I understand your error very well.StanJ said:not surprised you don't understand what the hypostatic union is
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I understand your error very well.StanJ said:not surprised you don't understand what the hypostatic union is
No one is saying to 'only' read the Bible. But you deny the Bible is the Word of God.mjrhealth said:Prove it is, show me a bunch of christians walking in truth who only read teh bible, if teh bible was Gods word why are you not walking in teh truth even Christ, according to teh bible says,
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Now according to the bible
Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
now according to Jesus teh scripures do not bring you life so if they cannot than how can it be Gods word, for Gods word is Life, but the devil keeps peoples heads in it and away from Jesus and
2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
again as it says
1Jn_2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
as I said before, revelation only comes from God, you will not get it reading the bible or going to church or studying
Mat_11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
You want the truth it is in Jesus when you are willing to give Him a go.
Eph_4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
Stranger pretty much covered most of what I would say. John 5:39 point to Jesud and TESTIFY of him. It is God's testimony or his testament. When people pass away they have a last will and TESTAMENT. It is their will, their instructions and their word on what should be done.mjrhealth said:Prove it is, show me a bunch of christians walking in truth who only read teh bible, if teh bible was Gods word why are you not walking in teh truth even Christ, according to teh bible says,
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Now according to the bible
Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
now according to Jesus teh scripures do not bring you life so if they cannot than how can it be Gods word, for Gods word is Life, but the devil keeps peoples heads in it and away from Jesus and
2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
again as it says
1Jn_2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
as I said before, revelation only comes from God, you will not get it reading the bible or going to church or studying
Mat_11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
You want the truth it is in Jesus when you are willing to give Him a go.
Eph_4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
se you just answered yourselfThat answer should be obvious. He's going to do it through a preacher who is backed by the Bible. Historically that is how God did it. He sent Paul to the Ephesians and Paul -- yes, he did get his sermons directly from God, but he also used the OT -- was their teacher.
not the ones in the bible, it the "word that He speaks", whe HE speaks to us that seed teh Holy Spirit that is planted in us grows because His voice brings life to us.. Yes Jesus's words are spirit and life. Now where can we find them? The same place you found that verse.
Reading in part is wrong. I said Paul got his sermons from God. That's all you quoted. You didn't bother to address the rest of what I said. Besides... You are not Paul. God chose him as a messenger. As far as I know he didn't choose you for that same roll. If hedid, prove it. Paul proved ot to the Bereams, but you deny the source they used.mjrhealth said:se you just answered yourself
yes, he did get his sermons directly from God
and that is how it is supposed to be the rest is pure assumption mans part, making things to be as they are not, we are all given teh same spirirt we can all be atught by God,
not the ones in the bible, it the "word that He speaks", whe HE speaks to us that seed teh Holy Spirit that is planted in us grows because His voice brings life to us
Rev_7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Thats whay Jesus refferd to Himself as teh living bread and asked we eat of Him, Jesus is there for everyone just waiting to teach anyone who is willing to listen, but as He says
Mat_15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
and why the foolish virgins had no oil,
and you have just turned christianity into a religion like all the other religions. We serve the Living God, He is not made of wood, nor is He a character out of a story book, What Jesus did on that crosss, and with God coming "out" of the Holy of Hollies has given us is far more than then you will ever be taught, You have a choice to serve Him or be religious, be a child of God or just a side line viwer. God is an adventure, but far to many christians would rather read teh story book than be a part of it. Everyone who has come to Christ has acces to God, "EVERYONE", but as Jesus told a friend of mine when she asked why he speaks to her, His answer was;" I speak all teh time, its just tha tvery few will listen" , and that is why verey few find that narrow path that leads to life, they wont listen.Reading in part is wrong. I said Paul got his sermons from God. That's all you quoted. You didn't bother to address the rest of what I said. Besides... You are not Paul. God chose him as a messenger. As far as I know he didn't choose you for that same roll. If hedid, prove it. Paul proved ot to the Bereams, but you deny the source they used.
mjrhealth said:and you have just turned christianity into a religion like all the other religions. We serve the Living God, He is not made of wood, nor is He a character out of a story book, What Jesus did on that crosss, and with God coming "out" of the Holy of Hollies has given us is far more than then you will ever be taught, You have a choice to serve Him or be religious, be a child of God or just a side line viwer. God is an adventure, but far to many christians would rather read teh story book than be a part of it. Everyone who has come to Christ has acces to God, "EVERYONE", but as Jesus told a friend of mine when she asked why he speaks to her, His answer was;" I speak all teh time, its just tha tvery few will listen" , and that is why verey few find that narrow path that leads to life, they wont listen.
