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    Actualy I rely on Yahshua only. For He is the Saviour of the world. Did He die for the Jews only? No. He died for the Gentiles too. He died for EVERYBODY. (I Peter 3:18) God commanded EVERYONE to repent for their sins. (Including the Kenites) (II Peter 3:9)
    I believe the Rechabites were of the people of the Kenites, and of the house of Rechab, and the Kenites were the descendants of Moses’s father-in-law. What say you Jag? Are you talking symbolically or literally? Does any race, color, or creed have the opportunity to be saved at last? Please explain.JakeI Chronicles 2:55 - And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.Hebrew #7017 - 7017 Qeyniy kay-nee' or Qiyniy (1 Chron. 2:55) {kee-nee'}; patronymic from 7014; a Kenite or member of the tribe of Kajin:--Kenite.Hebrew #7014 - Qayin kah'-yin the same as 7013 (with a play upon the affinity to 7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe:--Cain, Kenite(-s).Hebrew #8423 - 8423 Tuwbal Qayin too-bal' kah'-yin apparently from 2986 (Compare 2981) and 7014; offspring of Cain; Tubal-Kajin, an antidiluvian patriarch:--Tubal-cain.As we see here. Kenites means sons of Cain (the first murderer)Even Cain's (son of Satan) offspring can have a chance to repent...if they choose too.God commanded everyone to repent.JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Saviour of the world.
     
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    My last post:We'll have to agree to disagree and pray that God unites us in eternity.j
     
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    I Chronicles 2:55 - And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.Hebrew #7017 - 7017 Qeyniy kay-nee' or Qiyniy (1 Chron. 2:55) {kee-nee'}; patronymic from 7014; a Kenite or member of the tribe of Kajin:--Kenite.Hebrew #7014 - Qayin kah'-yin the same as 7013 (with a play upon the affinity to 7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe:--Cain, Kenite(-s).Hebrew #8423 - 8423 Tuwbal Qayin too-bal' kah'-yin apparently from 2986 (Compare 2981) and 7014; offspring of Cain; Tubal-Kajin, an antidiluvian patriarch:--Tubal-cain.As we see here. Kenites means sons of Cain (the first murderer)Even Cain's (son of Satan) offspring can have a chance to repent...if they choose too.God commanded everyone to repent.JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Saviour of the world.
    Hi Jag, I hope you take 5 minutes to read the following. …The phrase “son of Satan” is certainly a phrase not recognized in the Bible. I do see the phrase, “sons of Adam,” Deu. 32:8. A valid quote concerning Christ's line of heritage. Christ was the "offspring of Manasseh" and other evil murderers:"A brief glance at the ancestry and posterity of David will show that the line from which Christ sprung, as to his human nature, was such as would tend to concentrate in him all the weaknesses of humanity. To go back to Jacob, we find that before he was converted he had a most unlovely disposition, selfish, crafty, deceitful. His sons partook of the same nature, and Pharez, one of the ancestors of Christ (Matt. 1:3; Gen. 38), was born of a harlot. Rahab, an unenlightened heathen, became an ancestor of Christ. The weakness and idolatry of Solomon are proverbial. Of Rehoboam, Ahijah, Jehoram, Ahaz, Manasseh, Amon, and other kings of Judah, the record is about the same. They sinned and made the people sin. Some of them had not one redeeming trait in their characters, being worse than the heathen around them. It was from such an ancestry that Christ came. Although his mother was a pure and godly woman, as could but be expected, no one can doubt that the human nature of Christ must have been more subject to the infirmities of the flesh than it would have been if he had been born before the race had so greatly deteriorated physically and morally. This was not accidental, but was a necessary part of the great plan of human redemption, as the following will show:—“For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. [The Syriac version has it, “For he did not assume a nature from angels, but he assumed a nature from the seed of Abraham.”] Wherefore in all things it behooved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.” Heb. 2:16-18.Manasseh, son of Hezekiah, “did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord, after the abominations of the heathen, whom the Lord cast out before the children of Israel. For he built up again the high places which Hezekiah his father had destroyed; and he reared up altars for Baal, and made a grove, as did Ahab king of Israel; and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them. . . . and Manasseh seduced them to do more evil than did the nations whom the Lord destroyed before the children of Israel.” “Moreover Manasseh shed innocent blood very much, till he had filled Jerusalem from one end to another; beside his sin wherewith he made Judah to sin, in doing that which was evil in the sight of the Lord.” 2 Kings 21:1-9; 16.Amon succeeded Manasseh, “but he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord, as did Manasseh his father; for Amon sacrificed unto all the carved images which Manasseh his father had made, and served them.” 2 Chron. 33:22.Manasseh, in the same line of heritage as Christ, stopped at nothing in his departure from the Lord, and his case is a warning to those who think that because they have, been brought up respectably they can refuse to serve God, and yet never become so abandoned as others who have sunk to the depths of shame and degradation. Manasseh had a good father and godly training, but turning from the Lord, he went altogether to the bad. He built again the high places which his father had broken down, and reared altars for the worship of the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the Lord. As if this was not enough, “he set a carved image in the house of God.” He caused his children to be sacrificed unto devils, in obedience to the cruel dictates of heathenism. He dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards. The evils for which the Amorites had been cast out were reproduced in Manasseh; “moreover he shed innocent blood very much, till he had filled Jerusalem from one end to the other.”“Moreover Manasseh shed innocent blood very much, till he had filled Jerusalem from one end to another; beside his sin wherewith he made Judah to sin, in doing that which was evil in the sight of the Lord.” 2 Kings 21: 1-9; 16.Man’s extremity is God’s opportunity. In captivity, bemoaning his fate, Manasseh was more accessible to the Spirit of God. There were no flatterers at hand now to fill his ears with vanity. God loved Ma¬nasseh still, and His Spirit came, not to fill his mind with the terrors of a rain remorse, but to whisper thoughts of comfort, and forgiveness. “And when he was in affliction, he besought the Lord his God, and humbled himself greatly.” Perhaps he remembered reading, in the book of Deuteronomy, the promise of God that if, when the curse had fallen on any for disobedience, they should call His words to mind and return unto Him, the Lord would turn their captivity. “If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will He fetch thee.” Deut.30:4. The history of Manasseh is recorded that no one should despair. From the height of op¬portunity and privilege, he fell to the depths of deserved ruin; yet from those depths his plea for mercy was heard at the throne of grace. And God was entreated of him, and heard his supplication, and brought him again to Jerusalem into his kingdom. Then Manasseh knew that the Lord He was God.Manasseh’s repentance was sincere, and during the rest of his long reign we read of no relapse on his part. The people also returned to the worship of God, although they sacrificed still in the high places.” End Quote.Jake
     
