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Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Hobie, Apr 28, 2019.

  1. Lady Crosstalk

    Lady Crosstalk Well-Known Member

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    It's a love thing. Too often in the past, legalism has turned many away from a life in Christ. My pastor brother-in-law describes legalistic Christians as, "looking like they were baptized in pickle juice!" Concentrating on the negative (not sinning) makes one into a negative person. Concentrating on the positive--our love for God and His Son, is what keeps us from sinning (not totally, there always seems to be sin from time to time). Jesus said, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." He added a new one that we do well to keep in mind--"love one another".
     
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    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    Theosis is biblical and although rejected in the Western churches...it is a basic tenet in the Eastern orthodox churches. The Salvation Army is an exception ...as well as a few other denominations. These taught holiness and entire sanctification. But nothing like the Eastern churches.

    Paul was an advocate of the high calling in Christ...Oneness with God.....which is practically unknown in the West in modern times.
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    I'd have to say, not in the churches which I know.

    We are born again with God's nature, now our new nature. Partakers of His nature. The fact that we now share in our Heavenly Father's nature is what allows us to live a holy and righteous life, because we have become holy and righteous through our rebirth.

    Much love!
    mark
     
  5. stunnedbygrace

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    I read this thread real quick while I was waiting to close up at 7. Then on the way home, I got behind a car and realized you didn't give an important option in the poll. Vanity plates!! :D
    The car I was behind said IROL4JC.
     
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    Oops I posted in wrong thread epi , sorry.
     
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    I had to look up theosis because I had never heard the word. I think Paul was a...theosisist! :)
     
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    The kjv is not that hard to understand....anyone with a third grade reading level can understand it. Just get a dictionary for the more difficult words. You will even benefit by increasing your vocabulary.

    I find that there are substantial, subtle differences that make a difference when trying to prove a point out of the kjv. The online bible version supported by this site, for example, often translates verses slightly differently so that I have to refer you to the kjv rather than just let you click on the verse as it is given in the online bible here.

    Indeed.

    Col 3:14, And above all these things put on charity (love), which is the bond of perfectness.
     
  9. Lady Crosstalk

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    God is God--and we are not. Theosis is very much linked to Christian perfectionism and, in my opinion (and that of many, many others) is deception. The New Agers teach that we will become gods and goddesses.

    Striking the Balance
     
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    No--that is a concept that invaded Christianity through the Cappadocian Fathers and there are good reasons why it has always been considered a false teaching in Western Christianity. It was never embraced by either the RCC or the later Reformers. The Apostle Paul was not a false teacher.
     
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    Theosis is much more than that--it suggests that in merging with God, we become a "little god". I believe there is now a prosperity gospel preacher who preaches that (is it Creflo Dollar?--yes, that is his real name:rolleyes:).
     
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    I see it earlier than that! We are being transformed and conformed to someone else's image, aren't we? Didn't the apostles say that?
     
  13. Lady Crosstalk

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    I didn't say I didn't understand it--I was raised on the KJV. I said most of the under 30s find it difficult and you will never convince them that the KJV is "superior" (it really isn't).



    It is the Holy Spirit who leads into all truth--not any specific translation.



    I looked up the Greek--the word used is teleiotētos which means "perfect unity." The passage is stating, "Above all these things, put on love, which is the bond of perfect unity." Says nothing about personal perfection.
     
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    You are disrespecting an ancient and biblical church doctrine. The real new age movement comes from the West and a lack of real connection with the living God. (theosis)

    So you are seeing this backwards.
     
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    Adam and Eve were made in the image of God but that doesn't mean that they were God. Isn't that the temptation that Satan put before them--that they would "become like God"? God is God, and we are not (nor will we ever be).
     
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    The New Age movement is pagan mysticism. The Western Church rejected theosis for the reason that they felt that rationality should control doctrine rather than mystical experience.
     
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    Man-made control has led to a lack of connection to God...and a vacuum to be filled with other spirits.
     
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    I didn't see in what I read about theosis that the Christian thought is that we actually become God. But I'm sure that, as always, some unstable men could grab it and run with it to that!
     
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    An ancient Hebraic concept that put Israel in marked contrast to their pagan neighbors was the idea that faith must be informed by reason. The prophet, Isaiah said, "Come, let us reason together." He mocked those who were idolatrous, for bowing down to idols they had made from a block of wood and then burning the rest on their cooking fires.
     
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    Its maybe much safer to make sure everyone keeps a safe enough distance from men like Paul and the Holy Spirit. Just ask Saphira and Ananias! (Did I get their names right?)
     
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