be joined back in the lands God promised their fathers. Problem is, even the majority of today's Jews don't even know where all God scattered the ten tribes of Israel to. They are still lost and don't know their heritage as part of old Israel. I think you well know this, but are just hiding behind one of their pet doctrines that is NOT written in God's Word.

In Jesus' parable of the householder that planted a vineyard, He said this to the blind rulers of Judah at Jerusalem who rejected Him:

Matt 21:42-43
42 Jesus saith unto them, "Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."
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The symbolic "vineyard" of that parable is the "house of Israel" ten tribes which Hosea said would become a great number of people even after God scattered them!

Isa 5:7
7 For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah His pleasant plant: and He looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.

KJV

God through Isaiah there describes the "house of Israel" separately from the "men of Judah" because they were seperated by God Himself after Solomon's reign (1 Kings 11).

These verses go directly against what you've said so far:

Amos 9:9-15
9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

10 All the sinners of My people shall die by the sword, which say, "The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us."
11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by My name, saith the LORD That doeth this.
13 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
14 And I will bring again the captivity of My people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.
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The ORTHODOX UNBELIEVING JEWS want to say that Amos 9 Scripture is already happening today with many Jews returning to the nation state of Israel in the holy lands, but that is a huge LIE. Those Amos 9 events involving the return of the ten tribes of Israel will not happen UNTIL JESUS RETURNS on the last day of this present world!

It's your choice if you want to fall for their trap with their false Messiah that is getting ready to appear in today's Jerusalem PRIOR to Christ Jesus' return. That is why they want you to think that back sometime in OT history the scattered ten tribes of the "house of Israel" joined back into with the Jews. Yet that has never happened, not even to today. It will only occur at the end of this world like those Amos 9 verses reveal.

And just in case this still hasn't soaked into your brain, that Amos 9:11 verse is about the FUTURE literal re-establishing of David's throne in Jerusalem!!! That will ONLY occur truly when Jesus returns, since only He is to inherit and sit upon His father David's throne promised to Him! That also is what the Ezek.37 Scripture contains.
 

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2 Chronicles 15:9
Then he gathered all Judah and Benjamin, and those who dwelt with them from Ephraim, Manasseh, and Simeon, for they came over to him in great numbers from Israel when they saw that the Lord his God was with him.

That above was about the time of Asa, king of Judah at Jerusalem. That was before God had brought the kings of Assyria to take the ten northern tribes captive to Assyria.

2 Chron 17:1-2
17:1 And Jehoshaphat his son reigned in his stead, and strengthened himself against Israel.
2 And he placed forces in all the fenced cities of Judah, and set garrisons in the land of Judah, and in the cities of Ephraim, which Asa his father had taken.

KJV

Jehoshaphat reigned over the kingdom of Judah after his father Asa, 3rd king of the kingdom of Judah, had died.

2 Chron 30:1
30:1 And Hezekiah sent to all Israel and Judah, and wrote letters also to Ephraim and Manasseh, that they should come to the house of the LORD at Jerusalem, to keep the passover unto the LORD God of Israel.
KJV


Per 2 Kings, the captivity of the ten northern tribes of Israel by the kings of Assyria was in stages. It didn't happen all at once. Some small remnants of the ten tribes escaped, and came back to the lands...

2 Chron 30:6
6 So the posts went with the letters from the king and his princes throughout all Israel and Judah, and according to the commandment of the king, saying, Ye children of Israel, turn again unto the LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, and he will return to the remnant of you, that are escaped out of the hand of the kings of Assyria.

KJV

That certainly was not the majority of the scattered ten tribes.

Archaeologists have studied the annals of King Sargon of Assyria and he only deported 27,290 people and 50 chariots.

The source for that?

And as I stated before, all 12 tribes were recognized as one. Ezra calls his returning remnant Jews 9 times and Israel 40 times. Nehemiah calls his remnant Jews 11 times and Israel 22 times.

Ezra 2 reveals just who all returned from Judah's 70 year Babylon captivity back to Jerusalem. NONE of the northern tribes are even mentioned there having returned. ONLY a remnant of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin are mentioned, along with foreigners Judah had allowed to creep in from Joshua's days, as some of them had become priests! Ezra even noted a problem when looking among those returning! He didn't see any Levites returning! So he sent Iddo, a Nethinim (temple servant Canaanite) to go back to Babylon and get some Levite priests! (Ezra 8).

Furthermore, the 70 years captivity to Babylon was about those of the "kingdom of Judah" taken captive by king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. That was about 120 years later... after the kings of Assyria had already removed the majority of the northern ten tribes to Assyria and lands of the Medes.

Israel's captivity (ten northern tribes) = around 610 B.C. (completed)
Judah's captivity to Babylon for 70 years = tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and some small remnants of the ten tribes that joined with them earlier, around 477 B.C. with destruction of Jerusalem by king of Babylon.

By the time of the Maccabees, Jew and Israel had become synonymous terms.