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    Its exactly what the Hebrew word means the Bible was not written in English we have to look at meaning of the original wordsHebrew #8423 - 8423 Tuwbal Qayin too-bal' kah'-yin apparently from 2986 (Compare 2981) and 7014; offspring of Cain; Tubal-Kajin, an antidiluvian patriarch:--Tubal-cain.
     
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    Its exactly what the Hebrew word means the Bible was not written in English we have to look at meaning of the original wordsHebrew #8423 - 8423 Tuwbal Qayin too-bal' kah'-yin apparently from 2986 (Compare 2981) and 7014; offspring of Cain; Tubal-Kajin, an antidiluvian patriarch:--Tubal-cain.
    Yes, and Jesus Christ is the "offspring" of many murderers. I'm not understanding your point, is there something more significant in your "belief system" regarding Cain and his offspring? Can you show me where Cain is from the "son of satan" any more than the murderers of Christ's offspring are not? ... Rhetorical. I am very capable of reading my concordance, where does it say that Cain is a "son of Satan." I have not seen the evidence. Besides, it does not matter, we all have a "sinful nature, guilty of the murder of the Son of God. We are no better in nature than Cain. Romans 3. We do not want to lead ourselves into some kind of dangerous territory, history and the Bible give us many warnings regarding the same. None of us can boast of some kind of superiority, even Christ associates himself with mass murderers at the cross. He was "made" to be sin." 2 Corinthians 5. Christ is our Brother, he associates himself with humanity in every way, yet without sin. That's the "essence" of the Bible, the Gospel of Christ. blessings to you in Christ,Jake
     
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    Its exactly what the Hebrew word means the Bible was not written in English we have to look at meaning of the original wordsHebrew #8423 - 8423 Tuwbal Qayin too-bal' kah'-yin apparently from 2986 (Compare 2981) and 7014; offspring of Cain; Tubal-Kajin, an antidiluvian patriarch:--Tubal-cain.
    Yes, and Jesus Christ is the "offspring" of many murderers. I'm not understanding your point, is there something more significant in your "belief system" regarding Cain and his offspring? Can you show me where Cain is from the "son of satan" any more than the murderers of Christ's offspring are not? ... Rhetorical. I am very capable of reading my concordance, where does it say that Cain is a "son of Satan." I have not seen the evidence. Besides, it does not matter, we all have a "sinful nature, guilty of the murder of the Son of God. We are no better in nature than Cain. Romans 3. None of us can boast of some kind of superiority. That would lead into a dangerous territory, which I do not believe you are knitted to Kriss.blessings to you in Christ,JakeGenesis 3:15 - And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.Who is thy seed? Who is her seed?JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour.
     
