The Gospel Plus Nothing

[brightfame52]

If Jesus is the savior of the whole world, John 3:17. Then that means that salvation is available to everyone, Hebrews 2:9. Why is it that you cannot believe that?

But you say Christ Death only made salvation available, thats saying His death saved no one !

 

[Robert Pate]

But you say Christ Death only made salvation available, thats saying His death saved no one !

The Bible says that Jesus is the savior of the whole world, John 3:17. This means that, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13. Calling on the Lord to save you is an act of faith. Which means that we are saved by grace through faith, Ephesians 2:8.

 

[brightfame52]

The Bible says that Jesus is the savior of the whole world, John 3:17. This means that, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13. Calling on the Lord to save you is an act of faith. Which means that we are saved by grace through faith, Ephesians 2:8.

But you say Christ Death only made salvation available, that's saying His death saved no one !

 

[brightfame52]

The Bible says that Jesus is the savior of the whole world, John 3:17. This means that, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13. Calling on the Lord to save you is an act of faith. Which means that we are saved by grace through faith, Ephesians 2:8.

Tell us:

What exactly did Christ's death accomplish?

 

[Robert Pate]

Tell us:

What exactly did Christ's death accomplish?

You claim to be a Christian and you don't know what Christ death accomplished?

When Jesus died on the cross all of humanity spiritually died with him, because our humanity was constituted in him, Romans 5:6-21. When Jesus walked out of Joseph's new tomb our new humanity walked out with him. All that believe and have faith are new creations in Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:17. All of humanity has been reconciled unto God by the life, death and resurrection of Jesus, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. But nothing is ours until it is received by faith. Would you like to believe and have faith in Jesus?

 

[brightfame52]

You claim to be a Christian and you don't know what Christ death accomplished?

When Jesus died on the cross all of humanity spiritually died with him, because our humanity was constituted in him, Romans 5:6-21. When Jesus walked out of Joseph's new tomb our new humanity walked out with him. All that believe and have faith are new creations in Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:17. All of humanity has been reconciled unto God by the life, death and resurrection of Jesus, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. But nothing is ours until it is received by faith. Would you like to believe and have faith in Jesus?

So why you believe Christ death didnt save anyone ? Thats not the testiminy of a Christian, far from it.

 

[Robert Pate]

So why you believe Christ death didnt save anyone ? Thats not the testiminy of a Christian, far from it.

So why you believe Christ death didnt save anyone ? Thats not the testiminy of a Christian, far from it.

When I say that Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world and is the savior of the whole world, John 3:17. What is it that you are hearing?

 

[brightfame52]

When I say that Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world and is the savior of the whole world, John 3:17. What is it that you are hearing?

But you say Christs death saved no one, that denies the atonement.. Here is your song Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast made redemption available us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[BlessedPeace]

If it is the Gospel plus something, then it is no longer the Gospel.

Only about 10% of professing Christians know and understand the Gospel, maybe that is why Jesus said, "Few there be that find it" Matthew 7:14. What most have found is religion. Religion is man's preoccupation with his own spirituality, which is himself. The historical Gospel of Jesus Christ is not about us, it is about Jesus Christ. His life, His death, His Resurrection, His position in heaven. We are not the instigators of the Gospel; we are the benefactors of the Gospel. The word "Gospel" means good news. It is good news for sinners, but it is bad news for the self-righteous, religious.

In the Gospel God clothes himself in human flesh and becomes one with us, but not one of us. His mission is to come into the world to defeat sin, death and the devil so that whosoever believes in him can be saved, John 3:17. He didn't come into the world to show us the way, he was the way, John 14:6. Jesus was not only God with us, Jesus was also God for us. By his righteous sinless life, he fulfills all of the demands of God's Holy Law. He does this in our name and on our behalf, just like we did it ourselves. This is why Paul wrote, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes" Romans 10:4. Jesus not only fulfilled the law for us, but he also abolished the law for us, Ephesians 2:15.

Christians don't need laws, rules or religion, we are complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10. If you need laws, rules and religion it may be that you do not possess the Holy Spirit, who is the Christians guide and keeper, John 16:13. If we are complete in Christ then who needs religion? Christ and Christ alone is the Christians righteousness. We rest in him, Hebrews 4:10.