Irrelevant statement, since when the ten northern tribe kingdom of Israel was no more (around 610 B.C. in the 9th year of king Hoshea, 2 Kings 18:10), the label Israel could ONLY apply to Israelites that were left. And of course that would be the kingdom of Judah which was still left in the southern part of the holy lands. And even to THIS day, the Jews of the house of Judah claim they only... are Israel. But that's just not so! for God is going to gather the ten lost tribes of Israel in final, as Amos 9 reveals He knows who they are today, and where they are today. And the majority of them today don't have a clue they have a heritage from old Israel. The Jews certainly don't know who the scattered ten tribes are either, so it's funny when Jews falsely claim they know better than God just where He scattered them to and who they became!

And either Peter knew he was addressing both Judah and Israel or he was smoking something strange....

Acts 2:14
But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words.

Well, that above sure is just fodder not proving your point. He was addressing Jews there. Are Jews not of Israel also? Yes, they are! Jews are Israelites too! Amazing! Apostle Paul said he was born of the tribe of Benjamin, and that he was a Jew. Josephus said the title of 'Jew' originated from the sole tribe of Judah. So how is it Paul said he also was a Jew? Simple, the tribe of Benjamin, tribe of Judah, tribe of Levi, and remnants of the northern ten tribes that trekked south to join with them, all... took the title of 'Jew' from Judah! The strangers that dwelt among Judah from other nations and lands took that title of Jew also!

Acts 2:22
“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know—

Acts 2:36
“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

Josephus does lend some insight on things but is hardly equivalent with scripture, except for those with an agenda.

Your Acts 2 quotes offer no proof to back up your false supposition that all the ten northern tribes of Israel have now mysteriously... been found! and that dwelling among Judah, and now calling themselves Jews! Baloney. That's just a doctrine of the "synagogue of Satan" you've obviously been fed by orthodox unbelieving Jews who hate Jesus of Nazareth.

The false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" abhors and hates the Jewish historian Josephus. And though he has some inaccuracies, it's not enough to discard his histories, which of course is why he is so often quoted in the pulpits of Protestant Churches in Christ Jesus!
 
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2 Thess 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
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After hearing Drs. Andy Woods and Tommy Ice preach on 2 Thessalonians 3 & 4, I tend to agree with them that "THE falling away first" was the KJV "mis-translation" of the Greek apostasia which could mean the physical departure (i.e. the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of real Christians) of the Church rather than a spiritual departure from the truth. In the Greek, the key word preceding apostasia is "THE" which refers to a SPECIFIC event. Since the Church was first formed on the day of Pentecost 10 days after Jesus was caught up to Heaven to be with His Father, spiritual declension was setting in the assemblies of believers.

Now, when Post-Tribbers ask me where in the Bible does it teach a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, I point them to 2 Thessalonians 3 & 4 and say the Apostle Paul first taught this vital doctrine and not John Nelson Darby. Notice the chronology:

1. That day (i.e. 7-year Tribulation Period) shall not come until:
2. The falling away "apostasia" (the Pre-Tribulation Rapture) first happened:
3. Then that man of sin (i.e. THE Antichrist) be revealed.

Post-Tribbers cannot differentiate between the "appearing" of Christ in the air and Jesus's physical return to Earth seven years after the Tribulation Period. Jesus's appearing in the air above Earth to snatch us up to the Father's house of many mansions = our blessed hope.
 

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It is not beyond reason to take 2 Thessalonians 2:3 as having a double application in view. A departure from the faith and also a departure from the earth. With both of them happening before "that day" (day of the Lord in V2) and the man of sin is revealed.

But there has been numerous "falling away" events in history. There have never been a period from Yeshua onward that has not had its "falling away" problems. So the "falling away" or departure from the faith doesn't seem like a trigger to start anything. But a departure of the righteous from the earth, now that would be a trigger!
 
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A quote: "Israel..... the Believer's insurance policy."

I don't quite understand your quote. Modern day Israel is evil, arrogant, self-reliant, promotes the gay lifestyle, the majority of Israelis hate Jesus just as much as American Jews so there's no reason to place Israel high on a pedestal nor should we ask God to bless Israel (or even the USA, the world's No. 1 distributor of porn) or the peace of Jerusalem. Bible prophecy clearly predicts a coming judgment on the Jews in Israel in which 2/3 will be slaughtered by the Antichrist. As Christians, we ought not ask God to bless evil nations.
 

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Not even close. That reference in Matthew 23:39 about "blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord" is a reference to Psalm 118 which is a Messianic Psalm. Those passages have nothing to do with the church they are totally Hebrew related. Hosea 5:14 - 6:2, Matthew 23:37-39, and Psalm 118 all tie together and pertain to the Hebrews during the latter days. Those passages have nothing to do with those that are "born again". They relate to the collective nation of Israel. National entities are not born again, individual people are.

Yes, the nation of Israel (or rather, the remnant thereof) will finally embrace their Messiah (see Zechariah 12:10). It will be a great blessing but it will not be without some mourning. I am reminded of a story told by a Messianic Jew who ministered to the Jews. He said that there was an old rabbi who finally saw Jesus as the Messiah that he had been told all his life to expect. He fell to his knees and wept. Later, the old rabbi said that he had cried tears of joy to finally see his Messiah before his death, but he also mourned for all the time that he did not know Him.
 

