The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

[Ezra]

Individual cells yes, but that also happens in living beings as well. You are moving the goalposts.

exactly what is the point your trying to make

 

[BreadOfLife]

That ^ IS Gods design and WILL!

God is Supreme Power, YET unlike you, God is Always in Agreement with Himself.

Per your usual, totally out of Context.
Matt 19:26
Is about Salvation, Only provided BY God, NOT men, and Evenly Rich or Poor men CAN receive Salvation VIA God.

Matt 19:
[26] But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this (salvation to any man) is impossible; but (salvation to any man rich or not ) with God all things are possible.

LOL

That's Funny.
My God dictates His own WILL, and does NOT Go Against His OWN WORD...unlike your feeble teaching that you dictate your gods will.

LOL...your god was born a natural human male...

My God is without Beginning or Ending.
I am quite confident you are the one in jeopardy!

Really??
Let's see . . .

Is it possible for person to walk through the sea? The Israelites did.
Is it possible for person to be thrown into a fire an NOT burn? It was for Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego,
Is it possible for person to vanish into thin air? Philip did.
Is it possible for person to walk on water? Peter did.
Is it possible for person to raise the dead? Peter did - so did Paul.
Is it possible for GOD to create a human person without a man's seed? ABSOLUTELY.

With God - ALL THINGS are possible. He doesn't owe YOU or anybody else any explanations.
"ALL THING" is not out of context, Jesus stated that with God - NOTHING is impossible. For you to say that this only applies to salvation describes the pathetic little god you've invented - NOT the Almighty God of the Bible.

You've been proven wrong at every turn on this subject and yet you still refuse to believe that Christ was human as well as God.
Have fun with the following warning from our Lord - because it applies to YOU:

Matt. 10:33
"But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.

With MY God - the Almighty God of Scripture - ALL things are possible (Matt. 19:26) . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

do you feel the need to confer with Bol ? tcc Bol you need his approval ?

Why - does that scare you?

He is merely showing that we are in agreement on this - as is ALL of Christianity.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I think we err when we make statements that God is human... No, God is God. But the Son of God, that is another story. The scripture says, even Jesus Himself said, the God have His only begotten Son... Nowhere can we read anywhere that God reneged, changed His mind, or took Him back to become as He was previous. The gift of Christ to the human race was an eternal gift.

I honestly had NO idea that SDAs rejected the humanity of Christ, who is God.
Or, is it just you?

 

[Taken]

Really??
Let's see . . .

Is it possible for person to walk through the sea? The Israelites did.
Is it possible for person to be thrown into a fire an NOT burn? It was for Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego,
Is it possible for person to vanish into thin air? Philip did.
Is it possible for person to walk on water? Peter did.
Is it possible for person to raise the dead? Peter did - so did Paul.
Is it possible for GOD to create a human person without a man's seed? ABSOLUTELY.

DUH!
None of those things GO AGAINST Gods WORD!

With God - ALL THINGS are possible.

There are many things God CAN NOT DO.

Already explained to you, but obviously beyond your ability to comprehend.


God can NOT go Against His Word, Himself.

He doesn't owe YOU or anybody else any explanations.

I never said He owed me an explanation... However His own Word reveals He Can NOT go Against Himself.

"ALL THING" is not out of context, Jesus stated that with God - NOTHING is impossible.

Obviously you think God CAN DO ALL things, clearly that scripture is speaking TO MEN, that a man WITH God has endless possibilities
According to Gods holiness.

For you to say that this only applies to salvation

Matt 19:26
Does expressly pertain to Salvation, as I said.
Men can NOT save Another man.
It is God who Saves men, and THEN God is WITH the man, and THEN ALL things are possible "for the man WITH God to accomplish, according to Gods WORD."

describes the pathetic little god you've invented - NOT the Almighty God of the Bible.

LOL...so stupid it's laughable.

You've been proven wrong at every turn on this subject

LOL...you making false claims does not, has not proven anything!

and yet you still refuse to believe that Christ was human

Humans are Corrupt. Christ is Holy.

Your catholic teaching has failed you miserably.

Have fun with the following warning from our Lord - because it applies to YOU:

Yet another of your false accusations. More of your catholic teaching that has failed you.

Dude YOU are not Christ.
I have not Denied Christ.
I have Rejected YOUR CORRUPT TEACHING.

Matt. 10:33

"But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.

With MY God - the Almighty God of Scripture - ALL things are possible (Matt. 19:26) . . .