The Pharisees said that the Torah was "The way, the truth and the life and was the light that lightens every man" John took what the Jews said about the Torah and applied it to Jesus, John 14:6. Many have made laws, rules and religion their Jesus. This is very sad because they don't really know him. We cannot really know him until we accept him and his Gospel. In the Gospel we have been justified, sanctified and redeemed, 1 Corinthians 1:30 and now stand before God's Holy Court as perfect and complete in him, Colossians 2:10.

What books are considered the Gospel of Jesus?

 

[brightfame52]

When I say that Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world and is the savior of the whole world, John 3:17. What is it that you are hearing?

Christs death was a ransom for many Matt 20:28

28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Now the ransom includes redemption, and it being paid:

The nature of a ransom is such that when paid and accepted it automatically frees the persons for whom it was intended. Otherwise it would not be a true ransom. Justice demands that those for whom it is paid shall be freed from any further obligation. If the suffering and death of Christ was a ransom for all men rather than for the elect only, then the merits of His work must be communicated to all alike and the penalty of eternal punishment cannot be justly inflicted on any God would be unjust if He demanded this extreme penalty twice over, first from the substitute and then from the persons themselves.

 

[Robert Pate]

Christs death was a ransom for many Matt 20:28

28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Now the ransom includes redemption, and it being paid:

The nature of a ransom is such that when paid and accepted it automatically frees the persons for whom it was intended. Otherwise it would not be a true ransom. Justice demands that those for whom it is paid shall be freed from any further obligation. If the suffering and death of Christ was a ransom for all men rather than for the elect only, then the merits of His work must be communicated to all alike and the penalty of eternal punishment cannot be justly inflicted on any God would be unjust if He demanded this extreme penalty twice over, first from the substitute and then from the persons themselves.

The many is the whole world, Matthew 20:28,

"God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son" John 3:16.

Salvation is a free gift from God, Ephesians 2:8. If you reject God's great free gift that has been provided for you, you will rightfully perish.

 

[brightfame52]

The many is the whole world, Matthew 20:28,

"God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son" John 3:16.

Salvation is a free gift from God, Ephesians 2:8. If you reject God's great free gift that has been provided for you, you will rightfully perish.

The Gospel proclaims that Christs death was a ransom, and paid the price to redeem them He died for from all iniquity, it defeated sin, the devil, the flesh Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

You say that Christ merely made redemption from iniquity available. Thats a denial of the Gospel.

 

[Robert Pate]

The Gospel proclaims that Christs death was a ransom, and paid the price to redeem them He died for from all iniquity, it defeated sin, the devil, the flesh Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

You say that Christ merely made redemption from iniquity available. Thats a denial of the Gospel.

You are still in denial of John 3:16. Have you ever called upon Christ to save you?

 

[GRACE ambassador]

What books are considered the Gospel of Jesus?

Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome to the Board.

Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified In The
Lord Jesus Christ And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
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Grace, Peace, Mercy And Love

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[Robert Pate]

Blessed peace asked which books are considered to be the Gospel of Jesus.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ can be found in Paul's epistles. Romans, 1st and 2nd Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, all of Paul's epistles contain the Gospel.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome to the Board.

Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified In The
Lord Jesus Christ And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided ( I and II ). PG rated "Approved" *

Grace, Peace, Mercy And Love

* PG = Perfect God / Parental Guidance

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Thank you.

 

[brightfame52]

You are still in denial of John 3:16. Have you ever called upon Christ to save you?

You in denial of the Gospel, teaching that Christs death saved nobody, but made it possible.

 

[brightfame52]

Blessed peace asked which books are considered to be the Gospel of Jesus.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ can be found in Paul's epistles. Romans, 1st and 2nd Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, all of Paul's epistles contain the Gospel.

Not none of them teach as you that Christs death saved no one, but made salvation possible. Show us where Paul taught that please.

 

[Robert Pate]

Not none of them teach as you that Christs death saved no one, but made salvation possible. Show us where Paul taught that please.

I have never said that Christs death saved no one.

What I have said is that Jesus is the savior of the whole world, John 3:17. Jesus in our name and on our behalf, has fulfilled all of the demands of God's Holy Law. So that now, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those that believe" Romans 10:4.

Jesus in our name and on our behalf, has atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

If you don't believe in these things and trust in them, you will perish.

 

[brightfame52]

@Robert Pate

I have never said that Christs death saved no one.

Not verbally, however you say Christs death only made salvation available, falling short of saying Christs death saved them He died for. Also you teach that people Jesus Christ died for, died for their sins, shall yet die in their sins in unbelief. So that means Christs death for them, in and of itself did nothing to save them. Also its Blasphemy