The False vs True Gift Of Tongues
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Deut 8:19,20 .... I testify against you today that you will surely perish. “Like the nations that the LORD makes to perish before you, so you shall perish; because you would not listen to the voice of the LORD your God.
We are saved by faith and faith comes from hearing Him (Rom 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.) And so if you listen to the voice of the Lord your God you will be saved!
Jn 6:63,64 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.
“But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him.
And who are those "who do not believe"? If of course are those who "would not listen to the voice of the Lord" our God!
And so it was written -
Deut 6:4 “Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one! “You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. “These words, which I am commanding you today, shall be on your heart.
So is hearing the Lord our God what is on their heart, or is what's on their heart that they will live because the Jesus will speak to God for them - so they don't have to???
It was in the book of Hebrews that we read:
Heb 3:7-11 Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says,
“TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE,
DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS AS WHEN THEY PROVOKED ME,
AS IN THE DAY OF TRIAL IN THE WILDERNESS,
WHERE YOUR FATHERS TRIED Me BY TESTING Me,
AND SAW MY WORKS FOR FORTY YEARS.
“THEREFORE I WAS ANGRY WITH THIS GENERATION,
AND SAID, ‘THEY ALWAYS GO ASTRAY IN THEIR HEART,
AND THEY DID NOT KNOW MY WAYS’;
AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH,
‘THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.’”
So are they trying to take a verse out of context to explain that we don't have to listen to the Lord Today??? It seems so.
Heb 7 was about how we have a priest we can go to forever - Jesus Christ. So He can and did make the sacrifice that saves us. And the He, our priest forever, talks to His Father in heaven and so we will be saved, if indeed we do actually go to our Priest (Jesus Christ). But they don't go to Him if they don't talk to Him. And they don't talk to Him if they don't listen to Him!! And they don't listen to Him if they don't know Him. And they don't know Him if they are saying the Bible is their friend! So they try and say that they don't need to listen to Him Today, They tell themselves that since He talks to His Father in heaven they don't need to listen to Him, seek Him, and get to know Him. So when His Holy Spirit comes to their spirit with His words they reject Him and His Holy Spirit. And if His Holy Spirit even comes in a manor that causes them to speak in tongues, so they don't know what is being said, they still will not listen to Him speak to them in their language! Instead they say that it might be from the devil, because they don't really believe He, Jesus Christ the Word of God, is there with His Holy Spirit to talk to them!
Therefore they HARDEN their hearts like those before them who Moses wrote to explaining:
Deut 8:19,20 .... I testify against you today that you will surely perish. “Like the nations that the LORD makes to perish before you, so you shall perish; because you would not listen to the voice of the LORD your God.
Yeah - Jesus Christ talks to His Father and intercedes for you, but only if He is your High Priest that you go and talk with! And if you don't listen to Him Today, then you have harden you hearts and are putting Him to the test, like those in the desert, and you shall surely perish like the also because you would not listen to the voice of the Lord your God - Jesus Christ!
And dancing around over your unfaithfulness is not going to help you:
The thing is there is a counter force to God that leads away from Him as this angel abode not in truth, and he is always spreading his lies and many listen to what he says and his evil angels leading to death.
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
The above understanding should be basic understanding in everyone!!!
That is to say the Holy Spirit leads us to Jesus Christ, and causes us to seek Him and what He has to say, as the Word of God!!!
So concerning this thread about "The False vs True Gift Of Tongues" - there should be an understanding that the Holy Spirit gives the "Gift of Tongues" so that we will seek Jesus Christ and what He has to say to us!!
And this should be happening - because obviously if we start speaking in a language we don't understand we then as true believers would then ask Jesus Christ what is happening and for the interpretation in a language we can understand!!
This is why, as recorded in Acts, the devote believers heard what everyone else was speaking in tongues in their own language!! They quickly sought the Lord (the Living Word of God) for what was being said and they quickly (instantly) got the interpretation, so they were hearing what was being said in Tongues in their own language. Yet the others (the not devote believers) didn't seek the Lord, The Living Word of God), for what was being said; thereby showing what spirit they were of!