Joh_10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh_10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
when you find the time to give Him a go, your outlook on being a christian will change.
Again, why are you using Scripture?mjrhealth said:and you have just turned christianity into a religion like all the other religions. We serve the Living God, He is not made of wood, nor is He a character out of a story book, What Jesus did on that crosss, and with God coming "out" of the Holy of Hollies has given us is far more than then you will ever be taught, You have a choice to serve Him or be religious, be a child of God or just a side line viwer. God is an adventure, but far to many christians would rather read teh story book than be a part of it. Everyone who has come to Christ has acces to God, "EVERYONE", but as Jesus told a friend of mine when she asked why he speaks to her, His answer was;" I speak all teh time, its just tha tvery few will listen" , and that is why verey few find that narrow path that leads to life, they wont listen.
Joh_10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh_10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
when you find the time to give Him a go, your outlook on being a christian will change.
Stranger said:Again, why are you using Scripture?
Christians know these Scriptures as the Word of God. Why are you using them?
Stranger
you wont lisetn to God you wont listen to Jesus you neglect the Holy Spirit ,you made the bible your God, what else is there too use, thats why few who know Him will tel lchristians about teh living Jesus because most just mock them.Again, why are you using Scripture?
Christians know these Scriptures as the Word of God. Why are you using them?
if the bible is Gods word than what are you and Stan arguing about, If it is His word it would all be truth and there would be nothing to contend with?? it really isnt so hard.If anyone on this board still believes that Jesus is God and that the Bible is God"s Word... I will talk to you.
How do you know I won't listen to God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit? Just because I believe the Bible is the Word of God? You don't know my relationship with Christ.mjrhealth said:you wont lisetn to God you wont listen to Jesus you neglect the Holy Spirit ,you made the bible your God, what else is there too use, thats why few who know Him will tel lchristians about teh living Jesus because most just mock them.
Yet it is you who are missing out on the best God has to offer
And this is a really nice epilogue. I don't argue with stan about anything as he has been on my ignore list for quite some time.mjrhealth said:if the bible is Gods word than what are you and Stan arguing about, If it is His word it would all be truth and there would be nothing to contend with?? it really isnt so hard.
Argument and debate go on about the Bible because we are not God. Our learning the Bible has nothing to do with the Bible 'being' the Word of God. But you come to the Bible believing it is not the Word of God.mjrhealth said:if the bible is Gods word than what are you and Stan arguing about, If it is His word it would all be truth and there would be nothing to contend with?? it really isnt so hard.
Yes, I believe that Jesus is God, the Second Person of the Trinity. And that the Bible is the Word of God.FHII said:And this is a really nice epilogue. I don't argue with stan about anything as he has been on my ignore list for quite some time.
It shows me something though... It shows me you haven't been reading carefully. Maybe you should. Maybe then you would see the Bible which is the Word of God, in a different light.
I'm running out of folks to talk to on this board.... Is there anyone who believes Jesus is God and the Bible is really his Word?
see you got it backwards, I met Christ long time before i read teh bible, and im not teh only one. and that is why I know it is not nor can it be, Just becuae it says something from God does not make it al lGod, it doesnt even make that claim, and it keeps you from Him, You wont ask him because you may be found to be wrong. He is always right wwe are always wrong.It shows me something though... It shows me you haven't been reading carefully. Maybe you should. Maybe then you would see the Bible which is the Word of God, in a different light.
Hold on. How can the Bible say something from God and not be the Word of God?mjrhealth said:see you got it backwards, I met Christ long time before i read teh bible, and im not teh only one. and that is why I know it is not nor can it be, Just becuae it says something from God does not make it al lGod, it doesnt even make that claim, and it keeps you from Him, You wont ask him because you may be found to be wrong. He is always right wwe are always wrong.
See you have put God into a box "if you have not read teh bible you cant know Christ". mens reasoing. Saul discovered Christ after Chrits death, Jesus appeeared to many after His resurection and stil lis today. It is not God that is liming God to a book, its makind, taking away His power and Authority, He who created teh heavens and the earth but cant save man without a book, how demeaning it is to our creator sp glad He is patient with men.How does the Bible keep you from Christ when the Bible is how your learned of Christ?
You say that Yet Christ says it is not, His words are Spirit they are Life , teh bible is teh dead letter, read it, Christ says it cant give you life so it cannot be Gods word. One word from God in a book does not make the whole book Gods word, unless you plan on calling God a deciver and a liar, a bit like having a tank full of fish and the first one you see is a salmon so you say " i have a tank full of salmon, yet in that tank are carp, Godlfish and troutAnd the Bible does claim to be the Word of God as has been told you many times already.