The Death of the Body

[marks]

So as to not derail the Cremation thread . . .

@charity

John 11
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

It seems that you read this as a prophecy of the end of the age, and I see it as a teaching on death and resurrection.

Jesus said to her, your brother shall rise again, and Martha understood that this was in fact prophetic, that "he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day."

Then Jesus says to her, I am the resurrection and the life. I think He's saying, that's all up to Him when someone will rise. "You know he'll rise on the last day . . . but I AM the resurrection and the life. I give life", I think is what He was saying.

Who is he who believes in Jesus who is dead? Is this the dead in sin? To them, they live.

Who is he who lives and believes in Jesus? Is this the regenerate? The alive in Christ? The one who lives in Christ, believing in Him? They shall never die!

As a general teaching of death and resurrection and life, this is what I think it means.

So that you will know the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins, take up you bed and walk!

Lazarus, come forth!!

For the Son of Man has power to give life.

Much love!

 

[marks]

When the body ceases to be able to support it's own organic activity, it ceases to function, we die physically.

What happens then? Do we disappear for a while? The person unconstituted, the body goes to the ground, the breath of life returns to God?

What is life? What is our life?

Ephesians 2
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

We've been given life with Christ, and are seated in the heavenlies. Hidden with Christ in God.

Romans 8
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Galatians 2
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

If our life in Christ is Christ living in us, If our new life in the spirit is from God, and not from our bodies, why would it stop when our bodies fail?

Much love!

 

[Enoch111]

It seems that you read this as a prophecy of the end of the age, and I see it as a teaching on death and resurrection.

That is rather obvious is it not? How is it that today Christians are going off on all kinds of bizarre tangents instead of taking the plain literal meaning of Scripture for what it says?

What did Jesus mean? Simply this. The resurrection of the believer is GUARANTEED. At the same time the gift of eternal life to the believer is also GUARANTEED.

 

[bbyrd009]

Jesus said to her, your brother shall rise again, and Martha understood that this was in fact prophetic, that "he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day."

hmm, and then He goes and literally resurrects him?

migt be useful to get a handle on whom Lazarus reps,
The amazing name Annas: meaning and etymology
"The name Annas in the Bible"

 

[marks]

That is rather obvious is it not? How is it that today Christians are going off on all kinds of bizarre tangents instead of taking the plain literal meaning of Scripture for what it says?

What did Jesus mean? Simply this. The resurrection of the believer is GUARANTEED. At the same time the gift of eternal life to the believer is also GUARANTEED.

@Netchaplain made a good point on his thread, that we make inferences on passages.

This is one instance, I think, where @charity has made one inference, and I've made a different inference. And being able to identify this particular detail, we can more reasonably look to see whether one or the other, or maybe neither, even harmonize with other Scripture.

Much love!

 

[Enoch111]

...to see whether one or the other, or maybe neither, even harmonize with other Scripture.

When Scriptures are properly harmonized, they do not produce BIZARRE conclusions. But that is exactly what is happening today.

 

[marks]

When Scriptures are properly harmonized, they do not produce BIZARRE conclusions. But that is exactly what is happening today.

Eternal life is both now and forever!

Much love!

 

[marks]

hmm, and then He goes and literally resurrects him?

Just so. Just like in the forgiving the sins of the paralytic, then healing him.

A material demonstration of power to help us believe Him when he says the part we can't see yet.

Much love!

 

[bbyrd009]

Just so. Just like in the forgiving the sins of the paralytic, then healing him.

A material demonstration of power to help us believe Him when he says the part we can't see yet.

Much love!

um ok

 

[marks]

hmm, and then He goes and literally resurrects him?

Is that what you think happened? Did a dead man come back to life, and out of his tomb? Not metaphorical, but like, you could touch the man?

 

[bbyrd009]

Is that what you think happened? Did a dead man come back to life, and out of his tomb? Not metaphorical, but like, you could touch the man?

um, Lazarus? Personally i srsly doubt it; i put that right up there with the "walls" of Jericho "tumbling down" myself. "Lazarus" is a code-word imo

 

[marks]

um, Lazarus? Personally i srsly doubt it; i put that right up there with the "walls" of Jericho "tumbling down" myself. "Lazarus" is a code-word imo

And Jesus, did He rise from the dead? A man executed according to the custom of the day, placed dead in a tomb, then came back out alive?

 

[bbyrd009]

And Jesus, did He rise from the dead? A man executed according to the custom of the day, placed dead in a tomb, then came back out alive?

yeh ill just play cya and say idk there ok, but No son of man may die for another's sins right, and i dont think anything has changed since then, Jesus notwithstanding. Its all in the Esau Story, red stew, etc

now, is Christ Immortal? Did Jesus rise from the dead? Well, we are discussing Him 2000 years later, right

so, you will see Him come down the same way you saw Him go up right? Iow not with your eyes?

 

[marks]

yeh ill just play cya and say idk there ok, but No son of man may die for another's sins right, and i dont think anything has changed since then, Jesus notwithstanding. Its all in the Esau Story, red stew, etc

now, is Christ Immortal? Did Jesus rise from the dead? Well, we are discussing Him 2000 years later, right

so, you will see Him come down the same way you saw Him go up right? Iow not with your eyes?

You don't know if He did or not.

Ok.

Bye.

 

[bbyrd009]

You don't know if He did or not.

Ok.

Bye.

bc i dont know if you are seeking a literal resurrection or a spiritual one, marks, no offense meant ok
Chocolate Jesus
bye

Eternal life is both now and forever!

Much love!

see, that is ezackly what eternal life is not, according to the Scriptural definition, yeh?
aion

a space of time, an age

 

[bbyrd009]

you and your sons will be here with me i spose, no matter what anyone says

 

[bbyrd009]

You don't know if He did or not.

Ok.

Bye.

see marks, you can play this skippy/funky cherry-pick-which-posts-to reply-to jazz bc i am letting you, but you can only kid yourself in the end right

 

[bbyrd009]

"everybody's here with me

got no camera to see..."

 

[marks]

1 Corinthians 15
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Much love!

 

[marks]

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.