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    Genesis 3:15 - And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.Who is thy seed? Who is her seed?JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour.
    The whole human race has been given enmity towards Satan, including Cain, yet he chose to rebel against Christ. Genesis 3:15 is the Cross of Christ. It's called the "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." Rev. 13:8. May we exercise the the benefits of the cross as Abel chose to do.There are two enmities in this world: one is from Satan, and is enmity against God; the other is from God, and is enmity against Satan. Hence Jag, "these are the two enmities--the mystery of God, and the mystery of iniquity."The enmity against Satan is the righteousness of God. God stated, "I will put enmity between thee and the woman." God broke the dominion of Satan and set man free to choose which world he wanted. Remember, God gave us "freedom to choose." Does that include a few to decide or all of humanity. All of humanity may choose to "yield" to Christ." Jake
     
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    Cain wasnt choosen for anything he was the first murder Do you see Cain listed in Adam's geneology??Whether you belive Cain was the Son of Satan or was fully adopted by him the facts are the kennites are descentants of Cain
     
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    Genesis 3:15 - And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Who is thy seed? Who is her seed? Jag Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour.
    The whole human race has been given enmity towards Satan, including Cain, yet he chose to rebel against Christ. Genesis 3:15 is the Cross of Christ. It's called the "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." Rev. 13:8. May we exercise the the benefits of the cross as Abel chose to do.There are two enmities in this world: one is from Satan, and is enmity against God; the other is from God, and is enmity against Satan. Hence Jag, "these are the two enmities--the mystery of God, and the mystery of iniquity."The enmity against Satan is the righteousness of God. God stated, "I will put enmity between thee and the woman." God broke the dominion of Satan and set man free to choose which world he wanted. Remember, God gave us "freedom to choose." Does that include a few to decide or all of humanity. All of humanity may choose to "yield" to Christ."Genesis 3:13 - And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.Hebrew #5377 - 5377 nasha' naw-shaw' a primitive root; to lead astray, i.e. (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce:--beguile, deceive, X greatly, X utterly.II Corinthians 11:3 - But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.Greek #1818 - 1818. exapatao ex-ap-at-ah'-o from 1537 and 538; to seduce wholly:--beguile, deceive.JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour.
     
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    You are absoultley right here Jag man to wholly seduce =body mind and spirit
     
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    Cain wasnt choosen for anything he was the first murder Do you see Cain listed in Adam's geneology??
    Are you listed in Adam's genealogy? What were you chosen for? Are you in line with the idea that "some" are chosen for salvation and others are not? I do not understand your reasoning Kriss. Remember Kriss, you are a murderer too. As a matter of fact, you sinned in Adam (Romans 5:12-21). The first, second, third, fourth, or millionth murderer, who is the better person? Christ does not say that the first murderer is condemned to hell anymore than He says the millionth murderer is. YOU and ME are guilty of the murder of the Son of God. Why? Because the wages of sin is death. Have you sinned? Did you put Jesus on the cross? Oh, thank God Kriss, "For He hath made Him to be sin for us [you and me Kriss], who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him." 2 Corinthians 5:21.
     
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    Genesis 3:13 - And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.Hebrew #5377 - 5377 nasha' naw-shaw' a primitive root; to lead astray, i.e. (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce:--beguile, deceive, X greatly, X utterly.II Corinthians 11:3 - But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.Greek #1818 - 1818. exapatao ex-ap-at-ah'-o from 1537 and 538; to seduce wholly:--beguile, deceive.JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour.
    Yes, the scripture states the woman was deceived. ...I'm sure you're playing me for "ignorance" between you and Kriss in some "hidden" "community consensus" "insider interpretation" sort of way. Now that "may" be "seductive." That's fine guys, so be it. If you wish, please explain.Thanks,Jake
     