Good grief .... Learn the TRUTH, there are MANY THINGS GOD CAN NOT DO!

And by your own stubbornness to KEEP your catholic doctrine OVER and ABOVE Christ's Doctrine....it is looking quite possible that God Can NOT get catholics to Trust His Word!

LOL

 

[Taken]

I think we err when we make statements that God is human...

And I do not include myself in your "WE" statement.
I do not ever state that God IS a Human.

No, God is God.

God IS everlasting SPIRIT, without beginning or ending.

But the Son of God, that is another story.

Disagree. Same story, different INTENT.

The scripture says, even Jesus Himself said, the God have His only begotten Son...

Scripture says, The Word of God, IS God.
Scripture says, The Word of God, Comes forth out from God.

Whether or Not Gods Word Comes forth OUT from Him, Gods Word is STILL IN Him, IS Him.

Scripture says, God SENT His Word out of His Mouth From Heaven TO Earth....
IN a Fashion, LIKENESS, "OF" a Faithful Jew.

Not a Human, Not a Gentile, Not all Jews, Not all of the Tribes of Israel....but Epressly:
The LIKENESS of a Faithful Jew.

What Does the Likeness of a Faithful Jew mean?

Looks LIKE a Human man?
Believes, Trusts, Obeys God?
IS Set APART from ALL other Humans who do not believe, trust, obey, God?
Adheres to Jewish Laws, Customs, Teachings, Traditions?
Acknowledges OTHER Faithful Jews as His Brethren?

God has sent His Word out of His mouth since the Beginning of Gods Creations of Heaven, Earth, Plants, Animals, Humans...

And WHAT "LIKENESS" Was Gods Word Then?

A faithful Jew? There was no such thing then.
A Voice, without a man seeing anything? Yes.
A vision in Mens dreams? Yes, Sometimes.
An Angel? Yes, Sometimes.
And men who Heard Gods Voice, and dreamed dreams, saw visions, Heard Angels......and Believed.....IN TURN Spoke to other men what they learned.

And? IN the LAST DAYS...God Sent His Word in the LIKENESS of WHAT?

Gods Son. Heb 1:2

To do what?
To SPEAK TO men. Heb 1:2

WAIT...God IS Everlasting...without beginning, without ending....

HOW CAN GOD Reproduce something that IS LIKE HIM....Everlasting, with and without a Beginning? <--- complete opposites, oxymoron.

God DID NOT REPRODUCE A Son.
Gods Word came forth out from God...IN Heaven.

Comprehend...God is coming forth OUT from God....

Comprehend...Gods Living Word coming forth out from God...

Comprehend....God Alive, coming forth out from God Alive.

Something Alive, coming forth OUT from something Alive....is a BIRTH...is BORN.

THAT is HOW, God CAN SAY in TRUTH, He "BEGAT".

God caused HIS Word to be manifested...
IN the LIKENESS "as" a man Kind of thing.

Gods WORD...IS GOD...thus God...TOOK upon Himself, the LIKENESS, of a Faithful Jew.

HOW? Gods Word took upon Himself, the "seed" of Abraham. Not ALL Jews, Not Gentiles, Not ALL men, Not Abram......
But specifically, Abraham, whom God said Abraham's obedience to God, was accounted
To Abraham as Righteousness.

And ALL of Abraham's STOCK (sperm) descendents WHO are/were Faithful, and ALL Gentiles WHO are Faithful WHO ALSO take UPON themselves the seed of Abraham...
Become "LIKE" Jesus...a son of man...a son of Abraham.
They are sons BY Promise of God, that Abraham would be a father of many nations.

So HOW does God Become His OWN Son?

By DECLARATION of God!

God remains the Father IN Heaven.
And WHEN God SENT His WORD down from Heaven TO the EARTH, (Gods footstool)...
God Sent His Word in the LIKENESS of Faithful Jews.

And God said, WHEN His Word IS manifested ON EARTH In the LIKENESS of a man.....
THAT...God would BE "A" Father to Him.
And His Word would be TO God "A" Son.
Heb 1:5

And Jesus Himself confirmed;
He came as the Son of God.
He and HIS Father ARE ONE.

Nowhere can we read anywhere that God reneged, changed His mind, or took Him back to become as He was previous. The gift of Christ to the human race was an eternal gift.

No one is preaching God reneged, changed His mind, or has taken back any gifts.

