Paul's letters addressed issues within each church but the message applies to everyone.
Not when specific verses are TO THE BRETHREN, or TO THE SAINTS, etc.
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Paul's letters addressed issues within each church but the message applies to everyone.
I will just humbly agree to disagree with you. Have a nice day.Not when specific verses are TO THE BRETHREN, or TO THE SAINTS, etc.
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You’re on ignore as your excuse is worse than you’re original false charge.Here’s who Paul wrote to at Corinth - it’s not to the unsaved, not to mention 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 is clearly a warning to the BRETHREN:
1Co 1:1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
1Co 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
Here’s the clear and unequivocal warning TO THE BRETHREN
1Co 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and DEFRAUD (steal from) and that your BRETHREN.
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? BE NOT DECEIVED: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor THIEVES (such as those who DEFRAUD their brethren, verse 8) nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Explain how wresting Paul’s prophecies; could result in their destruction? That makes no sense whatsoever.
The fact is that hyper grace wrests Paul’s writings to the destruction of those who are deceived into thinking they can sin however much and as often they want, with no repentance, but then end up in hell.
And it’s the doctrine of demons, taught by teachers that those with itching ears love to hear, because it justifies living a sinful lifestyle.
What’s peters assessment of end time events to come, in 1 Peter 3?
This:
2Pe 3:11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,
And he went on to say:
2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Peter says nothing about it being prophecy that some wrest to their own destruction- which would be nonsense - twisting doctrine about the rapture - Paul’s prophecies - would not be a salvation issue.
But living sinfully as a believer IS a salvational issue.
You said this: This is utter falsehood (unless you can quote me with the post #). It’s people like you who spew falsehoods about others that make Christian forums a laughing stock amongst seekers.
What I quoted was what hyper grace teachers teach - thus since you espouse that theology, you also must believe that a believer can sin all they want, and God doesn’t care, nor will He hold it against you.
Ok you have no Scriptural reference for your previous claim, just logical deductions.
Yes when we are born again we have a new heart but yhe carcass of the dying old man follows us to the grave.
2 Corinthians 4:10 (NASB) always carrying about in the body the dying of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body.
I take it you’ve never read Romans chapters 7 and 8, which go together.
Paul explains in Romans chapters 7 and 8, that after we have been saved there is a continuing conflict between our flesh and our Spirit - between temptation to walk in the flesh and live in sin - and our desire to walk after the Holy Spirit that now dwells in us: and the apostle Paul warns us in Romans 8, that choosing to live in sins (works of the flesh), result in spiritual death.
Either we are forgiven in Christ, or we are forgiven for our own forgiving of others. Either we forgive to earn forgiveness, or we just forgive, having been forgiven. I see these as contrary to each other.That's fine. Both are right.
It sounds to me that he's simply asserting that your assertions are your own logical deductions from the Scriptures, but lack an actual Scripture that teaches these things.So you have the desire to be mean. Okay. I don't.
That's a good passage to keep in mind in this discussion!2 Corinthians 4:10 (NASB) always carrying about in the body the dying of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body.
No he didn't take our punishment for sin, Do the really think God the Father punished his own Son for something he didn't do?
There are four problems with your claim
1. The punishment for sin is eternal separation from God – but Jesus is not eternally separated from God.
2. God would be legally punishing an innocent person for the sins of another.
3. If the legal debt has been paid then no-one can be condemned for sin since then God would be taking double payment for the same debt.
4. There is no need for God’s mercy since the debt has been paid. Mercy implies reduction or “letting off” of some or all the debt of punishment.
And Rom 5:19 says nothing to support your claim.
Call it mean if you wish. I suppose the Bereans were mean as well?. -.So you have the desire to be mean. Okay. I don't.
Either we are forgiven in Christ, or we are forgiven for our own forgiving of others. Either we forgive to earn forgiveness, or we just forgive, having been forgiven. I see these as contrary to each other.
All we receive, every spiritual blessing, we receive "in Christ", and not as reward for works.
Much love!
I thought you had said that we forgive others so that God will forgive us. Isn't that right? That God won't forgive current sins unless we forgive everyone who sins against us?We forgive to OBEY. It is not a work. Look at 1 John 1:7 we are walking in the Spirit not the flesh.
We are the righteousness of God through Christ Jesus....so this scripture refers to the unsaved....
“For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”
— 2 Corinthians 5:21 (KJV)
I thought you had said that we forgive others so that God will forgive us. Isn't that right?
I've wondered how complete you feel this needs to be? And how it impacts sins that are forgotten? I mean, I don't mean to be knit-picky, just, as a theology, it doesn't seem consistent to me.
It seems to me that this whole contractual way of living with God day to day flies in the face of His grace, and how He tells me He intends for me to live.
Do I agree with the verse? Or it's application to the redeemed? This is God's commandment given to those who were under the Law. We are not. And such an interpretations conflicts with a great many passages.Of course! That is what Matthew 6:14-15 says. Do you agree with that verse or not?
Then I'm certain you realize that we are in fact works in progress, even in regards to our understanding and recognition of sin. Things which weren't an issue to me in my life last year or last month are today, as I find new areas of life to be overcome.There are some trespasses against me that I don't know about, and some by spiritually immature that have just shed off me like water on a duck's back. Those are instantly forgiven. It is the ones that have affected me that I consciously need to forgive, and some of them are hard, especially when it is by a born again Christian. This is new to me as this part of the law of love has just recently become alive in me, especially the part in Matthew 5 that is really new.
Actually that's not really what I was saying. But I do appreciate your desire to not get into discussions which don't serve to help. So I'll leave off here. You know where to find me.No, it IS God's Grace that makes me obey Him. Grace is the power of God, not a get out of jail free card.
Do I agree with the verse? Or it's application to the redeemed? This is God's commandment given to those who were under the Law. We are not. And such an interpretations conflicts with a great many passages.
Then I'm certain you realize that we are in fact works in progress, even in regards to our understanding and recognition of sin.
All I could find in my web search is a book to buy....is this what you are referring to?Please visit “ Jesus Without Religion” to see the best explanation of 1Cor 6:9 that you will ever see.....