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    Genesis 3:13 - And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. Hebrew #5377 - 5377 nasha' naw-shaw' a primitive root; to lead astray, i.e. (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce:--beguile, deceive, X greatly, X utterly.II Corinthians 11:3 - But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. Greek #1818 - 1818. exapatao ex-ap-at-ah'-o from 1537 and 538; to seduce wholly:--beguile, deceive. Jag Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour.
    Yes, the scripture states the woman was deceived. ...I'm sure you're playing me for "ignorance" between you and Kriss in some "hidden" "community consensus" sort of way. Now that "may" be "seductive." That's fine guys, so be it.If you wish, please explain.Thanks,JakeSatan had sex with Eve.seduce = to persuade or induce to have sexual intercourse.JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
     
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    Are you listed in Adam's genealogy? What were you chosen for? Are you in line with the idea that "some" are chosen for salvation and others are not? I do not understand your reasoning Kriss. Remember Kriss, you are a murderer too. As a matter of fact, you sinned in Adam (Romans 5:12-21). The first, second, third, fourth, or millionth murderer, who is the better person? Christ does not say that the first murderer is condemned to hell anymore than He says the millionth murderer is. YOU and ME are guilty of the murder of the Son of God. Why? Because the wages of sin is death. Have you sinned? Did you put Jesus on the cross? Oh, thank God Kriss, "For He hath made Him to be sin for us [you and me Kriss], who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him." 2 Corinthians 5:21.
    You are completly misinterpting everything that I saidGod says some are predestined,fore choosen to a purposeJust as some were named in the womb or were choosen as Moses or Paul ect. I never said they were the only ones to get Salvation We all have free will to choose to Love God anything else would be hiersy and make Gods word a joke.The fact Cain is not listed in Adams genology is because he was not his Son or was completly disowed depending on your believe your comparison of me not being in listed in Adams genology is without merit God went to great pains to list Adam and Eves Genology because it was the Blood line of which Christ would be born he was very purposeful in deleting Cain.That bloodline was of the most important things given us in scripture if you dont get that you are not studing it right.
     
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    Satan had sex with Eve.seduce = to persuade or induce to have sexual intercourse.JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
    Interesting, please explain. Have you ever been deceived, does that mean you have had "sex" with Satan? Or are you saying scripture only applies to Eve when she was deceived? Please show me from the scripture the word "seduce" relating to sex regarding Eve.Jake
     
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    Satan had sex with Eve. seduce = to persuade or induce to have sexual intercourse. Jag Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
    Interesting, please explain. Have you ever been deceived, does that mean you have had "sex" with Satan? Or are you saying scripture only applies to Eve when she was deceived? Please show me from the scripture the word "seduce" relating to sex regarding Eve.JakeWhen Satan beguiled Eve... He had sexual intercourse with Eve.Satan first son is Cain.Can I have sex with Satan? Well yes I can, if I want to eat men's doctrine over the Word of God. No thanks, but I rather wait for my Husband Yahshua Christ. For He is faithful wanting to save us. I hate Satan with a passion.JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
     
