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The 'Gospel' and Churchianity

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    theQuestioneer Active Member

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    The Gospel in a Nutshell (acording to Churchianity)

    In 1 Corinthians 15:1-8, the apostle Paul summarizes the most basic ingredients of the gospel message, namely, the death, burial, resurrection, and appearances of the resurrected Christ. Note the four clauses introduced by that in bold type in verses 3-5 below:

    15:1- Now I want to make clear for you, brothers and sisters, the gospel that I preached to you, that you received and on which you stand, 2- and by which you are being saved, if you hold firmly to the message I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. 3- For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received—that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, 4 -and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day according to the scriptures,5- and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve…
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    Now we should VERY SERIUOSLY consider their Hypocrisy: they DON'T BELEIVE their 'gospel'!

    1- They don't believe Jesus EVER died! (They cop-out with a 'spiritual' death, even alto that means he was cut off from the 'Triune God") They believe that Jesus ascended to heaven AGAIN with the thief, and that he preached to those in "Hellfire")
    2- They don't believe Jesus EVER was resurrected! ( Just the good ol' 'immortal soul' floating out of the body, then back into it!)

    So why do you believe in them?
     
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    Pearl Well-Known Member

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    Who are 'they'?
     
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    Churches in general- Churchianity.
     
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    Pearl Well-Known Member

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    I have never experienced a church that believe the things you are stating. You must have belonged to the wrong sort of church.
     
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    Really? Then you've never 'heard' that Jesus is God???
    That we are "immortal souls"???
     
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    When one breaks down church dogma, you wonder why you ever fell for it!
     
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    You haven't "broken down" church dogma.
    You have just invented a huge straw man.
     
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    'Triune God'- 3 Persons/ Essences/ Natures. (Whatever)

    Did 'God-the-Son' (opposite of the son of God) always exist?
    Or not until 'He' was born as a man?
     
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    Switching topics.
    A new straw man comes into existence.
     
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    'Triune God'- 3 Persons/ Essences/ Natures. (Whatever)

    Did the 'Godhead' send One of Themselves to become human?
    'God-the-Father' sending the Ghost-God to impregnate Mary, with a 'God-the-Fetus'?

    (Is this what you asked for, Mungo)
     
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    This is part of your supposed "gospel".
    A 'straw man' uses a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument.

    I merely question YOUR church dogma.
    Does that make them "Gospel Straw Men".
     
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    Good question.

    Another is what exactly do they believe or not believe?

    I know there are some in history who believed Jesus to be only a spirit temporarily possessing a human body, but like the Olympian gods of old...

    This is why John specifically targets them as antichrists: "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." (1 John 1)
     
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    The antichrists taught more things than THAT, and now even more so...
     
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    "They don't believe Jesus EVER died! They don't believe Jesus EVER was resurrected! 'God-the-Father' sending the Ghost-God to impregnate Mary, with a 'God-the-Fetus'?"

    Ah, and we have it. If Jesus is the true God, and God can never die, then Jesus was either never fully a man but only the Spirit of God temporarily inhabiting a human body, since God can never die and so can never be resurrected from death, which of course is paganism 101. Or, according to entirely normal humanistic reasoning, Jesus was only a man, so that he could die, and be resurrected by God, and then given the blessed gift of immortality... Like Herakles, which of course is Paganism 102.

    Jesus was the next Herakles to be deified as perfect Man, and Mary was the next Demeter to be glorified as perfect Mother.

    'God can never die' is the same carnal mindedness of 'God can never be begotten'. And so they throw out Jesus as God in the flesh, and stick with Jehovah of the Old Covenant. Which is fine, except that rather than being some more unbelieving Jews, they then want to at least give lip-service to Jesus as a divinely created and resurrected being. Like Lucifer who didn't go bad.

    So they are not really unbelieving Jews, and a little above Islamists that merely hold Jesus as another prophet less than Mohamed, and not really them that say the Spirit and nature of God only temporarily inhabited a man's shape, and not Christian believing Jesus is the true God.

    So what are we left with? I don't know. Ask them!

    "Churches in general- Churchianity." I.e. Normal Christian churches, not pagan cults.
     
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    'Triune God'- 3 Persons/ Essences/ Natures. (Whatever)

    Since Jesus said the Father was in him, and he certainly had the holy spirit (Holy Ghost-God, to you trinitarians), does it mean that the "Godhead", the "the Trine God", was NAILED UP???
     
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    They worship Jehovah only, and reject Jesus as the true God, but pay lip service to Him as a created and resurrected man:

    Who and what is that? Not unbelieving Jews. No Islamists that acknowledge Jesus only as a prophet without resurrection. Not a traditional pagan believing God inhabited a body temporarily. Not a Christian believing Jesus came as God in the flesh.

    Some sort of hybrid. Hydra hybrid? Many heads stuck together that keep popping up when one is lopped off?

    Maybe a Hybrid Hydra of Scripture? Like a water-snake of many heads rising up with one misshapen Scripture after another, out of one mouth and then the other? Each time rebuked by sound Scripture plainly written, only to pop up in another place with wrested scripture in it's teeth??

    Now that is Revelation 101: "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy." (Rev 13)
     
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    The simple answer of Scripture is of course, yes, the Holy One of Israel died on the cross in the flesh and resurrected in the Spirit.

    "Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David. He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption." (Acts 2)

    Jesus Christ the Holy One of Israel Who died in the flesh and was buried in a tomb and then resurrected in the Spirit.

    There is One Lord, even as there is one Holy One of God and of Israel.

    Simple. Now to the humanistically hydridic mind, unacceptable.
     
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    'Triune God'- 3 Persons/ Essences/ Natures. (Whatever)

    At Jesus baptism, did 1/3 speak from heaven, and a 1/3 Ghost-God possessed the 1/3 'God-the-Son'???
     
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    Pay no attention. He's one of MANY recent JW Trolls who have joined the forum.
    They're going from thread-to thread like locusts, repudiating the Trinity.

    Rather boring and easily-debunkable - but they conveniently reject every Scripture that obliterates their heresies . . .
     
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    Hmmmm! Unfounded Judgement. The Triune Polytheism would be denied by Christ.
    But, you wouldn't know that WOULD you?

    Prov 3:13- Happy is the man who finds wisdom, and the man who gets understanding!
     
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