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A quote: "Israel..... the Believer's insurance policy."

I don't quite understand your quote. Modern day Israel is evil, arrogant, self-reliant, promotes the gay lifestyle, the majority of Israelis hate Jesus just as much as American Jews so there's no reason to place Israel high on a pedestal nor should we ask God to bless Israel (or even the USA, the world's No. 1 distributor of porn) or the peace of Jerusalem. Bible prophecy clearly predicts a coming judgment on the Jews in Israel in which 2/3 will be slaughtered by the Antichrist. As Christians, we ought not ask God to bless evil nations.


Then why do we say, "God bless, Canada" or "God bless, America"? Yes, there are evil people who seek power and control of the masses, and, unfortunately, they often end up in government. But, would you like to be called evil, because of the actions of the corrupt leaders in each country?
 

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A quote: "Israel..... the Believer's insurance policy."

I don't quite understand your quote. Modern day Israel is evil, arrogant, self-reliant, promotes the gay lifestyle, the majority of Israelis hate Jesus just as much as American Jews so there's no reason to place Israel high on a pedestal nor should we ask God to bless Israel (or even the USA, the world's No. 1 distributor of porn) or the peace of Jerusalem. Bible prophecy clearly predicts a coming judgment on the Jews in Israel in which 2/3 will be slaughtered by the Antichrist. As Christians, we ought not ask God to bless evil nations.

IF the Lord will not honor His promises to Israel, the what is the basis for the Believer to hold on to that the Lord will honor His promises to those who trust in Him? That is why Israel is the believers insurance policy. if He will honor His promises to Israel then He can be trusted to honor His promises to the believer.

Now do you understand?
 
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Well, that seems strange. It is generally accepted that Revelation was written roughly 90AD. And there will be 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Jacob (Israel) set apart and sealed in the end time.
There is no point debating with Replacement Theology adherents. Those among them who are not saved will be left behind after the Pre-Trib Rapture and if they still hold to the heretical Replacement Theology viewpoint, they risk being tossed into the lake of fire for NOT assisting any Jews needing their help! During the Tribulation Period, a soul's salvation will be through faith in Jesus Christ PLUS works (e.g. not receiving the Mark of the Beast and helping all Jews in need).
 
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IF the Lord will not honor His promises to Israel, the what is the basis for the Believer to hold on to that the Lord will honor His promises to those who trust in Him? That is why Israel is the believers insurance policy. if He will honor His promises to Israel then He can be trusted to honor His promises to the believer.

Now do you understand?
IF the Lord will not honor His promises to Israel, the what is the basis for the Believer to hold on to that the Lord will honor His promises to those who trust in Him? That is why Israel is the believers insurance policy. if He will honor His promises to Israel then He can be trusted to honor His promises to the believer.

Now do you understand?
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I don't need God to keep His promises to Israel's (Jacob's) descendants to be assured God will keep me in Jesus forever.
 

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I suppose there are some who would take the word of Josephus over the the writers of 2 Chronicles, Ezra, and Nehemiah. Ok, I guess. But I will stick with the scripture. And Josephus has to be full of wild blueberry muffins because people of 4 of the tribes are specifically mentioned in the NT also.... Judah, Levi, Benjamin, and Asher. So that alone blows holes in the myth that the 10 tribes are lost.
 

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There is no point debating with Replacement Theology adherents. Those among them who are not saved will be left behind after the Pre-Trib Rapture and if they still hold to the heretical Replacement Theology viewpoint, they risk being tossed into the lake of fire for NOT assisting any Jews needing their help! During the Tribulation Period, a soul's salvation will be through faith in Jesus Christ PLUS works (e.g. not receiving the Mark of the Beast and helping all Jews in need).
Replacement theology says the church replaces.

After the rapture there is no physical church on the earth ever again.
 

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Actually it can be more bizarre. There is replacement theology then there is restoration / dual covenant theology with really goes off the reservation when it comes to the tribes thing. But it is becoming a more popular.
 
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Actually it can be more bizarre. There is replacement theology then there is restoration / dual covenant theology with really goes off the reservation when it comes to the tribes thing. But it is becoming a more popular.
John Hagee's Dual Covenant Theology shows Hagee's real feeling toward Jews; Hagee hates them! Hagee is a heretic who preaches a damnable gospel asserting that Jews don't need to believe in Jesus to be saved, but they're already saved through the Old Testament covenant.

That is music to the ears of Israel's religious and secular leaders who forbid true Gospel preaching in Israel. Every time, Hagee holds a fund raising event for Christians United For Israel (CUFI) and if Netanyahu and other Zionist Israelis are present, when Bibi shakes Hagee's hands, Bibi is thinking "Hagee and Christians are useful idiots" while Hagee chuckles in his mind (Bibi and other Jews will be exterminated by the soon coming Antichrist). After all, John Hagee has said it's a waste of time to preach Jesus to the Jews.