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    If you are ever going to understand this Jake stop comparing then with now learn to rightly divide the Word and the time. Jag and I are speaking of. Satan is present in the Garden of Eden, and he played the role of the "serpent", and the "tree of good and evil". This word "serpent" in the Hebrew text is "Nachash", and is from the root word, # 5172 in Strong's Hebrew dictionary, "meaning to whisper a magic spell, a divine enchanter." In II Corinthians 11:3, Paul tells us that Satan was "transformed", however in the Greek text it reads; "disguised" as an "angel of light", to deceive Eve. Genesis 3:1 "Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And He said unto the woman, "Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden"?"Satan is "more subtil", and wiser then the ways of the world. The word "beast" does not refer only to the animal world, but all living beings, including man. When Satan asked the question to Eve, "Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" He was not asking the question for the sake of inquiring, but to draw her attention to the matter. This was much like the method that the slick car salesman, or vacuum cleaner salesman uses in breaking down the resistance of the client. He uses the questions to force the person to agree with him. So, within the questions is the key to overcoming the mental barrier, and allowing half truths to be accepted, and twisted the mind of the person to accept a lie as the truth.Satan's quotation of God, "Ye shall not eat of every tree of the Garden?" is stated in the form of a lie, from what God actually stated in Genesis 2:16 and 17. The exception to "every tree" was, "...but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat." That tree [man] is Satan.This is Satan's first utterance in Scripture, and he knows from the start his opposition to God's word. For it is God's Word in the first earth age that sentenced Satan to death, and that is where his name "son of perdition" comes from. Satan is out to foul up the entire plan of God for the ages, which was to make way for the Christ child, whereby all of God's children can be drawn back to Him. Genesis 3:2 "And the woman said unto the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:" Genesis 3:3 "But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, "Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die'."Satan [the serpent] started the misquoting when he changed the words of God from "the tree of good and evil", [which is Satan the only exception], to "fruit of the trees of the garden". Now we see Eve continues the misquoting of Scripture, and twisting God's Word to change the entire meaning. God said, "Thou shalt surely die."; where as in the confusion caused by Satan's twisting, Eve is showing her ignorance in her statement; "lest ye die". It sounds like Eve just bought a car, and a vacuum cleaner, or worse then that, Satan's lie.Are we talking about eating fruit from trees, or even trees in this chapter? No, We are talking about symbols for people, which are represented as the trees. When we look up the common word for "trees" in the Strong's Hebrew dictionary, we find the number # 6086. It reads; "ets, ates; from # 6095, stock tree, timber, wood." It is a common tree.However the trees in the garden of Eden reads, # 6095. We read in the Strong's Hebrew dictionary; "Atsah, aw-tsaw, prime root, prop. to fasten (or make firm), i.e., to close (the eyes): shut." Under # 6095 Hebrew for trees in the garden) page 90 of Strong's Hebrew dictionary, the other reference to this is # 6096.The # 6096; "Atseh, aw-tseh, from 6095; the spine, (as giving firmness to the body):-backbone." This # 6096 "atseh" is the tree referred to in Genesis 3:3. In referring to the fruit of a tree, then, you are talking about children.What runs through the backbone of your body? It is your central nervous system. It is controlling the opening, or closing of your eye. In fact it controls every movement that a person makes, as the system continues the process of sending messages to and from your brain, which never stops. All bodies of all mankind are made in the image of God, whether in the soul body [angelic] like of the first earth age, or the physical body we posses in this earth age. Though the appearance [image] is the same, the substance of our physical bodies are different from the soul bodies. Although manna, the angel food, supported the Israelites in the wilderness [Exodus 16]; when the angels came to earth, as stated in Genesis 6, they survived from the food of physical man. There is another word in this third verse we must understand, and it is the word "touch". God's command to Eve was; "neither shall ye touch it." In the Hebrew text the number for this word "touch" is # 5060 in the Strong's Hebrew dictionary. It reads; "Naga, neh-gah; a prime root, prop. to touch, i.e., lay the hand upon (for the purpose; euphemism, to lie with a woman), to reach, "So we see that the warning to Adam and Eve specifically, was to stay away from Satan [called both the "serpent", and the "tree of good and evil"]. The fruit of that tree was not to be taken; and we know that the "fruit" as the results of a sexual relationship between any man and woman is a child. God's command was that Eve "not touch [lay with Satan]." So by reviewing the Hebrew text, we see that the order by God is that Eve not have sexual union with Satan." Eve was a woman living in the flesh, with all the limits of the flesh, while Satan is not of the flesh, but a supernatural person from another dimension. Genesis 3:4 "And the serpent said unto the woman, "Ye shall not surely die:"Satan, throughout the entire Scripture, has had that way about him. However, before we continue in Genesis, lets see what Paul and Jesus had to say on this matter. We read in II Corinthians 11:1; "Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me." The Apostle Paul is saying, I want to tell you what is really on my heart.II Corinthians 11:2 "For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ." "Espoused" is to cause one to become engaged. What is the subject and the object here? The subject is "presenting you as a chaste virgin; while the object is loosing ones virginity." Christ is the husband and we are the bride of Christ. This is using a flesh term to explain a spiritual matter. Virginity is a state of condition relating only to sexual matters of a woman [female], and when Christ called the church His bride, He expects us to act as a bride. II Corinthians 11:3 "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." In other words, you turn away from the simplicity of reading God's Word. The word "beguiled" in the Strong's Greek dictionary is # 1818; "exapatao, ex-ap-at ah-o, from 1537 and 538, to seduce wholly, to beguile, deceive." In # 1537 we read; "ex, shows point of origin".This verse has only one meaning, and that is not to be wholly seduced, and lose your virginity as Eve did. So in the Greek text this verse would read; "I am afraid your going to lose your virginity as Eve did, who was wholly seduced by the serpent [Satan]." Paul will say later in this chapter [verse 14], "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed [fashioned himself] into an angel of light." Upon Satan's arrival on earth very shortly, he will appear just as Jesus Himself will appear. The word "transformed" in the Greek manuscripts is, "disguised" as an angel of light.II Corinthians 11:4 "For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him."If someone preaches another Jesus; another message; a story of some apple on a tree, or any other Satanic type lie or distortion, then mark him well. Or if they bring any child's play into God's House, or short cuts to the Gospel of Christ; Paul is saying that it seems to him that you swallow it wholly. It seems also that the churches of today go hunting for someone to deceive them.
     