Therefore it is not about "The False vs True Gift Of Tongues", but about whether we personally are seeking Jesus Christ!!
Did we not read anything in the Scriptures about taking all thoughts captive to Jesus Christ??
If you are a "true" believe, you are seeking Jesus Christ for what He has to saye concerning all your thoughts!!
So who is making it about "The False vs True Gift Of Tongues" - instead of making it about taking all thoughts captive to Jesus Christ and hearing what He has to say to us personally???
And this explains why we need to talk about seeking the Lord and His voice on this thread about ""The False vs True Gift Of Tongues"!!!
If you are making it about whether someone speaking in tongues is from the devil or God, and yet not actually seeking the Lord our God Jesus Christ, who is the living Word of God because as pointed out [Heb 7:25 He is forever able to save the people he leads to God, because he always lives to speak to God for them.}, then it is you who are having problems being lead astray by the dark spiritual forces of the world! Indeed, as Hobie posted - "there is a counter force to God that leads away from Him as this angel abode not in truth".
That is soooooo right!! So if the spirit you are listening is getting you to seek Jesus Christ as you Lord then that is the Spirit of God - but if the spirit in you is not getting you to seek Jesus Christ - and that means when the Holy Spirit even gives you the 'Gift of Tongues' so that you are speaking in a language you don't know so that you need Jesus Christ as the Word of God, then it is spirit in you which is leading you astray!
But the other spirits, the 'unclean spirits' are also at work and we see it in these churchs with people speaking utter nonsense claiming it is from God, when it does not edify or uplift or spread the gospel to other peoples who speak other languages..
quietthinker
Well-Known Member
Speaking in tongues can also be understood as having the gift of sharing the Gospel succinctly.
The Acts 2 account not only tells us it was other languages but also what it was they were sharing ie, 'the wonderful works of God'
If it is not sharing the wonderful works of God in a way understood by the hearers and identified as such then in my view, the phenomena is highly suspect.....and to add, what I have witnessed has all been highly suspect....and that's being polite
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
Beware hobie lest that come upon you which JESUS the CHRIST himself so direly warned about .
First . you said very truly that there are other spirits at work , unclean ones and we sure as heck do see it within many churches .
As for tongues itself , however , sometimes and often folks utter this FROM GOD and IT COMETH OF GOD
even paul knew that . What HE said was not that it was NOT OF GOD
but rather he had rather speak five words by which a man could understand .
Now i do know a HEAVY KUNDALINI spirit of all out darkness was EXPRESSELY sent out and seen
through the toronto blessing or what i call the toronto curse .
THE SPIRIT never behaves itself unseemingly . and what many call SLAIN in the SPIRIT
is not at all what that meant or ever did .
HOWEVER beware hobie and beware these next words well . Just cause one
is speaking and the sounds may sound like babbling , THAT DONT MEAN IT AINT TONGUES .
NOW if seasoned leaders were present IN SAID CHURCH they would have followed the pattern PAUL instructed .
BY TWO or at three at most , AND that ONE BY ONE and let there be an interpreter .
However many do not follow the pattern . BUT IT DONT MEAN they are not necessarily speaking with tongues .
And far more follow , as you said ANOTHER SPIRIT INDEED .
But beware that you accuse not the act , the sound , the speaking as though its not of GOD .
rather arise and you correct them by saying . THIS SHOULD be being done according to the pattern taught to us in the bible .
BUT you are VERY RIGHT when you said MANY UNCLEAN spirits are indeed at work . THEY TOO can mimic
My advice to all is , beware of that which is called being slain in the SPIRIT
beware of preachers who wave towels or throw the spirit upon folks and you suddenly see them falling and wallowing .
But TONGUES is real . the problem is MOST folks dont follow the biblical pattern for its practice within the church .
AND most folks are INDEED UNDER another spirit .
Bottom line fact of the matter is, modern day so-called "tongues", like all other biblical manifistations (gifts) of the Spitit, WERE, but are no more. They all ceased, and logically so, as was stated they all would in 1 Cor 13:8. Tongues may be "real" all right, but it's real nonsense; nothing more than babbling gibberish that no one understands, serves no purpose, and the source of which is not God.