Jesus IS the Word of God...is God.
Christ IS the Power of God...is God.
Christ IS the Wisdom of God...is God.
Christ IS the Seed of God.........is God.

Jesus was Manifested ON EARTH TO MEN...
So MEN who could not BELIEVE by Hearing ONLY, LIKE in the OT...(and God called them stiffnecked)...
In the LAST days...as God Promised...
Could HEAR "and" SEE God in the flesh...and it was what they asked for, but many could not believe it, when they SAW Jesus...
A nobody, without a kingdom, Kingship, Wealth, army, pomp, blah, blah...THEIR KING? Pfft...they didn't get it and to this day, many Jews still don't YET get it.

And Gentiles go around teaching...
God IS a Spirit and A HUMAN... pfft.

God IS Spirit. God does NOT Change.

It does not matter in what FASHION or LIKENESS God manifests Himself...for men to SEE, what they can not BELIEVE by hearing ONLY......God does not Change.

God IS NOT "A" Human man.
And IF you believe Jesus IS God...Preaching Jesus IS "A" Human, you ARE Preaching God IS "A" Human.

There is a Huge difference BETWEEN...
"IS" a Human....and "APPEARED in the LIKENESS "AS" a Human.

Phil 2:
[7] ...took upon him "the form" of a servant, ...likeness of men:
[8] ... as a man...


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

I honestly had NO idea that SDAs rejected the humanity of Christ, who is God.
Or, is it just you?

LOL...

Humanity ~
the human race; human beings collectively.

If Jesus was LIKE human beings collectively...
He would then have been LIKE every man who rejected God!

Humanity of Christ....taught by men who haven't a Clue...Jesus did not come to earth in the LIKENESS of ALL human beings collectively!

 

[Taken]

Why - does that scare you?

LOL...

Fascinating to watch you with confidance blurt out things that have nothing to do with the point.

LOL

 

[brakelite]

I honestly had NO idea that SDAs rejected the humanity of Christ, who is God.
Or, is it just you?

Christ is fully human and fully God.

 

[Taken]

Christ is fully human and fully God.

You say:
"Christ "IS" fully human and fully God."

And WHEN a human man BECOMES Converted...

"Is" that man Also...(same as Christ)
Fully Human and Fully God?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[brakelite]

You say:
"Christ "IS" fully human and fully God."

And WHEN a human man BECOMES Converted...

"Is" that man Also...(same as Christ)
Fully Human and Fully God?

Glory to God,
Taken

Why would you ask this? Is it not enough that we are recreated in the likeness of His character, that you seek His divinity also?

 

[Taken]

Why would you ask this?

I was expecting an answer, not a question!

Is it not enough that we are recreated

Scripture says "MADE", not recreated.

in the "likeness" of His character,

You limit a man's LIKENESS to His character, scripture doesn't.

that you seek His divinity also?

Why are YOU posing a question AS IF, I had said anything about SEEKING HIS DIVINITY, when I said no such thing?

Stick to the POINT.

YOU said Christ FULLY HUMAN and FULLY GOD.

Scripture says Jesus IS the Word of God.
Scripture says the Word of God IS God.
Scripture says the Word of God came to earth iN the "LIKENESS" as a man.

Point being YOU claim the Word of God "IS" a human man...while Scripture says "LIKENESS" as a man.
(Not likeness as an animal, or some other created thing).

LIKENESS, is a similitude NOT SAMENESS.

God came in the LIKENESS of a human man.
(Some) Men become in the LIKENESS of God.

You claim a DOUBLE Standard...

You ARE a Human man, and claim God IS FULLY, A HUMAN man.

And then claim Human men become LIKE God, but NOT God.

And the fact is:
God was manifested in the LIKENESS of human men, without BEING a Human man.
And
(some) men become in the LIKENESS of God, without BEING God.

So why the Double standard?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Christ is fully human and fully God.

Then, why would you make the following statement?

I think we err when we make statements that God is human... No, God is God. But the Son of God, that is another story.

 

[BreadOfLife]

DUH!
None of those things GO AGAINST Gods WORD!
There are many things God CAN NOT DO.

Already explained to you, but obviously beyond your ability to comprehend.
God can NOT go Against His Word, Himself.

I never said He owed me an explanation... However His own Word reveals He Can NOT go Against Himself.

Obviously you think God CAN DO ALL things, clearly that scripture is speaking TO MEN, that a man WITH God has endless possibilities
According to Gods holiness.

