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I hope you do not steal, and I hope that you aren't a drunkard. It is not evidence of faith. If a Christian steals, it is unfortunate, but he is still a Christian. Same thing if he is a drunkard.our fleshly actions are evidence of our faith.if i quit stealing that is evidence,if i'm not a drunkerd no more that is evidence of faith but if i continue in sin i have no evidence that i have decided to follow JESUS. my works are putting my inward man in subjection to the word of GOD and it shows up in the outward man. B)
Fine.... It still doesn't have anything to do with the flesh. Grow in faith, yes. But it has nothing to our flesh, and our fleshly actions are not evidence of our faith. We may have them, but they don't do anything for faith.
What you have done is taken scripture out of context. Please look that up and see what it's talking about.out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks or out of the abundance of the heart the body acts. :mellow: the heart is the rutter and the flesh is the ship the heart must have faith ih GOD to keep his ship on course
You say that salvation has nothing to do with our "flesh." This is a gnostic concept. The Apostle John would disagree.
You also claim that our actions are not in any way evidence of our faith. James would disagree.
FHII read between the lines
It is evidence of God's miracle working power in our lives. This calls for obedience. If a believer sins, he is accountable before God for that sin unless he repents from his heart. However:
Hebrews 10
[sup]26[/sup] If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, [sup]27[/sup] but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. [sup]28[/sup] Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. [sup]29[/sup] How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? [sup]30[/sup] For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” [sup]31[/sup] It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Shalom!
sogj, on 30 October 2011 - 07:12 AM, said:
our fleshly actions are evidence of our faith.if i quit stealing that is evidence,if i'm not a drunkerd no more that is evidence of faith but if i continue in sin i have no evidence that i have decided to follow JESUS. my works are putting my inward man in subjection to the word of GOD and it shows up in the outward man. B)
I hope you do not steal, and I hope that you aren't a drunkard. It is not evidence of faith. If a Christian steals, it is unfortunate, but he is still a Christian. Same thing if he is a drunkard.
If you continue in sin, you have no evidence to whom? Man? God does not look at the flesh, nor the things it does, but upon the heart.
It is evidence of God's miracle working power in our lives. This calls for obedience. If a believer sins, he is accountable before God for that sin unless he repents from his heart. However:
Hebrews 10
[sup]26[/sup] If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, [sup]27[/sup] but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. [sup]28[/sup] Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. [sup]29[/sup] How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? [sup]30[/sup] For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” [sup]31[/sup] It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Shalom!
James might disagree (as he was still one to mix works with grace), but John doesn't disagree and neither does Paul.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
We don't commit sin, because his seed is in us, and we can't sin. Why? because we are born of God. God doesn't even look at the sins of the flesh. They have been covered. John says don't sin, but if we do we have an advocate with the father. There is no division of sins of the flesh, by the way.
No, James' message was right on to the 12 scattered tribes.I see, so James is in error? Are you saying his epistle is not canonical?
Also, John says that those born of God do not practice sin, he doesn't say that we don't sin.
was the code word read? h34r:
No, James' message was right on to the 12 scattered tribes.
As for John, here it is again:
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Given freely to those who repent and believe... Like the talent, and we all know what that means!Grace is a free gift. Not one that must be paid for... Not by us, anyway.
quoting...
"ByGrace", on 29 October 2011 - 10:45 AM, said:
"The Gospel" = ANYTHING WHICH IS "GOOD NEWS! "
quoting Prentis.
By definition, but the gospel of Christ is only good news for the new man, to the old man it means curcifixion.
After all, the false prophets are accused of saying 'peace, peace' when there is no peace.
Are we able to discern that the same pattern has come to pass today?
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Prentis I have to say I have never seen you with the lack of an answer! haha!
I must say " your good". I may not always agree with you, but I admire your zeal
Blessings...H
No, James' message was right on to the 12 scattered tribes.