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
you wanna hear another bottom line fact . DID you know even before i had even typed one word to you
I JUST KNEW with no doubt , with no doubt it just came to me so clear that this man hobie is a cessationist .
The only reason i did not tell you this at first was due to i was sure a hoping you might have heard what i said .
HOW IS IT that ALL OF A SUDDEN withou KNOWING ANYTHING bout ya
I KNEW YOU WAS A CESSASTIONIST . please dont say satan told me . SPIRITUAL DISCERNEMNT , OH IT BE REAL
my freind . and you are in dire danger for sitting under such men . And if didnt love ya
i would not warn you .
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
its hard to admire an cessationists even WHEN they say A DEEP TRUTH like we SO MUCH NEED THE BIBLE .
why
cause they DONT EVEN HEED PARTS OF IT .
WISH TO GOD THEY DID . IT would have made my job a bit easier for i too say GET IN THEM BIBLES .
but the problem is
what the problem has always been
even many that make good cliams about the BIBLE , STILL FOLLOW MEN and THEIR OWN INTERPREATIONS of what
THEY SAY THE BIBLE IS , EVEN WHEN THEY CLEARLY CONTRADICT IT and worse FOLKS LISTEN TO THEM .
THIS is why i say to everyone , YOU GET IN BIBLE FOR YOU and YOU LEARN FOR YOU .
why
cause they DONT EVEN HEED PARTS OF IT .
WISH TO GOD THEY DID . IT would have made my job a bit easier for i too say GET IN THEM BIBLES .
but the problem is
what the problem has always been
even many that make good cliams about the BIBLE , STILL FOLLOW MEN and THEIR OWN INTERPREATIONS of what
THEY SAY THE BIBLE IS , EVEN WHEN THEY CLEARLY CONTRADICT IT and worse FOLKS LISTEN TO THEM .
THIS is why i say to everyone , YOU GET IN BIBLE FOR YOU and YOU LEARN FOR YOU .
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
Soon the pilates and herods will merge as one
with hatred against lambs like me . who exposed them both for what they is and were .
this lamb dont pick and choose doctrines , pick and choose what sins to expose and what sins to cover .
I EXPOSE IT ALL and I CHOOSE ONLY THE RIGHLY DIVIDED TRUTH IN THAT BIBLE as MY TRUTH and for MY LEARNING .
Soon enough all camps will merge as one against folks like me . And while i pray for them
THIS LAMB WONT BE A CONFORMING TO THEM . whatever comes against me , whatever GOD allows against me
I SEE AS ONLY GOOD FOR ME and for those WHO LOVE HIM . YEP . MADE MY CHOICE .
THE BIBLE BY MY BOOK , GOD MY GOD , HIS CHRIST MY CHRIST . the cost just gonna have to be the cost .
with hatred against lambs like me . who exposed them both for what they is and were .
this lamb dont pick and choose doctrines , pick and choose what sins to expose and what sins to cover .
I EXPOSE IT ALL and I CHOOSE ONLY THE RIGHLY DIVIDED TRUTH IN THAT BIBLE as MY TRUTH and for MY LEARNING .
Soon enough all camps will merge as one against folks like me . And while i pray for them
THIS LAMB WONT BE A CONFORMING TO THEM . whatever comes against me , whatever GOD allows against me
I SEE AS ONLY GOOD FOR ME and for those WHO LOVE HIM . YEP . MADE MY CHOICE .
THE BIBLE BY MY BOOK , GOD MY GOD , HIS CHRIST MY CHRIST . the cost just gonna have to be the cost .
Not so! I began speaking in an unknown tongue, a gift from God, in 1976. For many years now I speak daily in my morning time with God in an unknown tongue as well as any time I am talking with God. You may doubt it, but be careful about presuming that you know about the what the experiences others have, or do not have with God...
| 1co 13:8 | Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. |
| 1co 13:9 | For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. |
| 1co 13:10 | But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. |
When that which is perfect is come, is when? Is it not when that which is in part is done away. No more "as through a glass darkly", but rather "face to face"!
| 1co 13:12 | For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. |
Who is already there at that "face to face" vision and knowledge? Who already knows things as Jesus knows them?