Matt 19:26
Does expressly pertain to Salvation, as I said.
Men can NOT save Another man.
It is God who Saves men, and THEN God is WITH the man, and THEN ALL things are possible "for the man WITH God to accomplish, according to Gods WORD."

You're a living, breathing contradiction.

HOW is God going "against Himself" by becoming a sinless human being - yet STILL retaining His deity??

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL...
Humanity ~
the human race; human beings collectively.
If Jesus was LIKE human beings collectively...
He would then have been LIKE every man who rejected God!

Humanity of Christ....taught by men who haven't a Clue...Jesus did not come to earth in the LIKENESS of ALL human beings collectively!

More ignorance, my Scripturally-bankrupt friend.

He was made like us in EVERY WAY (Heb. 2:17) but sin (Heb. 4:15).
Your understanding of God's Word is breathtakingly stupid . . .

 

[shnarkle]

Why would you ask this? Is it not enough that we are recreated in the likeness of His character, that you seek His divinity also?

Christ shares in our humanity that we may share in his divinity. All children of God are divinely begotten from above.

 

[Taken]

He was made like us in EVERY WAY (Heb. 2:17) but sin (Heb. 4:15).

No. Hebrews 2:17 DOES NOT SAY He WAS made "LIKE US"!

You are a HUMAN made out of DUST.

Jesus took on Himself the Seed of Abraham.
Jesus was then made in the LIKENESS of Abraham's Descendants, "FAITHFUL JEWS".

You preach Jesus IS a Human man.
You preach Jesus CAME to Earth LIKE YOU, a Gentile, and LIKE ALL HUMANS.

No, Jesus did not come to Earth LIKE ALL Humans....obviously you are unaware MANY, MANY, men, particularly Gentiles (like you), did not BELIEVE IN God!

Heb 2:17
[16]... he took on him the seed of Abraham.

[17] ...made like unto his brethren...

Your

understanding of God's Word is breathtakingly stupid . . .

Of course it makes no sense to you what I have said. I have said what Scripture says...
And what makes sense to you is your Changing Scritpure, then arguing against what Scripture DOES SAY.

I am not concerned about WHO between you and me is in jeopardy.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No. Hebrews 2:17 DOES NOT SAY He WAS made "LIKE US"!
You are a HUMAN made out of DUST.

Jesus took on Himself the Seed of Abraham.
Jesus was then made in the LIKENESS of Abraham's Descendants, "FAITHFUL JEWS".

You preach Jesus IS a Human man.
You preach Jesus CAME to Earth LIKE YOU, a Gentile, and LIKE ALL HUMANS.

No, Jesus did not come to Earth LIKE ALL Humans....obviously you are unaware MANY, MANY, men, particularly Gentiles (like you), did not BELIEVE IN God!

Heb 2:17
[16]... he took on him the seed of Abraham.

[17] ...made like unto his brethren...

Of course it makes no sense to you what I have said. I have said what Scripture says...
And what makes sense to you is your Changing Scritpure, then arguing against what Scripture DOES SAY.

I am not concerned about WHO between you and me is in jeopardy.

WRONG.

First of all - Heb 2:17 absolutely says that Jesus was made like us - in EVERY RESPECT:
Heb. 2:17
Therefore he had to be made like his brothers IN EVERY RESPECT, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

1 Tim. 2:5 goes even further - calling Him "HUMAN" (Anthropos).

Secondly - only Adam was made out of dust.
The rest of us are made from our father's seed and mother's egg. The Bible speaks FIGURATIVELY about is being made from dust.
The Bible teaches us is the literal sense - as well as the figurative sense. You haven't figured that out yet??

 

[Taken]

You're a living, breathing contradiction.

You are the one who said God could USURP His own Word...

That is a contradiction. Your accusation is not what I say, but rather what you say.

HOW

is God going "against Himself" by becoming a sinless human being -

Already told you and showed you.

Human and Animal male seeds fertalize it's own KIND of Human and animal female seeds, to cause reproduction of its SAME KIND of thing.

Gods SEED does not fertalize a Humans seed, or an Animals seed.

Humans and Animals are not the SAME KIND of things.

Humans and God are not the SAME KIND of things.

Animals and God are not the SAME KIND of things.

God Does NOT Can NOT reproduce His KIND of thing.

The TRUTH is NOT complicated...less you spend all your efforts trying to rewrite the truth.

 

[brakelite]

Then, why would you make the following statement?

Because the Bible teaches us that God is spirit. John4:24