The Hell Doctrine - No doctrinal unity

[Meditation]

Dead in sin - spiriturally disconnected from God
Dead physically - soul disconnected from body
Resurrected - soul reconnected to restored body

This is the Biblical usage.

Much love!

How does that match with scripture?

Gen 2:7- And the Lord [Jehovah taken out] God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul ["nephesh"].

Most translations play their word games with this translating soul/nephesh with "living being"...

 

[Meditation]

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Laugh while you can. You won't be laughing on Judgment Day! I guarantee it.

That's what I'm doing!
I realize the the Loving Trinity will keep me alive for all Eternity, so my eyes will boil, my skin wears off- but regenerates itself,, etc.
I wonder if we'll have breaks!

 

[St. SteVen]

I believe church people (if allowed by law)- would take their enemies and keep them living as long as possible to torture....

Seems that's what happened when it WAS allowed by law.
Stands to reason then.

 

[marks]

How does that match with scripture?

Do the word study and you'll see it for yourself. You won't hear it from me, you'll need to find out on your own. There is one meaning that fits "death" throughout the Bible, and it isn't "cessation of existence". Nor is it "complete inactivity".

Much love!

 

[marks]

How does that match with scripture?

Gen 2:7- And the Lord [Jehovah taken out] God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul ["nephesh"].

Most translations play their word games with this translating soul/nephesh with "living being"...

Why do you call Him Jehovah? That was not the name that was replaced by "LORD".

Are you aware of the history of that name, and how it is not God's Name revealed in the Bible. I'm curious, are you one of "Jehovah's Witnesses"? Just wondering, based on some things you've said.

Much love!

 

[Jack]

That's what I'm doing!
I realize the the Loving Trinity will keep me alive for all Eternity, so my eyes will boil, my skin wears off- but regenerates itself,, etc.
I wonder if we'll have breaks!

No breaks.

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Would you happen to be related to wrecked?

 

[Meditation]

No breaks.

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Would you happen to be related to wrecked?

Not even coffee????

 

[Jack]

Not even coffee????

No, but LOTS of company, Satan, evil angels, the worst humans who ever lived, "forever and ever" with no parole.

 

[Meditation]

No, but LOTS of company, Satan, evil angels, the worst humans who ever lived, "forever and ever" with no parole.

So, billions of men women and children, plus billions of demons kept alive for the Torturing Trinity, eh?

 

[Jack]

So, billions of men women and children, plus billions of demons kept alive for the Torturing Trinity, eh?

No children, but BILLIONS of others! If you had believed the NT you wouldn't have fallen for Satan's deception!

 

[Meditation]

No children, but BILLIONS of others! If you had believed the NT you wouldn't have fallen for Satan's trap!

Why not children? Is the Triune Gods partial?
What age do They cut off from being a child?

 

[Jack]

Why not children? Is the Triune Gods partial?

Very ignorant question! You don't know why children don't go to Hell? Wow!

What age do They cut off from being a child?

And another! Are you related to 'wrecked'?

 

[Brakelite]

No, but LOTS of company, Satan, evil angels, the worst humans who ever lived, "forever and ever" with no parole.

And some of the best humans who ever lived, but who never heard of Jesus right? Suffering the same as the worst humans. But that's justice right?

 

[Brakelite]

It quite frankly scares me to think there are Christians who believe that the character of God that they think scripture says to emulate, purposes to torture people forever. That gives me no hope whatsoever in being shown any mercyby Christians who disagree with my theology... They will not hesitate to burn me at the stake for the same reason priests did to our forbears not that long ago. They also thought they were demonstrating the image of Christ.

 

[MatthewG]

@Brakelite,

It's good to know about what James wrote "Mercy triumps over justice", while I may not agree with what people may believe, mercy and love and encouragement to continue and pray and seek after the Lord God, can always be given to any and all, even unbelievers.

All hope to the Glory of God, and his purposes that are for his purpose and ways and not our own,
Matthew

 

[Johann]

So, billions of men women and children, plus billions of demons kept alive for the Torturing Trinity, eh?

Eh?
No wonder the topic of the Triune Godhead is closed-and now the doctrine on "everlasting hell-fire"
You guys don't use Scriptures-but pontificate and philosophize-making a appeal to emotions-not what stands written.

 

[Jack]

And some of the best humans who ever lived, but who never heard of Jesus right? Suffering the same as the worst humans. But that's justice right?

You really shouldn't accuse God of the Bible of being unjust.

Romans 1
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

 

[Brakelite]

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

In other words you have no answer except to parrot scriptures that don't mean what you want them to. You aren't listening to scripture, and you're not listening to us. Death Jack. DEATH. THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH. Jesus died Jack. He died!
He took our punishment upon Himself... But He is not burning in any eternal fire is He Jack.
And we partake of that death in baptism. And we are resurrected in Him as we are raised from the water. Nothing about eternal torment in any of that. And baptism is all about Christ's death and resurrection, about Him accepting our wages. Paying the price.

 

[Jack]

In other words you have no answer except to parrot scriptures that don't mean what you want them to.

Yeah, I parrot Scriptures. Who are you parroting? Your opinions?

You aren't listening to scripture, and you're not listening to us. Death Jack. DEATH. THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH.

Already proved with Scripture that 'death' does not mean people 'cease to exist'. BILLIONS will certainly wish they ceased to exist.

Matthew 13
41 "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Jesus died Jack. He died!
He took our punishment upon Himself... But He is not burning in any eternal fire is He Jack.

Jesus wasn't a sinner. We are. FYI, Jesus was God in the flesh and totally sinless.

And we partake of that death in baptism. And we are resurrected in Him as we are raised from the water. Nothing about eternal torment in any of that. And baptism is all about Christ's death and resurrection, about Him accepting our wages. Paying the price.

You won't get by with chopping 'the everlasting fire' out of our Christian Bible. You will pay dearly, maybe eternally.

Revelation 22
19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

I.E.
Mt 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[Johann]

In other words you have no answer except to parrot scriptures that don't mean what you want them to. You aren't listening to scripture, and you're not listening to us. Death Jack. DEATH. THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH. Jesus died Jack. He died!
He took our punishment upon Himself... But He is not burning in any eternal fire is He Jack.
And we partake of that death in baptism. And we are resurrected in Him as we are raised from the water. Nothing about eternal torment in any of that. And baptism is all about Christ's death and resurrection, about Him accepting our wages. Paying the price.

Forgetting one thing brother-the wrath of God.
Rom_1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Rom_2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Rom_2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

Rom_4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Rom_5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Rom_9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Rom_12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Rom_13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Rom_13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

Gal_5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Eph_2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Eph_4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

Eph_4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

Eph_5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Eph_6:4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

Col_3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

Col_3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

1Th_1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

1Th_2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

1Th_5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

1Ti_2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

Heb_3:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

Heb_4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb_11:27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

Jas_1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:

Jas_1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

Rev_6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

Rev_6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Rev_11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Rev_12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev_14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

Rev_14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Rev_14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Rev_15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Rev_15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.

Rev_16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

Rev_16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

Rev_18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

Rev_19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

You cannot separate the Love of God with His wrath.
Only two camps-those who are His-and those who are not.