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    You are completly misinterpting everything that I saidGod says some are predestined,fore choosen to a purposeJust as some were named in the womb or were choosen as Moses or Paul ect. I never said they were the only ones to get Salvation We all have free will to choose to Love God anything else would be hiersy and make Gods word a joke.The fact Cain is not listed in Adams genology is because he was not his Son or was completly disowed depending on your believe your comparison of me not being in listed in Adams genology is without merit God went to great pains to list Adam and Eves Genology because it was the Blood line of which Christ would be born he was very purposeful in deleting Cain.That bloodline was of the most important things given us in scripture if you dont get that you are not studing it right.
    What did God choose you for according to scripture? ... If you have been acute to my line of reasoning you would have recognized that "all have sinned" and fall short of the glory of God. What I am saying is evident, I believe in the "Good NEWS." That's why I put in Christ's genealogy, full of murderers and adulterers, like you and me. You stress Cain, I stress Christ. And it is only Christ that gives HOPE to the sinner, Christ having the very same nature as us, yet without sin. You seem to be stuck on the "Bad News" making sure we notice "cain" is not in the genealogy. So be it, he is absent, NOW ... turn that around, if you choose and give me the Good News out of that, that's our great commission (Matt. 24:14). But the GREAT NEWS is that Christ's genealogy is full of people like you and me, murderers and adulterers. What blessed hope!
     
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    You are completly misinterpting everything that I saidGod says some are predestined,fore choosen to a purposeJust as some were named in the womb or were choosen as Moses or Paul ect.I never said they were the only ones to get Salvation We all have free will to choose to Love God anything else would be hiersy and make Gods word a joke.The fact Cain is not listed in Adams genology is because he was not his Son or was completly disowed depending on your believe your comparison of me not being in listed in Adams genology is without merit God went to great pains to list Adam and Eves Genology because it was the Blood line of which Christ would be born he was very purposeful in deleting Cain.That bloodline was of the most important things given us in scripture if you dont get that you are not studing it right.
    What did God choose you for according to scripture? ... If you have been acute to my line of reasoning you would have recognized that "all have sinned" and fall short of the glory of God.What I am saying is evident, I believe in the "Good NEWS." That's why I put in Christ's genealogy, full of murderers and adulterers, like you and me. You stress Cain, I stress Christ. And it is only Christ that gives HOPE to the sinner, Christ having the very same nature as us, yet without sin. You seem to be stuck on the "Bad News" making sure we notice "cain" is not in the genealogy. So be it, he is absent, NOW ... turn that around, if you choose and give me the Good News out of that, that's our great commission (Matt. 24:14).But the GREAT NEWS is that Christ's genealogy is full of people like you and me, murderers and adulterers. What blessed hope!You miss the whole point. Trying to fit Cain and the Kenites ruins the whole lineage of Christ to come through. It's like trying to fit Satan into God.JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
     
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    What did God choose you for according to scripture? ... If you have been acute to my line of reasoning you would have recognized that "all have sinned" and fall short of the glory of God. What I am saying is evident, I believe in the "Good NEWS." That's why I put in Christ's genealogy, full of murderers and adulterers, like you and me. You stress Cain, I stress Christ. And it is only Christ that gives HOPE to the sinner, Christ having the very same nature as us, yet without sin. You seem to be stuck on the "Bad News" making sure we notice "cain" is not in the genealogy. So be it, he is absent, NOW ... turn that around, if you choose and give me the Good News out of that, that's our great commission (Matt. 24:14). But the GREAT NEWS is that Christ's genealogy is full of people like you and me, murderers and adulterers. What blessed hope!
    What are you even talking about all I said was Gods word says some are predestined I dont know who they are I never claimed to be one Im just a sinner like everyone else All I said was cain was evil from the beginning the first murder I think you have confused my posts with someone else's or you are completly in the dark as to anything I teach.
     
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