You presume to speak about things outside of your experience. Is it not better to remain silent?
| Ec 3:1 | To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: |
| Ec 3:7 | ...a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; |
Did not Jesus who knew so much more than we, know when he should remain silent?
| Mt 27:12 | And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing. |
| Mt 27:13 | Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee? |
| Mt 27:14 | And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly. |
But then...
| Mt 5:2 | And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying, |
| 1jo 3:2 | Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. |
Again the question: Who is now so like that he now sees Him face to face as he is?
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My testimony stands. I would be untrue to both God and myself to speak against it based on a thesis or conversation or debate or discussion using human logic. We do live for God by faith rather than by logic.
| Heb 10:38 | Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. |
You may not understand or agree but it goes well beyond what I may or may not like.
The Holy Spirit does not force tongue speaking on anyone. Jesus said to ask, like this.
Luke 11
9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for [e]bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
And in John 7
37 On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink.
38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.”
39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those [g]believing in Him would receive; for the [h]Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
Some believe the Spirit is no longer given.
Some believe what Jesus says is still real today.
We are also told to abide in the doctrine of Christ.
Jesus never said anything about ceasing of spiritual gifts.
And what people think of how Paul wrote what he did about ceasing, they read wrongly.
As Peter says about the promise of the Holy Spirit, note v39
39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
Afar off in time and place. Does the LORD still call?
When He stops calling, then the promise has ceased.
He still is calling His people to Himself, gathering them in.
So, the promise of the Holy Spirit is as real today as it always is.
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33 Therefore being exalted [j]to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.
34 “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:
‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’
36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the [k]remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
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More of the same
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. 15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only [e]the third hour of the day. 16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in heaven above
And signs in the earth beneath:
Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.
21 And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Shall be saved.’
22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you [f]have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 whom God raised up, having [g]loosed the [h]pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it. 25 For David says concerning Him:
‘I foresaw the Lord always before my face,
For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
26 Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.’
29 “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, [i]according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. 33 Therefore being exalted [j]to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.
34 “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:
‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’
36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the [k]remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
Luke 11
9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for [e]bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
And in John 7
37 On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink.
38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.”
39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those [g]believing in Him would receive; for the [h]Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
Some believe the Spirit is no longer given.
Some believe what Jesus says is still real today.
We are also told to abide in the doctrine of Christ.
Jesus never said anything about ceasing of spiritual gifts.
And what people think of how Paul wrote what he did about ceasing, they read wrongly.
As Peter says about the promise of the Holy Spirit, note v39
39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
Afar off in time and place. Does the LORD still call?
When He stops calling, then the promise has ceased.
He still is calling His people to Himself, gathering them in.
So, the promise of the Holy Spirit is as real today as it always is.
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33 Therefore being exalted [j]to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.
34 “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:
‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’
36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the [k]remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
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More of the same
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. 15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only [e]the third hour of the day. 16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in heaven above
And signs in the earth beneath:
Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.
21 And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Shall be saved.’
22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you [f]have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 whom God raised up, having [g]loosed the [h]pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it. 25 For David says concerning Him:
‘I foresaw the Lord always before my face,
For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
26 Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.’
29 “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, [i]according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. 33 Therefore being exalted [j]to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.
34 “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:
‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’
36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the [k]remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
Not 'gut' but the Holy Spirit:
| Joh 14:26 | But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. |
| 2co 3:6 | [God] Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. |
Who was Jesus speaking to as recorded in the John scripture you cited? It was his apostles, not you, not me, not us today. Has the Spirit taught you all things and brought them into remembrance? YOU (nor I or anyone else) are not the YOU that is recorded in this scripture; it's his apostles. Go back to the previous chapter and read from there. This is a mistake that many make when reading scripture; they don't take into consideration who specifically and when it was written or about, and then go off on a tangent assuming it refers to everyone, then, now, always, etc. Read it again in correct context.
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